Jerseygirl, yes he had thyme before, out of the same batch I purchased. As for his eyes they are perfectly normal during all of this this is why I am so confused about it. not to mention scared. He would not normally go outside to play in the first place.except now he is in a full teen age male bunny mode and marking everything, including my mattress and pillows.that is why we started going outside to potty then come in to play. until I can get him fixed.

Thank you I had already planned to take video of him in the morning to show vet what is going and I was thinking it was the EC parasite as well from all the reasearch I could find on it. I will let you know how vet appt goes when we get home tomorrow.

Now on a lighter note I got and email last night from HRS telling me that on the 29th Gizmo is going to be the bunny of the day 🙂

Good news from Vet its not EC. In all his years of practice he has only seen a few cases of it. Bad news Giz has an ear infection. We caught it early. Vet thinks its from mites so he is treating for those as well. So for for the next week at least he will get ear drops and oral antibiotics 2 a day

Yes he will get 4 drops in the right ear 2x a day ( which he does not like at all) and the oral antibiotic. The vet put him on the following Tribrissen Suspension and Tresaderm Solution.

And of course I feel guilty as sin over this because its my fault he has the ear infection. If I had not been taking him outside and he had not had any interaction with the wild bunnies he wouldnt be sick, and my 90 year old grandmother would not have just spend $144 on a vet bill. ( I am out of work and have been since May)

So for the next week its going to be a very needy cuddly Gizmo and my chest looking like I have gone a few rounds with with Freddie Krueger again ( I dont mind if it keeps him happy and comfortable)

We do have 2 more pet bunnies on property so I gave their owner a warning so he can be aware of it just in case. But Giz has been doing happy bunny flops and vet said let him eat his favorite veges for now, so he got his kale and romaine and cilantro and broccoli salad mix and green beans.

Though I have to say I think the best part of the vet visit was the weight………

The vet tech was from Australia (her name tag gave it away,along with the accent) she took Giz to weigh him. when the vet asked how much he was a little while later she said and I quote 10.10 lbs. My sister, grandmother, myself and the vet looked at her and said no, there is no way he weighed 10 lbs. so vet had me go with her to weigh him again, 3.3 lbs…..BIG difference…

Then we get home I Giz yelled at me because I didnt, god for bid feed him, no pellets,salad or oatmeal. my 11 year old nephew heard him thumping in the kitchen, Giz was so mad at me. He promptly got fed. But right now he is doing pretty good.. he is in his cage for the night fighting with the hand towel I put in there. It just is not doing what he wants it to, lol. I will keep everyone posted one how is is doing. AND THANK YOU SO MUCH for everything. I am glad I joined.

Just wanted to give everyone an update on Gizmo. He is doing better, as his stuffed girlfriend can attest to. He is still ‘drunk’ walking on his side, and this morning he had to have 2 butt baths. One before he got meds and then one an hour later after he got meds. (he had diarrhea) So I am sure I have been moved down on his favorite people list even more. He is still eating and drinking just fine.

I am keeping his extra cage clean and rotating his sleeping towels out (thank god for white towels, hot water, oxyclean and white vinegar) and while sick using paper plates for his food, rabbit safe litter and newspapers over potty pads for floor of cage, over his tile bottom.

I didn’t even know he had ear mites, has anyone else dealt with them? I went and looked them up and everything I have seen or read the owners didnt see anything until the ears were all caked up with crust you could see or the loss of fur on the bunny. If these little microscopic creeps affect a bunnys balance wouldnt you know prior to that? just by watching them walk or trying to play?

I am not trying to be sarcastic, just asking.
Next question>
Has anyone tried the over the counter preventative mite meds or the natural ones
Link for natural ones ( https://riseandshinerabbitry.com/2012/10/30/ear-mites-causes-and-remedys/) scroll down about half way and it gets in the different oils you can use including mineral, vegatable, baby, olive and a couple others
OTC—- Rabbit RX, Eradimite, Rotenone

Bam,

He gets ear drops and an oral antibiotic 2x a day.

