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    • lolobuns
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        Hey everyone, I have two sister bonded bunnies I adopted who are almost a year old- Beanie and Bambi. I recently took in a neighbor’s four year old Holland Lop and I thought by how mellow he is, he could fit right in with the two more territorial females (mistake #1 lol). About a week into getting him(he had opened up to me, done a few binkies, and LOVED cheek rubs), I was ready to start bonding. So, in another bedroom of my house, I decided to start the bonding process and see how him and the smaller female would get along/react. The first and second scuffle was just fur flying everywhere and my dust pan was blocking most of the nips, but they both weren’t letting up- so I ended up removing the female(Bambi) After learning about bonding online and how rabbits can hold grudges pretty easily, I wanted to try and end the session on a better note, so I tried to put them together for the final time.

        Biggest mistake of my life. Both bunnies had bitten onto each other very hard, in less than two seconds. The male bunny ended up pulling himself (and probably flung as well) a good 10 feet to the other side of the room. I had my family member in the room put him back in the carrier, and I rushed the girl back to her enclosure and gave her a pat down to make sure she wasn’t hurt. Except for some fur still coming off, she was intact. But my name was being yelled back in the guest room and I ran back up there to see what had happened. My family member had put him into his carrier and was wiping blood of their hands. There was blood spattered in a line on the carpet and a couple large drops of red next to his carrier. My heart sunk.

        So, the bunny mom in me immediately took him in the kitchen and laid out a towel and got out paper towels, baby wipes, and corn starch (if there was any more bleeding). I unzipped the carrier and started examining him to see the damage. He had some little drops on his chest, his shoulder, his ear… I run my hand over his right ear and It was completely torn halfway up and to the side. I’ll see if I can attach an image although this is my first post.

        I clean off all the blood not on the open wound and see if it’s still bleeding- which thank goodness it isn’t. Except for the original blood, there wasn’t any arteries that I could see that were hit. I called the closest vet to me- after hours. I called my trusted vet- also after hours. Drove 20 miles to 24/7 animal clinic, and told me they couldn’t help me because they only see dogs and cats. Arrrghhhh!! All I wanted to do is help him. My family member and I decided that we’d clean it off last night, put neosporin on it (the original kind that’s good for bunnies) and go to our trusted vet right when they open as they accept walk ins.

        My poor little boy. I still haven’t even decided on a name yet.. He’s a purebred Holland Lop which the original owner got from a show bunny breeder (from his pedigree he has winners apparently.) I’m guessing they paid a lot for him because of that… poor guy still probably is in pain.

        Hopefully all goes well in 3 hours. We didn’t hve any superglue at the house, as someone online said to keep the ear intact you should do. He was an amazing little dude and sat still as I cleaned it up, I think he knew my true intentions and wasn’t trying to hurt him more. I even tried to wrap gauze around it, which he let me, but shook it off a couple minutes later (I don’t blame him either! Who wants something white and big tied up around your ear?) The tear by then had mostly dried, still pretty fresh though.

        I saw a post from like 2008 on here where a person’s bunny had a smaller tear and overgroomed it to be bigger. That’s why I tried to put the guaze on it, but once he shook it off he didn’t really prod at it anyway. So he slept in his cage in my room without having full run of his x pen, far away from the other girls.

        All in all, I didn’t realize bunnies could be vicious like this!! It was insane. I know my Bambi was just trying to protect herself- but DANG. You got him good girl. Will hopefully update on this thread later about what our vet recommended. Send prayers for my (not even named yet:/) boy!!


      • lolobuns
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          https://imgur.com/a/GLqii

          Here’s a picture of his ear. On the way to the vet now. Ahhh


        • Mikey
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            Rabbits will often try to fight to the death without proper bonding. Im not trying to scare you, but this incident is very small compared to what could have happened. Has the vet seen him yet? He might need stitches to ensure it heals properly. Good call on using plain neosporin until the vet can see him How is he acting now? Has he eaten, drank any water, and toileted? Does he seem terrified? Youll also want to watch out for signs of shock.

