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FORUM HOUSE RABBIT Q & A *UPDATE* Diarrhea and Weight Loss. Diagnosis: Heart Disease

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    • bunnyfriend
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        Hi guys, my 7 year old female rabbit has experienced some weight loss. It’s been gradual, I have been thinking that my other rabbit has been gobbling up more than his share of their food. That, combined with the fact that the rabbit she was previously bonded to died a few months ago, led me to not be too concerned. However, this week she has been having mushy poop. Her weight loss is more prominent. Her belly feels normal but her spine and hips feel more “bony.”  I have a vet appointment for her on Monday (that was the earliest I could get her in). What’s puzzling me is that her eating habits have remained completely normal – she’s eating hay, pellets and veggies. Drinking habits seem normal too. Any thoughts? Thank you in advance


      • MoxieMeadows
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          I don’t really have any advice on what could be going on, but I just wanted to bump this thread up for you, so somebody who might have more knowledge on this matter than me, might be able to see this thread and give you some advice.
          I hope all goes well at the vet appointment, please keep us updated!


        • Azerane
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            She could certainly have an underlying illness that is leading to the weight loss, even an internal parasite that may be taking some the nutrients from her food away from her. Hopefully the vet can give you some more insight. Until then it might be worth feeding her a little more than normal to try to encourage some weight gain.


          • bunnyfriend
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              Thanks guys.

              Azerane, yeah most of what I’ve seen online points to an internal parasite. Not sure how she would have got them since she’s an indoor bunny. I’m going to ask he vet to do a stool sample if she doesn’t suggest one herself. I’m also really worried that it could be cancer :/ I’ll update this thread after the vet appointment tomorrow.


            • LittlePuffyTail
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                Weight loss and mushy poops are the two signs my senior lop exhibits when he needs his molars trimmed. If your bun doesn’t have her teeth checked regularly, at her age and with those symptoms, I would def have the vet check out her teeth.

                Good luck at your appointment!


              • bunnyfriend
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                  Wilbur saw the vet this morning. She actually weighed more than usual but the vet agreed that she did not like the feel of her spine and ribs being so prominent. When she went to draw blood from her hind foot she got a lot of clear fluid so she thinks the extra weight is actually from edema. The vet had a very hard time getting blood from her, eventually she got some from the jugular but even that blood flow was slower than what would be expected. The blood work should come in tomorrow as well as the testing that’s being done on the fluid she drained. Wilbur has a heart murmur and the vet feels her blood pressure is low. She said her cecum felt more watery than normal. Wilbur’s teeth are in good condition and the vet has also ruled out parasites. The vet kept saying cancer (lymphoma specifically) and kidney failure. In the meantime she directed me to massage Wilbur’s legs and feet to help get fluids moving. She also prescribed antibiotics because the diarrhea is irritating her skin and Wilbur had a slightly elevated temp. I’m going to clip her bum a bit tonight to hopefully keep her clean. I’ve been giving her bum baths but to do them multiple times a day would be upsetting for her so we’re going to do baby powder and some creme that she’s prescribed. The vet also said again and again that this isn’t a husbandry issue, but I kind of wish it was because it would be something fixable. If anyone has gone through something similar or has advice I would love to her it. Feeling pretty upset, I can’t even think about losing her especially after losing Totoro a couple months ago and one of my cats is currently battling cancer as well. If the blood work doesn’t help illustrate the issue the next step is imagery to check for masses.

                  Also: I’m supposed to steal cecals from Fig and feed them to Wilbur. Anyone have experience stealing them from rabbits? I have no idea if you can even figure out when they’re going to produce them.


                • Vincent
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                    Oh no…! I hope it is treatable.. Sending warm thoughts toward you and your bun

                    I’m sorry but I haven’t gone through anything like that just wanted to send you wishes.


                  • Luna
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                      I hope the bloodwork and testing sheds some hope/insight on the situation. Luna sends vibes ((((Wilbur)))). As for the cecal stealing, the timing might depend on the bun? For Luna, she always produces cecals whenever I brush her (no idea why) and also right before bed.


