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    • Beau-the-bunbun
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        Hi everyone!

        I know there are many Q&A’s about bunny poop… but I have researched and researched and have not found anyone with a similar situation. Looking for some advice please!

        So I found a lovely breeder and bought my baby bunny from her. Bunny was just 5 weeks old and a very sweet boy. He was a very calm bunny from day one and was not very active. I would hold him and put him on my lap and he would just rest. When he first got home, he had some normal poops. After about 2-3 days, I noticed that his poops were soft, dark and wet and some had that “grape like” look. I started to research and obviously became concerned. The next day, diarrhea. I called the breeder who told me unfortunately at their age it can happen and he may die within 12-48 hours. I was advised to provide him with some pepto which I did, but it did not help. At first, I noticed he was still eating, then after a while, had stopped. I called the vet who said they would do X-rays etc to find out what was wrong and was given a quote of about $300-$400 or more depending on what they would do… I was also told the likeliness of survival rate was low as this can be very stressful for the young baby. Anyway, after 2 full days of cleaning poor baby’s bum, the cage, force feeding him some water through syringe and then mashed up pellets, it all proved unsuccessful. His last night alive, I slept by his side waking every couple hours to make sure he got some food and water. His last “feeding”, he would no longer attempt to chew or swallow, he had given up. My next alarm, he was dead.

        Obviously I was devasted and heart broken. I called the breeder who was very nice and apologetic and offered to replace him. She advised that she still had one of his brothers available and that I could have him.

        I was terrified about having a new bunny as I could not go through that pain again. A couple days later, I decided to take her up on the offer and picked up my new baby boy.

        The energy level right off that bat was significantly higher and that made me happy. When we approached his cage at the breeders house he ran up to us and seemed happy. (We as in my husband and I). So we took the baby home and set him up in his new home. (Ps yes I cleaned and disinfected absolutely everything and threw out anything his brother had touched to avoid contamination if god forbid it was something contagious.)

        Anyway, last night, obviously the poor little guy is stressed as he is in a new place and disoriented. So I provided him with all the essentials and gave him his space. Oh, I should mention that at the breeder he only had pellets and no hay. I gave him Timothy hay and right away he seemed to enjoy it and has been eating a lot since along with the pellets that I bought from the breeder so it’s his exact same food. He had normal poops last night and then again this morning when I woke up mostly all normal. Then, when I moved his blanket, it noticed the softer, darker, wet poops around him. He has had another “round” of poops since I cleaned his cage and again the same thing. I am so scared, I can NOT go through that again.. is this normal? Is it because he is stressed? Is it because he never had hay and now he is? What should I do? Please help…

        Ps. Sorry for the very long message… really hoping for advice. Thank you SO much in advance.

        Pss. Bunny is a holland lop, and 6 weeks today.
        Alex


      • Bam
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          I’m very sorry you lost your bunny.

          Sometimes young bunnies have a microparasite called coccidia. It gets worse with stress (for example the stress of getting a new home) and often results in diarrhea. If you call a vet now, when this has just started and the bun is still in good shape, treatment is much more likely to be successful and doesn’t have to be super-expensive. Tell them what happened with your first bun. Chances are they’ll prescribe Albon and fluids. Albon is an antibiotic that kills the coccidia parasites.

          A very young bun gets dehydrated quickly, and they are obviously very frail. They can also get cold, so try to keep your bun warm, for example by wrapping him in a blanket and sitting him in your lap while you call the vet. Do you see any normal round poop as well as the smeary ones? This is important because it makes a huge difference for the diagnosis. Some smeary poop + normal poop is ok, but smeary, runny, watery or mucosy poop without any round normal poop is an emergency.


        • Beau-the-bunbun
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            Thank you so much for your quick reply Bam! And thank you for the condolences.. I didn’t have him very long but got very attached and it was hard to see him suffer..

            I’ll give the vet a call right away then! As for the poop, this morning there was a mix of the healthy ones (ALOT of the healthy ones lol) as well as the scary ones. His next movement was all the darker, mushy ones and he hasn’t had more since other than pee. So I will keep checking on him/the poop very often.

            Again, thank you so much for the help. I appreciate it. I can’t lose this guy nor do I want him to suffer.