Another thing is now I need to worry about is Pepper (dog) going to end up with them. As we all share the same living space, my bedroom,

Vienna,

Gizmo weighs 3 lbs 3 oz.  We are not sure how the vet tech came up with 10lbs even with conversion its not even close.  

Bam, 

I was reading through there the last couple nights,   Pepper is german shepard/wolf.  And before anyone asks why some one would breed those two together that is not the case here.  Peppers mom was in heat when her owner took her on a hunting trip in Canada. 6 weeks later…Pepper and siblings showed up. 

Back to Gizmo 

He seems to be having a really rough morning today,  he cant seem to stay upright.   I actually had to bring him out and have him in my lap to have his salad because he was doing somersaults.   He is trying really hard to stand up.

He still has a good appetite and drinking well. Going to the bathroom normally. Vet said if we did not see significant improvement by Tuesday or Wednesday let them know. 

LB- tried that he just unrolls it and makes it into whatever he wants

Vienna– right now he has very limited movement– either his cage which is maybe 2×3 feet total, the bathroom, and my bed. and all are supervised. Outside is off limits until the ear infection is gone per the vet.

Bam– Thanks but yes I could have prevented this by not taking him outside once he decided to mark my mattress as his. This in turn caused him to come in contact with our wild domestic yard bunnies, which is how we got Giz in the first place.

And digging for information doesnt bother me. The way I see it the more information you have when your furbaby has an issue, the better prepared you are the next time, and you can help the next person who has not been through it. Besides doing the research also helps the vet out. There maybe a treatment out there the vet may not have heard of yet that works that he can try if the current treatment is not working.

As I am typing this I am watching Giz in his cage with his towel and it looks like he is doing somewhat better this afternoon, he can sit up and give him self a quick bath so that a good sign and a big bunny yawn.

Just a quick update on Giz, he is having a better day. No headstands and only 1 somersault (those dang towels mom gives me every day just dont stay the way I want them) I have cut up one of my old fleece night tops for him and that is not doing what he wants it to either. He has eaten he salad in full plus part of a dried cherry (grandma is sharing her cherries with him him, he only get part of one every other day or so) But he has spent most of today sleeping. I hope that is a good sign

Bam,

Eating has not been an issue he loves his salad and his pellet mix at night. I am not trying any new veges while he is sick though and I have taken all the herbs off his diet as well. I will toss those into my potato soup or spaghetti sauce.

Tomorrow it will be a week since he has been on the meds, but in all honesty, I have not seen any improvement in his being able to walk or stand straight. Only real change I have seen is he is drinking alot more water I have a 16 oz water bottle for him on his cage. I change the water usually every other day last couple days days I noticed during the change I am adding more water than I normally would. Vet said to call today.

Just got off phone with the vet, he wants to see Giz tomorrow, maybe change his antibiotic. So I have sacrificed my Lisa Frank butterfly beach towel for Gizmos comfort. As long as he does not as for my Lisa Frank Marky Beach Towel I think we will be ok. 

Thats how I noticed something was wrong in the first place. His balance was off, hence my ‘drunk’ bunny thread we are on.

I know the vet said anything in the penicillin family is bad for bunnies

Gizmo has had an easy morning so far.  a fresh clean towel with clean newspaper and clean tiles. He is asleep right now.   

And I get to sit in my room and laugh hysterically at my cousin who despises( “nasty stinky dirty fithly ugly creatures”) (direct quote from him not me) bunnies. we have had the best news today.

He was told he has to be out and off the property by nov 1

and the best part

just as i was finishing Giz cages this am- i let him roam for a bit in the living room and my cousin was laying on the couch. and Giz just jumped right up there and snuggled into his armpit and started giving him kisses.. my cousin was freaking out over it. Asking Gizmo “what are you doing?” and pulling away from him as far as he could as Giz just got closer.  LOVED IT.. 