                    • LittlePuffyTail
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                        Nothing to add, unfortunately, but wanted to send along some ((((Positive Vibes)))). I know waiting for test results is hard.


                      • Azerane
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                          Awww, poor Wilbur Here’s hoping for some test results that have a simple solution. ((((Wilbur))))

                          Regarding the cecals, I know with Luna if I see her eating one, often she’ll go down and grab a second one after. Otherwise, sometimes I notice that she’ll curl her back more and shuffle a back leg forward before she reaches down. I rarely see Apollo eating cecals, I think he naturally produces less of them.


                        • bunnyfriend
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                            Thank you everyone for the kind thoughts! Some of Wilbur’s tests results came back yesterday and there were no abnormal cells detected, however some of the blood clotted so a full count did not happen. Albumin was low and there was evidence of abnormal liver function. There was also red cell regeneration and it idicated a stress or infection response. Still waiting for the results on the fluid taken from her hind legs. She’s had 3 doses of antibiotic so far and yesterday her poops were much drier and more formed. She even had a couple normal poops! This morning there was no mush, just many small poops, but she’s still peeing on herself which is really worrisome because she’s getting scald. The vet said she’d like to do radiographs next. Wilbur refuses to eat the probiotics I bought, so I’m going to try crushing them up and mixing with applesauce. Figgy (or should I say Piggy) pudding is living it up because I also bought alfalfa to try to get Wilbur to put on some weight. I suspect he ate the priobiotic biscuit. He needs to watched because he was very overweight when he was surrendered. I have hope that this is not cancer.


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                              Have the hair trimmings, baby powder, and ointment helped at all? I hope she gets better soon; it sounds like you’re doing everything you can for her .


                            • Azerane
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                                If it helps at all, the probiotic I have comes as a powder, Jerseygirl actually suggested to me that I sprinkle it on wet veggies. So it’s also possible you could crush a probiotic up and sprinkle the powder over the top of a serving of wet veggies. Mine have no hesitation at eating their sprinkled veggies.

                                I’m glad there were no abnormal cells detected, but I do wish you had more of a solid answer of what was going on. At least she is showing improvement


                              • bunnyfriend
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                                  Thank you Azerane! After reading your comment I crushed up the probiotic and sprinkled it over basil, she loved it! The fluids taken from her hind legs did not have any abnormal cells. We went ahead with the radiographs today and no masses were detected. Lots of fluid everywhere and her heart looked pretty abnormal. Evidence of some sludge in her bladder. Her teeth are in great condition. So we’re basically looking at heart disease. In order to pinpoint what’s actually going on were looking at a cardiology appointment to do an ultrasound, but it will probably be a couple weeks before we can get an appointment. There is still a chance that it’s a thymoma pushing on her heart and this test would identify if that’s the issue. The vet seems pretty certain it’s heart disease, she prescribed a diuretic in the meantime until we can figure out what type of heart issue this exactly is and therefore what medications are best. The edema is almost certainly from the heart issue and the urine/poop problems are likely from the edema.

                                  Any suggestions for food to fatten her up? I’m going to try giving her oats per the vet’s suggestion. I just have to be very careful about making sure Fig doesn’t eat her special foods.

                                  Luna: The vet said today that her skin is pink and not red anymore so that’s a really positive sign that the baby powder and trimming is helping!


                                • Azerane
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                                    Goodness me, I’m sorry to hear about her heart. I hope that the ultrasound can provide you with more answers when you are able to have it done.

                                    Apart from the added oats and increasing pellets a little, I’m not sure what to suggest for weight gain.

                                    (((Wilbur)))


                                  • Vincent
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                                      Tried researching weight gain for rabbits and some people suggest adding a bit of afalfa to their diet 30 percent afalfa 70 percent usual hay because it’s higher in protien I guess?