          • Beau-the-bunbun
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              Just an update – I went to check on Beau and he had normal droppings!!! The nice normal round kind and none of the wet ones. I don’t think I’ve ever been so happy to see poop.. lol.

              This is a good thing right? Should I still be concerned he has coccidia? I’m worried a trip to the vet will make him very stressed if he doesn’t need it. The vets always say to take them in as a precaution but… not always the best if it stresses him right?
              Thanks again!


            • 12345ABCDE
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                Not much else to add except I think the breeder is very irresponsible. Allowing buns to be re homed at just 5 weeks old? That isn’t right. And not feeding them hay, just pellets? So they get weaned from mum-bun early and then given pellets rather than hay. Terrible. I’m sorry for your loss but I really think you should report the breeder…


              • Beau-the-bunbun
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                  Thanks sarahthegemini. I was thinking that too… didn’t overly think of it much at first as I was so happy with him. But after what happened, and all my research, I realized it wasn’t right to take him so young and thought it was odd there was no hay too. His litter was so perfect and I was in love, I couldn’t help but take the offer on replacing him… but I am scared that’s for sure.
                  I will look into reporting the breeder.
                  Thanks again for any help given!


                • Fluffykins
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                    Gota agree about the breeder. Feeding no hay and letting babies go at 5 weeks is so irresponsible, it’s highly likely that kind of breedder would breed anything and everything ie poor genetics.

                    With poor genetics comes a very short and or low quality of life in the resulting offspring sadly.

                    Sorry if this was addressed and I missed it but are you sure the soft poops aren’t the normal cecotropes rabbits do?


                  • Beau-the-bunbun
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                      Thanks Fluffykins.
                      I agree about the breeder too.. just want to make sure this guy stays healthy.

                      As for the soft poops, I’m thinking/hoping it is the normal ones now. He has had many movements since my initial post and they have all been the good kind. It’s just with what happened with my first baby bun and considering this is his brother I got so scared it was happening again.

                      I really appreciate everyone who gave me advice and for the replies. Nice to know there are kind people out there willing to help!


                    • 12345ABCDE
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                        Of course you were scared. It’s totally understandable. I’m really glad your baby bun seems to be okay now! Alsp I don’t know if it was clear in my response above about the breeder being irresponsible but I just wanted to clarify that I in no way tried to put blame on you. Its all the responsibility of the breeder. Thank goodness you are a vigilant owner and quick to query anything that’s not quite right!


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                          Wow, clearly that breeder is just awful. Poor buns. Rabbits should not be separated from their mum before 8 weeks.

                          I noticed in your original post that you said the poops looked like grapes and appeared wet. And then said you found some of those same poops with the new bun. Rabbits do produce two kinds of poop: cecotropes and fecal poops. Cecotropes are wet, dark, and look like little clusters of grapes and they smush or smear easily. Your rabbit should be eating those- YES, EATING THEM. The reason they eat this type of poop again is to maximize nutrient absorption. So are you sure the droppings you are seeing from new bun aren’t cecotropes? It would make sense that you are seeing them because he was on a diet of strictly pellets, and that diet is too rich so they will over produce the cecotropes and not eat them all. Their diet should be mostly hay, unlimited amounts, with some pellets as a nutritional supplement since hay is mostly fiber.

                          Diarrhea is definitely a different scenario, and it sounds like it was a coccidia infection as bam suggested. But I’m just wondering if what you are seeing are cecotropes because I don’t want you to freak out about those, but you should know what they are because it can tell you about their diet since if you find them around you know that their diet is too rich. There is a “guide to bunny poop” on here that shows you what cecotropes look like, so you may want to go have a gander in the poop gallery LOL


                        • Fluffykins
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                            Yep exactly what I was thinking in my post above, description sounds like cecotropes.


                          • Beau-the-bunbun
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                              Aw you’re sweet. I knew what you meant but still felt bad. About the bun who passed to be clear. Was horrible. My new baby bun seems to be doing great and is showing all the signs of a healthy bun now so I feel much better.

                              Again, thank you sarahthegemini!


                            • Beau-the-bunbun
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                                Yeah 5 weeks was way too young… . This guy is a little over 6 weeks now which is still too young but I am going to do everything to keep him healthy!