That is what you get when you say mean things to a bunny who has been handled every day since he was maybe 2 weeks old and did nothing to you. 

UPDATE

Giz saw the vet today and he is doing better, the vet still saw pus down in his ear and its still inflamed so he switched antibiotics and decreased the ear drops
So the new med routine is 2 drops and 1/2 pill (Baytril 20) 2x a day

Vet said I need to watch Gizmos food intake while on the new antibiotic because, its alot stronger than his old one and he may stop eating

Good news today—- Gizmo is not falling over as much as he was. He can actually eat out of his sald bowl without falling over and give himself a bath without falling. He is not thrilled with the pill but if it works then he gets it. Now just to worry about getting some timothy hay. He does not like the alfalfa cubes at all.

Bam- Yes Giz is spunky definately, he has taken on the older males in the yard.

On better notes

My grandmother has agreed to let the local rescues come in and capture the bunnies.
Her ideal would be to capture them and then have them fixed then released back into the yard.
My sister Beth talked her into letting them find loving permanent indoor homes. I let the local chapter of HRS know I can help capture and tame since they know me.

My brother is going to make 2 ‘gates’ for the area where I take Giz out to play. They will be light weight and easy to set up and take down. this will allow him to play safely and not have any other physical interaction with the wild bunnies. Meanwhile I am looking for a way to kill these little nasty bugs so when he can go out and play again we do not have a repeat.

I am open for any and all ideas.

UPDATE:

Gizmo is doing better overall. Not one somersault or headstand since the new antibiotic. Been eating and drinking well.  

He is starting to want to play more 
Coming to his cage door like he used to to come out.  Giving lots of kissing but now with little nibbles

Until today 

Giz has slowing his eating down.Out of his salad this morning he left the bell peppers, carrots and romaine, He is eating his alfalfa and timothy hay still. So we are preparing for him to stop eating completely.

So asking which is going to be better to mix with the Critical Care(Possibly instead of water) Pedialyte or smart water or plain filtered water

This is how he put his towel after I cleaned his cage today.  Mr. KING GIZ            

Thanks Bam dehydrated no he is still drinking well, just his eating has slowed down. Even this morning. I can put his salad in his cage and he will eat the whole thing at one time.

Just like yesterday morning, he has left half of it. He is still eating his hay as well and I am monitoring both very closely.

I took Giz out just so he could have a little exercise and stretch his legs and was rewarded with him binkying throughout the house, so I know that is a good sign and since I can see him as I type this I he just flopped, not a full one. I will take any thing he wants to give right now.

Giz is having a rough tim, its like we are back at day one Still eating and drinking well still going to the bathroom fine. He is taking his meds just fine, the baytril he takes right out of my hand. I have divided his salad into 2 portions. At a loss. I have the links for help with vet bills just hoping I can find some. (not asking here) Grandma said she wouldnt pay for anymore and I can understand she is 90 on a fixed income and I am EXTREMELY grateful for what she has done for us already.

Hopefully this is just one of things where its an up and down day?

Day 2 

Still having another a rough day. Eating drinking potty all fine. 

Bam, E Cuniculi? Isn’t that different than ear mites Which the vet thinks is the cause of Giz ear infection?

Thank you LBJ.

Bam,

Its ok. I think I have done to much research at this point and have so many things swimming around in my head as to what it could be or what the vet thinks it might be….

Last vet visit, dr said it could also be Pasteurella…. which I have been reading on… and I dont like the outcome of that.

Giz had a good day for most part, but tonight he is down again I am half temped to get the laundry basket and make a bed in it for him and see if he will spend the night in that if it is on the bed with me and peps tomorrow night after he has clean towels and pillows again. His cage is on the other side of the room from us.

Update on Giz

Good news first:

Gizmo is still eating, drinking,  peeing and pooping well.

