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Hi guys. I had a surprise first litter a month back and the kits are doing great. Two days back, I got a second litter (the doe and buck were together for a few minutes after the first litter). The doe gave birth to three kits. Two of them were attacked by a red ant swarm and died within three hours of birth. One of them was miraculously (?) avoided by the ants (?). I had noticed that it was a bit smaller than the first litter babies, but I shuned it away thinking I might be worrying to much. He is a new zealand white baby, so I shuned away the peanut possibility too (?). He has quite a hunger also. BUT, he isn’t growing it seems. I have had the first litter where the babies would have decent round tummies after a feed. But, this guy never gave me that satisfaction. I am feeding him 4 times a day (flip feeding). He peed and pooped also. What can be the problem? Though it’s just been 48 hours and I might be worrying too much. I hope the doe is producing milk. The baby is suckling for quite some seconds. I am attaching pictures of the 48 hour old kit. Please advise. I am dying of tension. ![]()
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If anyone has any advice to offer, please do. The pictures might be removed later, but since they are important for determining the health of the kit, I’ve kept them up for now.
Bam
I agree that the tummy should start getting round with feeding, but the kit doesn’t look ematiated to me here. Maybe a bit slow to grow. Do you have a vet you can go to?
I expect that if it is not thriving you will know in the next 48 hours. Eating, pee and poop is all encouraging. Keep warm and let us know how it goes. My vet accepts emailed questions so maybe yours would, too.
Bam is right that we will have to take down the pix eventually, but they are relevant to your question for now so we might hold off on that for a few days.
I never went to a vet because never needed one. Also, there are no rabbit vets nearby. I have to travel 30 kms for it. Will it be safe for the kit?
You could call a vet and ask. The best thing is of course to not transport a bunny that young. Sometimes a runt won’t thrive due to some internal malformation, sometimes a runt is just tiny and will make it just fine with proper feeding and fattening up. His color is beautifully pink and healthy, and since he has a hearty appetite and pees and poops, I’d say you’re doing a great job.
Sending good vibes your way! Wick is a runt, so he’s cheering for the lil’ baby as well.
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All I hope for is that he survives healthy and hearty.
Thank you for your wishes and help.
I’m sure Bam is right about not risking travelling with him. But you may need a vet soon, so look up Exotics Vets in your area or online, and also check with any local bird vets (mine is one who specializes in birds and small animals) to see if you can locate a closer one with rabbit experience. You can call then, and ask if you may email the pix, or updated ones, for an opinion.
Hope he’s a little better as of this writing. (fingers & paws crossed.)
Definitely call the vet and see if they can help and if they can offer any advice. Keep feeding him and toileting him the way that you have been, and keep watch to make sure mama bun is taking care of him also. If she is rejecting him, and the ants rejected him, he could have been born with an illness or other abnormality. If that is the case, a vet will be able to help you with advice and possible treatments (when hes older).
Edit to add, his skin looks healthy and although his tummy isnt rounded out very much, it is rounded out a little bit so it does look like he has eaten. If you try to feed him more, does he take it? Have you seem mama bun feed him at all, or does it seem like you are the only one feeding? Do his poops look normal for his age? Is he peeing a normal amount?
Sorry, I wasn’t being very clear. What I meant was it’s best to call the vet and ask first, not go out on a 3 hour drive with him unless the vet tells you to
The pix would give them a good idea of his health status.
Hi, Mickey. He was pooping a LOT in the first 24 hours. But the poop was totally normal. Last 24 hours, his poop amount became normal too. I was supecting of him ingesting ants by any chance? Today in the morning (India), I decided to give him a 15 min feed time and he is looking better now. He has grown fur within 48 hours which is unique because normally kits grow fur after 4 days? I am now suspecting mother’s milk production.
And, the momma bun is not really interested to feed the baby, but when I am holding her she is grooming the baby. They are domestic buns and live inside with me so I keep an eye always. When I had the first litter, the momma bun was not interested about the babies and now the same thing for this baby.
I make sure I do a flip feeding at least 4-5 times for this guy.
RabbitPam, the place I live has no Exotic Vets nearby or far. But there’s a rabbit savvy doc 30 kms away. The problem is he is not available online. The baby is doing better now. He is showing no signs of weakness or dehydration.
Just that he’s losing his tummy a bit fast.
Continue feeding and helping him toilet like you have been then and things should be alright. I dont think he could have eaten any ants, and he looks untouched from ant bites which is also a good sign
It is possible that mama bun just doesnt care about kits she has. Its not common, but its not impossible either. As long as you can continue to care for him and be his surrogate mama, he should be ok given how his health sounds ![]()
I doing the best I can. Yes, he was abnormally untouched because he was right there beside his brothers who were attacked. But he does seem a bit smaller and slow in growing than the first litter I had (I can be wrong though). Just fingers crossed ATM. I already love him so much. The babies from the first litter used to get so much attention from me before his arrival and now when they see me caring for this kit they go mad for attention. ![]()
Mama bun can be a little tired and physically worn out from having had one litter so near in time. She was also lactating and feeding the first litter while this little guy was in her womb, so maybe he didn’t get as much nourishment as he would’ve otherwise? Make sure mama bun gets extra food, if you don’t already, lactating takes a toll.