                                      Or afalfa pellets apparently are a thing too and if you could find those might be easier to feed separately from your other bun then loose hay

                                      And apparently canned pumpkin is a good food (like plain pumpkin not the pie stuff) for weight gain and you could probably mix the oats in that too if she doesn’t like them plain. But I looked on regular rabbit food lists and I didn’t see any that mentioned pumpkin so I don’t know about that one

                                      Found a old fourm post about pumpkin consumption

                                      https://binkybunny.com/FORUM/tabid/54/aft/112294/Default.aspx

                                      I really hope your bun gets well soon! I am sorry to hear about her heart… hope they find a medication that helps her


                                    • jerseygirl
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                                        Im sorry about Totoro. Sorry if you had mentioned his passing elsewhere, I hadn’t seen it. Binky Free, Beautiful!
                                        Im also sorry to hear about your cat. : ( Sounds like you have your hands full with that and Wilbur’s condition also. Sending positive health {{{vibes}}} and anti-stress {{{vibes}}} your way.

                                        There wasn’t evidence of arthritis or anything from the x-rays? Not eating cecals and then getting a gut imbalance along with having a sludgy bladder can be things like arthritis or spinal issue..

                                        I would have said gradual weightloss isn’t too unusual in older rabbits and her having lost a bond mate may have contributed some but now with the test results, it does seem clear she has a bit more going on. {{{Wilbur!}}} Hopefully the diurectic will help manage the heart issue. 

                                        Albumin was low and there was evidence of abnormal liver function. There was also red cell regeneration and it idicated a stress or infection response. Still waiting for the results on the fluid taken from her hind legs. She’s had 3 doses of antibiotic so far and yesterday her poops were much drier and more formed. She even had a couple normal poops!

                                        Yay for some normal poops!
                                        What antibiotic did the vet put her on? Im wondering about hepatic coccidiosis also. Was a fecal test done in the end? I think the eggs can be detected in a fresh sample, but they don’t spore for a couple of days so I wonder if testing fresh and less fresh poop would be worthwhile? I don’t know the protocol for testing for this form of coccidiosis.
                                        It just came to mind because of the blood results, the weightloss and “watery feel of the cecum”.

                                        Weightloss occurs with this condition due to intereference with the rabbits ability to absorb nutrients. Although, older rabbits don’t absorb them as efficiently either. Since you are having an ultrasound done, it would reveal if the liver is looking enlarged and help rule out this condition. I suppose the x-rays would have shown this too, if present?

                                        Any suggestions for food to fatten her up? I’m going to try giving her oats per the vet’s suggestion. I just have to be very careful about making sure Fig doesn’t eat her special foods.

                                        I’ve heard of calf-manna helping for weight gain. It has higher protein content. https://www.mannapro.com/products/rabbit/rabbits

                                        Also: I’m supposed to steal cecals from Fig and feed them to Wilbur. Anyone have experience stealing them from rabbits? I have no idea if you can even figure out when they’re going to produce them.

                                        Tricky!
                                        They are supposed to produce cec’s about 4-5hrs after eating (??) but rabbits kinda eat all the time. lol. But if you do a morning or evening feed of pelleted food, maybe start to take not about 4hrs after (if possible!) to see if there is a regular time they are eating cecals. Getting spares is another story! Im not sure how you’d do that unless Fig is in the habit of dropping a few. If you do collect some, try offer them as is to Wilbur. Otherwise, try wrapping in a leaf of something green or even basil, which would mask the smell if she’s put off by his cecals. Even though it looks like rabbits chew on cecals, they are supposed to go to the stomach intact. The mucus coating starts to break down there then the nutrient absorbed in the lower intestine. I’ve often wonder if the chewing action is not actually biting the cecal pellets and is about getting the saliva to start the breakdown process. idk!

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                                    FORUM HOUSE RABBIT Q & A *UPDATE* Diarrhea and Weight Loss. Diagnosis: Heart Disease