I am adding some new veges and greens to his diet to get him off so much kale ( Mom is mean- she is taking away my kale, so I decided to take my nails and add a few more scratched to her chest)

I didn’t take away his kale, I am cutting it down from almost every day to every few days

So Gizmo has these new veges:

Dandelion Greens:  Makes up for no Kale

Asparagus:   Not sure about it yet but did eat it

Pea Pod :  He likes those almost as much as his green beans 

Other news:

Still having rough time, back to week 1 all over again,somersault and today he did a complete headstand for a about 15 seconds
, though, it seems mid day he seems to be doing the best. 

. Will go back to vet Thursday, though I may take him in early.

Question for everyone or anyone—–>

Has anyone used any natural type antibiotic like Vibactra Plus or something similar? 

If so, did you use prior to a vet visit? after a vet visit while on the first round of prescribed antibiotics? use during prescribed antibiotics, after antibiotics.   

Good, bad, no response?  

I am looking at all options right now. 

Vienna,

Thanks, for responding I hope some one does.

Jersey,

Its like he has not been on anything at all for the last 3 weeks almost  There is no head tilt,never was, not even a slight one

but he can not sit up straight long enough to wash his face before he falls over.  He can not even stand up right now now

 for any length of time without falling.If he does try to walk he walks side to side,wobbly the falls down, like he has

been drinking.  He has  vet appt for Thursdday from 2 weeks ago ( I wish my phone would allow me upload video)

Gizmo has not lost his appetite,though it has has decreased some, while on the Baytril, . He would normally eat his

salad at one time now he will nibble at it through out the day, so I have taken to dividing it up into 2 servings and that has helped h

im get all hi veges in. 

This video is the best one I can find to show how Gizmo is. This is Gizmo to a T

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85QJSWCqHik

As for the Vibactra:

https://ambertech.com/store/product/vibactra-plus/: Vibactra Plus Product Descrption

Vibactra plus is a special combination of herbs demonstrated to enhance immunity via their known antibiotic and antioxidant activities. An all-natural herbal dietary supplement.

 Vibactra plus is an herbal solution for bacterial, viral and parasitical infections. Its many anecdotally-observed clinical successes include clearance of refractory pneumonia, fight intestinal

 illness (as an adjunct to amber technology’s parvaid and kitty distempered), and in the setting of cold and flu symptoms. It also plays a role in prophylaxis against airborne infection. Vibactra

 plus is designed to: fight infections quell post-infectious inflammation stimulate circulation increase immunity reduce free radicals help eliminate microscopic parasites note: for any infection

 of concern, one must seek immediate medical assessment. When to use vibactra plus during parvo (in conjunction with parvaid) during feline distemper (in conjunction with kitty distempered)

 help build the immune system in some cases of itching. Aid in the prevention of parvo or feline distemper help with kennel cough or canine flu when an open wound is present help reduce many

types of infections vibactra plus may be beneficial for use before surgery to enhance immunity and eliminate the possibility of a coccidian outbreak. (Discontinue 3 days before surgery) in some

cases vibactra or vibactra plus may help with a dull coat, some forms of mange, bad teeth, and bad breath. To assist with coccidian, giardia, and other microscopic parasites inner ear

 infections these statements have not been evaluated by the FDA.

Directions for Use

(For pets over 251 lbs, add 5 drops for every additional 100 lbs of body weight.)

Directions for Use:

FOR CANINES & FELINES

General: give 4 times daily for 7-10 days.

Long term: give 2 times daily giving a 5 day break every 30 days.

Pregnant animals: give half the dose 1-2 times daily. (see caution)

FOR BIRDS, RABBITS & GUINEA PIGS

Add 20 drops to every 8 oz of water.

