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Forum BONDING We rushed them, is it too late now?

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    • DorothyTheMiniSatinBun
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        My boyfriend and I are fostering a bunny from our local animal shelter, and we are trying to bond him with our current bunny, but I am afraid that we didn’t let him get acclimated to our house before we started the process. He’s very territorial over his own space, thumping and tail up, marking a lot. She seems to have taken to him though, as I have been using a “stunt double” or “decoy” with his scent, and she mounts it but then she grooms it for quite a while and cuddles with it. Some background info:

        They are both spayed and neutured. 

        She is a little over 1 year old, he is about 2 years old.

        She is a mini satin (4 pounds) and he is a himalayan mix (8 pounds).

        She is very confident, curious and active, and he is calm, more passive and laid-back.

        He does not seem to appreciate her encroaching on his space. I have put them in neutral territory since then, and he seems to be less annoyed by her then, he tried to mount her a few times but she didn’t stay still and slowly ran away (she didn’t seem bothered). They are both marking in the neutral territory. They eat around each other and groom around each other. They ignored each other in neutral territory, but they will confront each other occassionally. I am trying to exchange their toys and stuff in their enclosures. Is it too late, did we rush the male? We are now giving him as much time to get used to his surroundings, and we don’t let her bother him anymore. I would appreciate any advice, thanks.


      • vanessa
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          It actually doesn’t sound too bad to me. While the normal procedure would be to let him get used to his new home for a few weeks, then do prebonding, I suppose you could do prebonding while he gets used to his new home. I do think you rushed the bunny dates a bit… but it still doesn’t sound all that bad. Since you’v already introduced them, I’d probably keep doing the prebonding for a few weeks, swapping toys, litter boxes, etc and find a much more neutral area. The fact that he is marking in the neutral area means he hasn’t claimed a home base yet that is distinct from the area you labeled “neutral”. He is taking a much larger area as his home base. This will not be good for bonding. So I’d take a few steps back, let him realize which area is his, so that you can have a truly neutral area for the bunny dates. But let them continue to be able to see each other – just hold off on physical contact for a few weeks. It sounds like you will still have an easy-ish bond.


        • DorothyTheMiniSatinBun
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            If I keep swapping the toys and litterboxes would that be counterproductive because then he would still not have an area that he thinks is his own? I am not sure I have a truly neutral area in my apartment as Dorothy has somehow found her way into every corner of this place. She has not been in the bathtub, but with both of their slightly aggressive behavior, I am afraid to force confrontation. Do you think that would be okay? I don’t want to do the car because of the marking. Also, by letting them see each other do you mean we can leave him in his cage and have her come out and see him? I don’t want him to become even more defensive… thanks for your reply.


          • vanessa
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              I woudln’t do the car or bathtub just yet – but those are good options for when you are ready to do bunny dates. Typically, I would say – let him get used to what is his and not his. I.e., wait a few weeks before swapping stuff. Only reason I might do the swapping now, is that you have already somewhat introduced them to eachother. Not sure what other’s think of this. If you are unsure, don’t swap stuff, give him a few weeks to figure out what belongs to him. That’s the most common way of doing it. For seeing eachother – no closer than 6 inches through their cages. No play dates. No meetings. Allow them to live within sight of eachother. If he is acting up, posturing, showing his tail/ears at her, separate their cages until he stops acting up. As he calms down, you can bring their cage closer. I got to where my unbonded rabbits can share a NIC cube fence. The idea of swapping is to introduce her scent into his territory as a matter-of-fact. But he needs to establish a territory first – and it can’t be your whole entire abode! I’m also limited on what is left that is truly neutral. On occasion, I have used a friend’s house, and even hotels while I go on travel.
              How quickly to move really depends on the bunny. You could skip the swapping for a few weeks to allow him to fully realize what is his, you could keep them completely separate for the first few weeks, or as long as he is not acting up, you could house them in the same room with some distance. After a few weeks, you could start the swapping. Then once his territorial behavior subsides – start the bunny dates (car/bathtub).