            You didnt mention if anyone was spayed or neutered. Rabbits who are not spayed/neutered cannot bond. All three of them need to be fixed, and around 2 months need to have passed before you can properly bond them. If only two are fixed and one is not, the fixed two will feed off of the unfixed rabbits hormonal smells and will act just as aggressively.


          • lolobuns
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              Both of the girls are spayed and the boy is neutered as well; the girls were spayed half a year ago and the boy more than 3 years ago. Last night right after the incident he probably had some minor shock, but after an hour-ish it was salad time and he ate a good amount of his salad with some enticing with a bit of a carrot. The veggies were freshly washed, so i know he got some water in his system from that if he didn’t drink any (his water dish was lower though, so he either drank some or stepped in it ) He has done lots of droppings, looking normal. He got some good pets this morning, whenever i got close to his wound he twitched his ear but didn’t run away. I feel so horrible for him still


            • Mikey
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                Ouch @ that picture! Any word from the vet yet?

                It is great to hear that he mostly bounced back to his normal self after some yummy greens

                Keep him completely away from your girl until he is healed up. Once he is healed up (or after a month, whichever is longer), move his cage next to your girls’ cage. Keep the cages about 10 inches apart so they can all see and sniff, but cannot reach to nip, claw, box, or bite. Keep them like this for about a week. This will help all bunnies slowly adjust into prebonding. After that week, start prebonding. Prebonding is when you swap all of their items (litter boxes, water and food dishes, toys, ect) once a day. Let them mark up the swapped items as much as they want. Clean every other day or every two days. You want them to swap their scents around to get used to sharing their territory. Youll want to do this swap until all three bunnies stop reacting to the swaps.

                I want to note, since youre already having issues this early, and you need to be aware of all possibilities: your girls might lose their bond. There are several possibilities that come from trying to bond a trio, with a single bun into an already bonded pair. To bond your male into them, you need to be aware and be prepared for any and all of the possible outcomes.

                1) Trio; All three bond together after prebonding, bonding, and stress bonding.
                >> Do you have a cage and/or cage and pen big enough for all three of them to share when they cant free roam? One bun needs 18 square feet when caged, three bunnies, depending on their sizes, could need up to 3x that. If theyre going to all be caged for more than 8 hours a day, no matter what their size is, they will need about 54+ square feet to get proper exercise, and will need hidey spots inside of that so any who dont want to play dont have do be bothered when the other(s) are playing.

                2) 1 pair, 1 single; Your girls reject your male and you end up with your bonded females and your single male.
                >> You already have this set up; could you live with it for the rest of their future?

                3) 1 pair, 1 single; Your girls lose their bond, but one of your girls bonds to your male. You end up with one male/female bond, and one single female.
                >> You already have this set up, although it would be a bit different placement-wise; could you live with it for the rest of their future?

                4) 3 singles; Your girls lose their bond, refuse to rebond, and both girls refuse to bond with your male. You end up with 3 single bunnies.
                >> Do you have the space for three single bunnies who need their own cages, pens, toys, litter boxes, ect?


              • lolobuns
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                  The vet clinic took him in for the day and is going to let the vet look at him when he doesn’t have an appointment and then call me. No call yet. He (the bunny) accepted pets/love from the assistants very well though, and all the people who work there are huge animal lovers and I know he will get the best care.

                  I am actually going on a day road trip in about a week to a relatives’ house for a month, and the buns are coming with me, as I don’t know anyone well enough (or trust with a hurt bunny now) to care for them for that long, and they will have a whole basement bunny-proofed so they can have the same care as they do here. We are going to be in the car for 8 hours, and that will obviously be pretty stressful for all 3; and also a new area with different smells. When we are there, do I keep the bunnies within sight of each other (ex. across the room from each other,) or in total seperate rooms? How do you think this trip will help/hurt the bonding process? We are also moving into a completely new house once we get back( but in the same area as we are now) so two major location changes for us. Yikes. Any suggestions to help with all of that?

                  As you were saying, there are lots of different ways it could end up in the end with the three. As of right now i don’t have a third cage setup, but have two very spacious enclosures with room to play with hidey spaces for both parties. Once we get back from our trip I could make a third cage if that happens to them though.