Ingredients

Active Ingredients per ml

“Proprietary Blend of (Brown Mustard Seed ^1,3, Olive Leaf ^1,3,4, Jatoba ^2,3, Cloves ^1,3,4) 321 mg”

Black Seed ^{2, 3}…….……………………………….205 mg

Pau D’arco Bark ^2,3,4………………………………..68 mg

Grapefruit Seed Extract ^1,3…………………………..2 mg 

Inactive Ingredients

Concord Grape Wine 2,3, Filtered Water, Grain Alcohol USP 17% by volume 1,3

1-Organic  2-Wildcrafted  3-Non-GMO  4-Kosher

Caution:

Safe use in pregnant animals or animals intended for breeding has not been proven.  If animal’s condition worsens or does not improve, stop product administration and consult your veterinarian.  An examination from a veterinarian is recommended prior to using this product.

Warning:

For animal use only.  Keep out of reach of children and animals.  In case of accidental overdose, contact a health professional immediately.

Vibactra Plus Should Not Be Used With These Amber Technology Products:

·         HWF

·         Kocci Free

·         Reptaid

·         Reptaid XL

·         Tossa K

·         UTR

·         Vibactra

Jersey,

No he hasn’t, but we have a vet tech across the street and she came and cleaned Gizzys ears a few times.

LBJ, not sure if getting more meds will help or hurt at this point I still have the orignal antibiotic. all depends on grandma. I know she said she wouldnt pay for anymore but we until thursday comes we wont know for sure. Right now he is not getting worse but not improving. Though I woke and had to give him a butt bath which he does not like at all. So I think I am going to have my cousin and aunt on the hunt for a portable playpen for him it will give him more room overall. I will rearrange my room to make it fit

Jersey, 

He is in on Baytril now will finish his first 2 week dose Thursday, which is when his next vet appt is. I dont have the credit for Carecredit, nor the income since I still am not working.  I have not heard of Pet assure.  I will look them up in the morning.  I would ask my parents for their Carecredit information but I know theirs is maxed out, with dad just having cancer surgery and 17 days in the hospital and 3 weeks in rehab hospital and diane fighting bone and breast cancer and an elderly dog who is allergic to everything now.   I can hope the vet wont charge Thursday for the next round of antibiotics. 

I asked my sister tonight if she hears of anyone getting rid of a portable play pen to lay claim to it for me.  I some more is going for some reason and the vet is being cautious because its grandma. I am going to talk to the local chapter of HRS and see if maybe they can help as well.  At least with the meds I dont mind taking care of him.. and I will do whatever I can in return.  now just to stock pile hay, potty pads towels get all the rest and figure out my english class, which has me more stressed out than Gizmo does.    

Again THANK YOU everyone for the advice answering my questions, giving me ideas, websites,  information..I think I would be a totally lost if it was not for everyone here.

Dr. Holt does not charge for the office visit on a recheck ($67) just the meds he will give, I think the Baytril was $43.10 for 2 weeks.

Because he has been treating the familys pets for over 20 years maybe I can talk to him at visit this week.

If not I will call the 2 other vets I use plus the HRS vet and see plus like I said look into the Pet Assure tomorrow.

Took Giz in a day early.

His ear infection is still pretty bad still lots of pus, I even asked if I could see and yes I was allowed.  Vet did an ear wash.

Gizmo has lost 12 oz. He has gone from 3 lbs 3 oz to 2 lbs 7 oz.  I knew he was loosing weight. and I have been feeding him extra to combat the weight loss and the vet said that was the right thing to do to.  He did not suggest putting him on critical care since he is eating well on his own. 

He also said that since the ear canal is so short to the brain the infection may have already made it there. So it is a wait and see. 

So for next 2 weeks Gizmo will be on all 3 antibiotics, the Baytril, Tresaderm and the Tribissen in the following doses:

Tribissen 1/2 cc        2x a day

Tresaderm 4 drops      2x a day

Baytril 1/2          2x a day

This is our last shot—after this the next antibiotic he said in 15-20% of rabbits it causes kidney failure. And he only goes for that if he is loosing the fight.  I asked about the over the counter like Vibactra  and he said he would use Colloidal Silver over the Vibactra. 

He goes back for recheck next week 

IF the infection has made it into his brain what are his chances with all three of these antibiotics over the next 2 weeks? 

