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Forum BONDING Nothing is Changing–bonding 2 males

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    • sealyah
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        I thought that my bun would like to have another rabbit friend around, so I did some research and ended up finding another person that wanted to give their bun up for adoption.  Before adopting though I decided to go over and have a play date. At the time her bun hadn’t been neutered.  During the play date her bun got on top of mine (from the side, not behind) to establish dominance.  At first my bun just sat there and then got out from under him but there was no aggression.  Afterwards my bun just ran from him the whole time.  After a week or so we tried again, this time the play date was at my house (the previous one was at the other person’s home).  I chose to do it in the bathtub, thinking that this would be neutral enough.  This time Prince (my bun) was the one who mounted.  I let him sit there for a couple seconds and then gentle pushed him off.  Then they went up to each other’s face, sniffed a bit, and then started fighting.  Their fighting was too aggressive to allow the play date to go on so I separated them.  I have tried pretty much everything I know: I’ve switched litter boxes, the other male was neutered about 3 weeks ago, I’ve swapped toys, I’ve tried stress bonding them on a car ride, and putting them in an area outside that was neutral, all with no progress. 

        Now the other bun (Buck) is living with us for now, just so that he can get used to this environment and Prince can get used to him.  So far nothing has changed.  They cannot stand each other.  When they see each other they want to fight, they don’t ever really ignore each other.  I feel that this is just not a match.  The good news is that Buck’s owner will take him back if the bonding doesn’t work.  I feel as if it is time to send him back, I just wanted to see if anyone had any other tricks I could try to get them to bond (or at least not fight so aggressively).  Any advice will help! 

        Thanks!!


      • Sindri
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          Try bonding them in a small box. You can pick it up and move it around to break up the fights. try turning on a vacuum also to break up the fights. If its nice outside take the box outside. I had a horrible time bonding my 2 but finally got them bonded using a box. I think there is still some hope for the two yet.
          I am not sure how you have the rabbits set up but I would keep them away from each other. Only let them see each other during bonding. Oh and I forgot to mention that you should take a couple of days off before you restart the bonding process. It will help calm things down. I wish you lots of luck.


        • sealyah
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            Ok so I have a couple follow up questions.
            1. how small should the box be?
            2. how horrible did your 2 males fight, because these too fight VERY aggressively (scratching, biting, punching, etc)

            Thanks for the advice and encouragement!


          • Sindri
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              To answer your question the box size I started out with was just a cardboard box just big enough where they fit closely together. There wasn’t much room to fight.

              I have a male and a female and my male was extremely aggressive toward my female. He would never just greet her and then fight he would blindly start attacking biting ripping fur etc. I would always break up the fights. I have written a thread on my bonding on here. It took around 8 months of on and off bonding to finally get them bonded. At one point I totally gave up. I feel like if I could get those two bonded I think any 2 bunnies could be bonded. The box and stress bonding is what worked. Just be patient and persistent. Hopefully it works for you.

              Oh and once they seem to do okay in the small box you could move up to a bigger one or a bigger space. I built a bonding box with NIC grids. I used it for a long time then went to an xpen made small then full size. When bonding in the xpen I would periodically take them out and stress them in the box. I used a stroller and put their box in it and took them for a short walk outside.

              I hope that helps and let me know how things go with your guys!


            • Kitkat
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                Has your boy been neutered?
                Hmm.. this is a difficult one because on one hand, buck no2 will still have some lingering hormones but yes pretty much any pair can be bonded if the right approach is taken and limitless time allowed but then there’s always the few exceptions that just won’t bond no matter what. Then there’s the question of how long the bond will last? Because there is risk that their bond will be broken, especially if they are being so stubborn at the moment. It seems as though you have tried so many methods to try make this work , which is very commendable, but do you think your bunny is trying to tell you what he really feels?

                If you had the space, time and money, why not keep buck no2 separate and find them both a partner that’s more suited to them? Then you’d have 2 happy pairs instead of one ticking time-bomb of pent up male dominance!


              • Kitkat
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                  Your situation is also more difficult because you have 2 males: notorious for being the most difficult gender combination!


                • mikenyny
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                    This is the case for mature rabbits – and not kits (obviously). With regard to bonding, what I have learned is: if it is going to work, it takes time; although a rabbit can breed after a few months, I have found that bonding mature rabbits can take over 1 year, and then there is still this “territory” business; it never goes away. What I have also found (in some instances) is that once the kits mature, they can be very aggressive towards the parents and grand parents; more so than visa versa.


                  • MoveDiagonally
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                      It can take 4-6 weeks for hormones to calm down after neutering. Since your new boy was neutered 3 weeks ago and you’ve been doing bonding I think this might be a part of the issues you’re having. I would take a break from bonding, keep them separated completely, and in 1-3 weeks try a short session in a neutral area. This can give you a guage of what you’re dealing with absent of any hormones and allow you to build a better plan from there.

                      I have 5 rabbits bonded together. Three males and two females. I don’t think gender has as much to do with bonding as personality.


                    • sealyah
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                        Thank you all for the advice! I have decided to listen to what it seems like my bunny is trying to tell me.  I have seperated them and given Buck back to his original owner.  She gladly took him back, and we both agreed that if we were up for it in about a month we may try to reintroduce them.  For now I am just going to be happy with Prince.  I have expanded his cage and given him some new toys.  So far he is happy that Buck is gone. LOL  I like the bond that I have with him and now we can work on growing closer.


                      • hportland
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                          I wish you luck with this! I am sort of in your same situation and really feel for you. It’s so discouraging when this happens because you desperately want to provide your original rabbit with a friend. I personally just got a second male as a companion to my Dutch male, and I am going to start making a serious effort when my new rabbit is neutered. This will be challenging because 1. My new male is five months, while my Duch is seven years, 2. The new male is not yet neutered,3. The new rabbit is a New Zealand white- he’s big! And 4. They are both males, of course!

                          If you do have success, will you please update me? Perhaps send a message? I really do wish you all the luck in the world!

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