                  Another thing I was thinking about is leaving the boy seperate, and in a couple months getting him a friend and leaving him seperate from my girls. The two girls are Rex buns, one 5 pounds ish, the other more 6.5 pounds (she can eat the nightly salad a lot faster than her sister. Lol.) The boy is under 4lbs, haven’t measured him yet. His actual body is half the size of the girls, but his fur makes him look a bit bigger. The size difference made me worry about bullying between the girls to him, but I really like having 3 buns and would love if they could all live harmoniously! Haha. He has never been around any rabbits in the 4 years of his life, except for his littermates when he was born. I know for sure I at least want to try to give him a friend or two. Do you think it would be better to try with the trio, or make two pairs later on (with the possibility of having a pair and two singles. I techincally COULD make that work, but keeping them all sane during playtime would be a stretch.)


                • lolobuns
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                    BIG NEWS LOL… Vet called, going to be a little costly. But they said HE was a GIRL. How can you neuter a female bunny?? And get that wrong for 3 years?? I am floored lol. I don’t even know if she is spayed. Now I am definitely keeping HER away from the other girls for a while, and i’m going to have to rethink all the names in my head… Yikes yikes yikes. Yikes yikes.


                  • vanessa
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                      Is try to keep the girls from seeing the newbie. They might all need a break after those fights… And then if follow Mikey”s advice.


                    • Mikey
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                        Try to keep them as out of sight as possible while on your trip. Usually car rides are good for stress bonding, but you would be taking much shorter car rides and would have someone in the back seat with the buns. Since you have neither, dont try to bond that way just yet. If you have your two girls in a carrier and your new little lady in her own carrier, you would need to keep them on opposite sides of the car, if possible. Your new girl will be healing and stressed from both being next to her attacker and from being in the long car ride. You dont want to add on more stress than you need, so if you can keep them out of sight even in the car ride, it will be better.

                        As for the move itself, expect some rebonding with your bonded pair for a few days/weeks. They might mark their new home a little extra and might get a little nippy or humpy with one another. If it gets to a point you feel the need to step in, try some in home stress bonding to remind them that they are friends. Keep the new bun out of sight for this, to avoid unneeded stress for the buns. Hopefully, though, the girls’ current bond wont tilt too much and will be fine enough for you to jump into prebonding soon after the move

                        You can totally do that too; have two separate pairs! It would remove the possibilities of your girls’ bond being ruined and will avoid a ton of stress for all three of them. Plus, if there are any shelters nearby, you could take your new girl for some speed dating so she can pick out her new friend, which will make bonding go so much quicker. If you feel this is the better route to take, go for it. There are a few members here with multiple happy pairs

                        Note: If you do still want to try to trio them, dont start prebonding until you get to your new home. Prebonding and then moving after will basically make the prebonding useless. Youll need to prebond and bond them in the home you will be settling in. Take this vacation time as a healing and calming time for the bunnies, regardless if you choose to try to trio them or not

                        Its so crazy that they did not know ‘he’ was really a she! Its common to mix up their sex at a young age, but you would think by age 3 they wouldve known, lol You might have to go for an ultrasound to see if she has ever been spayed or not. Some vets can feel for a scar as well, but depending on when(if) she was spayed, the scar might be very faded now and hard to feel for. Either way, I am glad you have a very understanding and helpful vet


                      • lolobuns
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                          They are going to sedate her tomorrow morning and suture her ear and send her home with me with some pain medication. Hefty vet bill- almost $300! Honestly though, I feel a lot better spending it on the bunnies than myself. Even though it has been a traumatic experience for her, I am humbled and thankful that I can help her and nurse her back to health.

                          I have a hardshell medium-sized carrier for the sisters, and a soft carrier held with a wired structure sort of thing for my hurt bun. Would it not be a good idea or could I just put her on top of theirs? Is that too close?

                          Also, I just got done talking to the vet again and they said they will double check to make sure she is spayed and everything. Surgery is tomorrow morning, or in 16ish hours. She is being well loved on and given hay and water. Updates soon!


                        • vanessa
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                            Top should b fine. U can’t prevent them from smelling Each other in a car ride, but at least they won’t b able to see each other.

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