LBJ,

Gizmo was on the Tresaderm for the first week with 4 drops 2x day then 2weeks 2x day, vet raised it back up yesterday.

I make sure that he gets the right amount of drops each time. the vet said we may, if we pull him through this, have to keep him on a maintainance dose of it.

I can understand why the vet put him on it, possible ear mites and the infection, and inflammation.

Because if I can take him off the drops now and just keep him on the oral I will.

How easy was the ear wash to do?
Any good gentle home ear washes recipes anyone know of

I have been looking for something thats easy to do without having to have Lisa come over and using her supplies. I know she does not mind but she works hard to get them donated to her.

LBJ,

I will call vet tomorrow and see.

LBJ,

Spoke to vet drops. He want Giz on ear drops until at least next check up. As for using something like Oti-clens, he will wait for that until next week.. We can continue using luke warm water with vinegar, rubbing alcohol and peroxide in it.

When Lisa makes it to flush Gizzys ear…….

2 cups warm water
1 teaspoon each of the vinegar, rubbing alcohol and peroxide.

Mixed very well and she lets it set until just above room temp.

Then she uses a small feeding syringe and gently squirts some in his ear. She covers his ear and lets him shake. She also uses long qtips. She always extremely gentle with him…its nice having a vet tech across the street

There may not be a next vet visit…. 

I took Giz out to play on the porch this morning and he has partial control over his back legs. When he did walk, he was still falling over, worse then ever, all he did was come over to me want to be held for about 15 min. When I did put him back down Giz went and turned around and came back over to me and climbed with his front paws on my lap. He never has done that.  

He is still is eating well food hay pellets, pottying well, drinking well,   

SO depending on what the vet says monday when I call Giz may come off all his meds and just be given supportive care, pain meds, etc. 

My bed faces his cage and I can see him shaking like he is cold, which he has been doing for the last couple weeks, and I had to stop writing this for about 10 min as he just had a seizure.

I believe animals know when they are ready and everything is done that can be done, and Giz is telling me, “Mom, you and grandma did everything in you power, but its time for me to go.”  

So if he is ready then I will not force it

Thats why I am waiting to talk to vet on Monday and see what he says, I have a call into my 2 personal vets that have always dealt with my exotics, this is my sisters vet we have been using. My vets have been given complete detailed information on Gizmo From First day of symptoms to day with back legs, plus how he was found and how he was fed for the first couple weeks after. Both secretaries know me by name so they know if I am calling on a Saturday afternoon its serious.

The reason for my sisters vet is cost and he is closer. My vets are both across town and would have charge at least double for the treatments Giz has already received. The only major difference is the cost of spaying and neutering between the 3 vets. Dr. C is $100 Dr K is $190 and Dr. H is $360.

I know cheaper is not always better, but when a vet can save a dog from a rarely known disease for almost 10 years 25 years ago you give him the benefit of the doubt

LBJ,

Its one of the questions I have asked Dr C and Dr K on. I will know tomorrow am from them and the price, if any, there have been times when they do not charge their pet parents who are having hard financial times, they will just hold off until a later time. Dr H does not think it will help any

After 3 vet visits in as many days(and some labs still waiting on others) News is not good, Dr H said today he has been treating for Pasteurella as well.  

Giz ear is still infected badly, we were told to stop the wash. I have. 

The other vets asked about the rabbits in the yard and if we had found any dead for unknown reasons lately.  Which we have. Babies just out of the nest and a few older adults the bunnies between 6 months – 1 year seem to be doing ok. 

Any way, all 3 vets as of today agree that at this time other than adding a 4th antibiotic that has to be special ordered and prepared($47) that it is a loosing battle even with that.  Though Dr H did get Giz on Critical care today as he is down to 2lbs 5 oz 

Just Got last of the test results back, Whatever Gizzy has thankfully is not EC,or is not showing as EC. but it is systemic.  But on the bright side I did find out my mother over paid one of the vets so he is letting me use those funds for Gizzys tests, but the conssuses even with the pancur is the same I will just be prolonging, Giz has partially lost use of his back legs completely now and cannot stand completely so he doesnt mess himself, he had to have a full bath today.  