                                I think you are right they were cecotropes. It just seemed like there were a lot and considering what happened last time I was so worried it was happening again. And like you said I freaked out haha. Also like you mentioned, his diet was too rich so he probably was overproducing. He has been enjoying the hay I constantly see him eating it which is good. There weren’t any of the wet poops in his cage this morning and all I have been seeing are the normal poops. So I think all is good!

                                I will go check out the poop gallery! Haha Thank you for your reply BunNoob!


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                                  your first experience sounds like an absolute nightmare! I can’t imagine bringing a little baby bun home and having them pass in my hands… but find consolation in the fact that it wasn’t anything you did! Glad to hear the new guy is doing well and eating hay, that’s great! If you have access to alfalfa hay try and see if you can get that. It’s more expensive than Timothy, but it’s great for growing buns and it might be extra important for him to get those nutrients to grow into a strong bunny since he should technically still be with his mummy!


                                • Deleted User
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                                    Fluffykins I didn’t see your post! I have a bad habit of reading just the original post and scrolling past most of the replies. Didn’t mean to steal your thunder!!


                                  • Beau-the-bunbun
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                                      Oh it was a nightmare that’s for sure… poor baby. Thanks for that, I kept trying to tell myself it wasn’t my fault.

                                      Thanks for the tip about the alfalfa hay BunNoob! I’m going to look into that right away.


                                    • alcyone
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                                        Just to add to the hay suggestion, Alfalfa is great for young buns, but remember to switch him back to Timothy around seven months old.
                                        I’m so sorry your first experience as a bunny parent was so terrible, but take pride in the fact that you did everything in your power to save that sweet boy, and know that what happened was absolutely not your fault. I’m glad you took his brother, it’s a shame he’s away from his mom so early but I’m glad he went to someone that cares so much for him. If you didn’t take him, the breeder would’ve just sold him to someone else, so I’m glad he’s in such great care.


                                      • Beau-the-bunbun
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                                          Good to know! I will mark my calendar to remember to switch him back.

                                          Thanks for the condolences and reassurance. Appreciate that.

                                          I’m happy I decided to take him too! He’s also such a sweet boy. And yes, you’re right, if I didn’t take him someone else just would have. I will make sure he is well taken care of!

                                          Thanks alcyone!!!


                                        • Azerane
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                                            I’m sorry for the loss of your bun. How is your little guy doing now?

                                            I just wanted to add regarding the alfalfa hay, that if he is on alfalfa pellets he doesn’t need alfalfa hay as well, sometimes it can be hard to switch them back to timothy if you get them on alfalfa, that’s all


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                                              Thank you Azerane.

                                              He is doing really well! Eating like a champ and seems very happy. He appears to be adjusting well and comes to see me for head pets when I approach his cage. He loves all his new toys and has been “binkying” a lot. Lol. I snuggle with him on the couch every night and he seems to enjoy it. Makes me really happy to see him this way considering what happened with the other baby and since he is so young.

                                              Thanks for the tip about the hay/pellets! He is on the Timothy hay now and has been eating lots of it so that’s good. He is still on the food from the breeder which is alfalfa based but someone on this site told me the fiber was too low so I will be switching him over to Oxbow starting tomorrow. Which from my research seems like a popular choice for bunny parents!


                                            • 12345ABCDE
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                                                Remember when switching foods to do it slowly so mix a little of the new pellets with the old then gradually increase the amount of new pellets every few days


                                              • Beau-the-bunbun
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                                                  Yes I’ll definitely make sure to do that! Thanks sarahthegemini!


                                                • OverthinkingBun
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                                                    Hope your little guy is doing well! The Oxbow pellets made for young rabbits have alfalfa, and were recommended to me by rabbit shelter people when I adopted a baby. You might try that one if you haven’t bought a bag yet. My bunny likes them. I think there’s different opinions about this, but I was told that alfalfa hay can be given in unlimited quantities for a young bunny along with unlimited alfalfa pellets, as long as he isn’t overweight (and my vet confirmed that this diet was appropriate).

                                                    (PS. It sounds like your first bunny was sick when you brought him home, not naturally super “calm”, so it sounds like you did everything that you could for him. Sorry that you went through that.)

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