            • DorothyTheMiniSatinBun
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                Posted By vanessa on 5/30/2017 3:06 PM

                I woudln’t do the car or bathtub just yet – but those are good options for when you are ready to do bunny dates. Typically, I would say – let him get used to what is his and not his. I.e., wait a few weeks before swapping stuff. Only reason I might do the swapping now, is that you have already somewhat introduced them to eachother. Not sure what other’s think of this. If you are unsure, don’t swap stuff, give him a few weeks to figure out what belongs to him. That’s the most common way of doing it. For seeing eachother – no closer than 6 inches through their cages. No play dates. No meetings. Allow them to live within sight of eachother. If he is acting up, posturing, showing his tail/ears at her, separate their cages until he stops acting up. As he calms down, you can bring their cage closer. I got to where my unbonded rabbits can share a NIC cube fence. The idea of swapping is to introduce her scent into his territory as a matter-of-fact. But he needs to establish a territory first – and it can’t be your whole entire abode! I’m also limited on what is left that is truly neutral. On occasion, I have used a friend’s house, and even hotels while I go on travel.
                How quickly to move really depends on the bunny. You could skip the swapping for a few weeks to allow him to fully realize what is his, you could keep them completely separate for the first few weeks, or as long as he is not acting up, you could house them in the same room with some distance. After a few weeks, you could start the swapping. Then once his territorial behavior subsides – start the bunny dates (car/bathtub).

                Thank you for your advice. I will give him a couple weeks to get used to his space. I think I might buy a baby gate to close off the hallway, so they can look at each other from far away and smell each other, but she can’t bother him. After I think he’s comfortable, I will re -introduce them to each other in the “neutral space.” If that’s still an iffy interaction, I will have to rethink the neutral zone.


              • Vincent
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                  For neutral space if you have extra pens and a backyard, I took my bunnies outside on nice days and they seemed to agree it was pretty neutral even if my male was sometimes outside before, since rain and wind and other things affect the scents unless your bun is out all the time

                  Of course this doesn’t work if you have too many wild animals in your area or too hot or cold of a climate or no backyard or something.

                  Maybe give your bathroom a scrub with some vinigar if your first bun has already been in there? Vinigar usually cancels out bunny smells. A bonus is the usually slippery tiles in bathrooms makes it more unlikely for them to fight


                • DorothyTheMiniSatinBun
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                    Update: So last night they spent some time together in the kitchen which is actually where he likes to stay, but they shared a litterbox for a bit, and they ate together a lot. He reverse mounted her twice, the first time she was relatively calm but the second time she was trying to run away and they were scrambling quite a bit. They also circled a couple of times. She seems to want him to groom her, but he will keep his head flush to the ground. He nipped her on the head once and she pulled some hair from him later on. We separated them after they were ignoring each other. Am I wrong to think this is going fairly well, even if they’re still working out who is in charge? I think we will take them outside on our back porch next.


                  • DanaNM
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                      I thought you were going to do more pre-bonding??? 

                      If she isn’t settled in yet, and you date them in his space, you risk them bonding weakly, due to her not being completely confident. Then their bond could break later if she decides that she is no longer happy with their terms. I speak from experience here, please listen to the advice you were given by Vanessa. 

                      That said, the sessions aren’t going terribly, so it sounds like ONCE you do prebonding, the actual bonding will probably go smoothly. 

                      Bunnies tend to get very territorial over their litterbox, so it’s good that they shared it, but I would probably remove it for future dates, until you are at the point where they are spending several hours together without scuffling. 

                      Ignoring is good, eating together is good. 

                      You must stop circling, and do not allow reverse mounting. And you must not date in his space. 

                       

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                    • sarahthegemini
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                        What happened to giving him time to settle???


                      • DorothyTheMiniSatinBun
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                          My bad, guys. It’s hard to let Dorothy roam right now because we don’t have a divider as of yet. I am going to block off the hallway, so she can at least still play the way she used to before he came. I am re-starting the pre-bonding process even though they’ve already met and hopefully by the time I re-introduce them, they’ll be ready.

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