LBJ,

I know. Dr C will rerun the test in about 3 weeks.  We are keeping are very close eye on him now. He finishes all his antibiotics this week, and and Dr C and Dr K will not put him on anymore for about a week to give his immune system a break.  

I did get an amount from Dr C on how much mom left on her account and I didnt know she had left so much from the birds on there, which is going to be a big help and relief for me.  He is on the panacur now

Still has not put on any weight and still loosing. thought he is eating, alot, including his critical care diet. I am making 2 tblsps of it a day for him plus 3 cups of salad and his pellets and oats.  Yes vet is ok with this diet and Gizzy is eating it all. 

Giz is now showing signs of legs splay in the front how ever minor.   Not sure where next move will be yet

Thanks

LBJ, 

Vet is weighing having him weighed every other day right now.  His weight yesterday which I didnt say was down to 2 lbs and 1 oz.  with everything he is eating he shouldnt be loosing weight  Even all 3 vets can not figure it out.  Gizmo is eating enough food for 3 bunnies his size and Critical care for 2 bunnies a day.  Plus his teeth,top only are over growing which makes no sense  to me and I noticed it yesterday.  

All 3 vets are working together on Giz. He goes for a weigh in and check up first thing this am.  

Just got in from vet with Giz, even with all the food he is eating, and yes he is going to the bathroom normally, I took stools in for the vet.   Giz now weighs 1 lb 9 oz. 

Yes he has been dewormed, nothing in stools to even show, though sometimes I know it wont.  

Jersey, to answer your question yes there are no ticks.  I would have noticed them by now.

I am at a loss  We did get a solid mass of nasty crap out of his ear this weekend. We Giz did By shaking his head. Came out on its own.   It was about an inch long and white Dr C has it. looks like an over size spaghetti noodle 

Right now we meaning Giz, me and Pepper are all going to take a nap since 2 of the 3 of us are sick and we have a funeral this weekend and midterms due Sunday night by 10 pm. Anyone want to write my English midterm? lol 

Had call from vet this morning. He asked us to come in with Gizmo. Some of the longer test results are in and labs from yesterday. First He has lost another 4 oz over night. Whatever this is, is attacking on all fronts. Vet said to combat and possibly defeat Giz may need to be on antibiotics for up to 6 months.. But that long term use of the antibiotics could kill him..cause kidney failure, host of other issues….So as a pet parent I have to do what best for Gizzy. After a long conversation with all 3 vets, James, grandma and my sister beth … We are stopping all treatments on Gizmo. It will do nothing but prolong the inevitable and I cannot do that. Gizmo, like the rest of us deserves to live his life with dignity and grace. And die in peace. And that is how he will. At home with those who love him. Me, Pepper,Grandma and Beth will be here. We dont know how long he has be has the best of care and love here..and will be kept out of pain as well. Thank you for the support and advice and help. I will let everyone know when he joins my Sasha dog at rainbow bridge

Sooner than we all expected but about 45 minutes ago Gizmo crossed over the Rainbow Bridge to join his doggie sister Sasha and my mom Pepper is laying next his body at the foot of the bed while Beth and Grandma get ready to bury him. 

Vets have the worst timing!

Dr K just called  EC confirmed on his test.  Plus snuffles, the ear infection, and another infection I cant even get into right now.   I had to explain Gizmo had already died and we were just getting ready to bury him outside, properly, wrapped up, in a box etc.  so no other bunnies were exposed to whatever it is he had….Vet said ok and Sorry and gave us a list of a couple more precautions to take, because we live outside city limits we are allowed to bury on our own land.  