I am giving her loads of veggies, oatmeal, and fresh grass. She also gets a bit more fruits than usual. Both the mother and baby are under me all the time, so they might be overfeeded but not less feeded. ![]()
That sounds great! =)
From the sound of things and your level of care, my hopes are up. ![]()
Are the older kits still with her most of the time?
If they still feed on occasion, that would help keep her lactating. But you don’t want them taking too much either, or causing her any stress.
Do you know of anyone else that has a rabbit feeding a litter at the moment? You could try see if another Doe would accept him, or at least get a few additional feeds from her.
He always looks thin. But he pees and poops. Another sign is his tummy skin is wrinkly. I am giving him 6 feeds a day. He is hydrated anyhow. But something’s not right. ![]()
The older kits are completely weaned. But they do try to feed occasionally. Is there a possibility that he might be genetically thin? Like his body structure is like that? Because he has longer legs and body than that of the older kits. He also grew in fur within 48 hrs whereas the older kits had the first furs after 96 hours. There’s some difference between the two litters.![]()
Can you get hold of some alfalfa (lucerne) hay for the Mum? It is higher in protein which she would need to produce decent milk. She is probably quite depleted. The more protein she gets, the more will be transferred to the baby.
Could you get some goats milk to give him?
Posted By Sharmila on 4/14/2017 6:36 AM
The older kits are completely weaned. But they do try to feed occasionally. Is there a possibility that he might be genetically thin? Like his body structure is like that? Because he has longer legs and body than that of the older kits. He also grew in fur within 48 hrs whereas the older kits had the first furs after 96 hours. There’s some difference between the two litters.![]()
He may be longer limbed purely because of genetics, but he should be gaining (especially being the only one) and the tummy should be plump after the feeds. Do you see him suckle?
The timing of the fur coming in may again be due to the protein the mother has. As you weren’t aware she was pregnant the first time, Im guessing she was on her regular diet right up until you discovered she had the kits?
I give her alfa alfa and fresh grass in loads. I do not feed oats normally, but now I give her two tablespoons of cooked oats with oregano and cilantro every day and night. Also, loads of veggies and sometimes boiled rice.
See, the first litter I didn’t have any idea so she was on regular diet. The second litter I was cent percent sure about her pregnancy because I saw her mating with the buck minutes after kindling. So, naturally the second time she was on a heavy diet. I used to give her triple the normal because she was nursing plus pregnant.
Yes, he is always hungry like mad. That’s why at first I was suspecting mother’s milk production. I also suspected his suckling abilities. Then I saw this baby suckle at one teat for quite a 20 seconds. This must mean there’s milk. Then why is it that I have to feed so many numberof times?
I don’t have goat’s milk or camel’s milk available here. I also tried to get PetAg KMR, but no store delivers here. But I found a KMR which is also a puppy milk replacer, which I don’t know is safe or not. It’s Bephar Lactol for puppies and kittens (here in India). I also thought about calf manna, which again I don’t know is wise or not.
But there is an update now. The mother has started caring for the baby on her own. And finally, I see a little satisfaction. He does have a better sized tummy now. Before this, the rib cage was clearly peeking. But now, I see a belly.
I just hope she continues this feeding and all problems get solved. But if it’s not, should I use the Beaphar Lactol with whipping cream in addition to mother’s milk?
But there is an update now. The mother has started caring for the baby on her own. And finally, I see a little satisfaction. He does have a better sized tummy now. Before this, the rib cage was clearly peeking. But now, I see a belly. I just hope she continues this feeding and all problems get solved. But if it’s not, should I use the Beaphar Lactol with whipping cream in addition to mother’s milk?
Hooray!
That is great to read. Fingers crossed she continues to give him a good feeds. She’s in a better position this time since you suspected she was pregnant and she had a different diet.
The Beaphar Lactol could be used if her milk dries up. I think the trick is mixing it up thicker then you would for kitten or puppy. Rabbit milk is supposed to be very rich. The cream would help to make it richer too.
If you have calf-manna there, it’s something that could be good for the Mum. The Manna Pro website indicates to give a tablespoon a day to lactating Does. I do remember someone on here years ago that was able to get a malnourished rabbit to improve using calf-manna, but it wasn’t a rabbit this young.
I might get calf manna here because there are cows everywhere here. :p She’s just an year old though.
I will watch over her and the baby for another day and if she does her job well, I think there’s no need of any supplement. ![]()
I am attaching an image of his “better tummy” hopingit won’t be taken down soon. ![]()
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Thats a good tummy to have!
Glad mama has started to take care of him more, and Im glad to hear he has been doing a lot better with eating
It’s just lovely news
Fingers crossed mama bun will keep this up!
Yes, same here. For the first litter also this happened. But when I flip feeded for the older kits, they did have a round tummy.
He’s a grown visibly from yesterday. Poor little guy, he wasn’t getting a proper feed since Day 1. ![]()
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