Now for the really bad news…I will have to go to hospital myself maybe for a couple days because snuffles can be transferred to humans… which maybe the reason I feel worse today,outside of loosing Gizzy, than I did 2 days ago when I thought it was just a cold. 

So useful trivia for everyone is this: The Pasteurella multocida bacterium can be transferred from your bunny to you.

Thanks Vienna,

Thanks, Azerane and Odette.

Thanks , Jersey, Little, Bam, Gina,and Chelsea.

Gina, I will be checking into the hospital today just as a precaution to make sure I don’t. I just need to get some reading books on my tablet first.

Thanks, LBJ, It is but the Drs are being cautious to be safe, while they did not keep me I am on the correct antibiotic to be treated, plus I have pneumonia, joy, but with I have to follow up tomorrow with my primarys office.

Thanks Pam, everyone here and my family has been great last few days.

We finally got all of Gizzys test results back, and  mine. First Giz.

He did have EC, the ear infection still, and snuffles.  Dr H said if he would have survived it would have been a very long recovery and I did the right thing.  Plus taking care of how he was buried in the yard will keep the other bunnies away from him and prevent the spread of the illnesses. 

Me.  Once my Dr heard I was exposed to the Pasteurella bacterium and Giz had it, Monday he ordered me to go have the test done at the local CDC office since they can get the results faster.   Welcome to Pasteurella Bacterium pneumonia.  The ER PA is getting a very nasty call today from my Dr. for not listening.   I am on the correct antibiotic just not the correct length of time.  So my Dr is extending it to a full 30 days. Especially since I still have a hard time breathing.  I still see him tomorrow.   On the down side I am confined from travel, to visit my father, which means I may not see him again.  But I can not expose him.He has to many issues going with his cancer surgery. Pepper is also being treated as a precaution.  She is on a 14 day cycle of Baytril but she has showing no signs, but the vets want to make sure that ALL bases are covered.  

Gizzys cage will be soaked in a bleach solution then air out in case needed next spring.  The playpen we are not sure yet.

Bam,

Gizzy did but I am glad we finally got a consensus on what he had and that I did the right thing, by not prolonging his life. Its only been just over a week and seems like so long but hurts so much I havent even touched his things yet. Not like I am allowed to anyway. And I wont let anyone else do it. And they have offered to make it easier for me.

As for Dad he does not know how to use Skype. He can barely use a smart phone or computer, give him an 18 wheeler or a a dying rose bush or power tool and he is good. Give him a laptop he can have 10 viruses in 2 minutes. Even with an antivirus on. He has done it. I love him. Dr is going to check me again midweek and hopefully I can be well enough to go, as long as I wear a mask.

I will check into the virkon

Bam,

How can some understand that and others not? I actually got accused of killing Giz intentionally just so I would not have to take care of him. But then this idiot has no idea on how to take care of his own 2 bunnies. He thinks a 2 story hutch is big enough for them with one food and water dish for both and no outside playtime. And he wonders why they have eaten the cage.. I dont put much weight to what he says anyways.

Azerane, 

Because some people on this property cannot understand how Gizzy was alive one hour and gone the next.  And I know there are others around who think the same thing. they just will not say it to me directly.  

One never wants to make the decision to pull meds whether it is for an animal or human. It is a hard decision to do.  And I know I did the right thing for Gizzy in the end so he would not suffer anymore than he had. It was not fair to him. 

Bam,

To me if the details in this thread save just 1 bunnies life or helps any one, then its worth it.  Things can go wrong so quickly with them. Besides it also educates us on how some illnesses can be transferred without the “usual” dog or cat bite or research by DR Google.  

How else are we supposed to learn about it? 

How do we learn not to transfer the illness? 

And without the help I received here, I would have walked into the vets office looking like uninformed owner, I would have never thought of asking questions or doing more research.  This way when I the vet and I did talk we could talk about options and treatments and what it might mean. 

And to those wondering but have not asked, will I get another bunny?  Yes I will. But right now, my health, my dad, and a few other things have to come into play first.