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FORUM BEHAVIOR Litter Box Training Help Needed!

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    • Heather M
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        Hello!

        We got a new bun around 3 weeks ago.  I got him off of a 'free' page with no questions asked so I dont know a lot about him.  he is around 1yr old, grey and white Dutch and his front legs are somewhat splayed, but the vet doesnt think it is too serious. They seem more pronated but he looks like he is swimming when on wood flooring.  So the bottom of his cage has woven throw rugs for now till we get the litter box situation under control.  The previous owners had him in one of those Superpet cages that is plastic on the bottom and wire on the top. they had alfalfa hay on the bottom, and he was going in one corner for the most part. I put a litter box in that corner, but then he stopped going IN it and went next to it instead. The cage was not large so we set him up in an xl dog cage (only one level due to the leg situation) and left both cages open, and he actually seemed to prefer the dog cage. However, he doesnt want to go to the bathroom in it! He seemed to pick a bathroom corner, so I put the litter box in it. He would go next to it instead of in it. Then we cut the whole side off of it  so he wasnt having to hop in and out, just back up a little to use it. Now, except for a few random poops he is holding it till we let him out, then going outside the cage. He has free run of the back yard as we have a fence that we enforced so he cant get out, and he goes out like a dog to use the bathroom. And if we dont let him out right away, he will go by the back door and wait, and eventually use the bathroom there. If we let him run around the house and not outside (like at night) he uses the COUCH as a litter box. I put the top of a bin in the cage so it would take up a big part of it with the intention on going smaller and smaller gradually but he wont use it either. I wouldnt mind letting him outside to go like a dog like he seems to want, but we are in the Chicago area and it is going be a harsh winter coming so this is not ideal. I read up in the litter box training tips on this site, and did try some of them. When i got him he also had an untreated eye injury/ulcer that he is on meds for, then one of our cats bit him because he was mounting him and so now he is on meds for that too! So along with a new home and people he is probably fairly stressed out, though he acts pretty happy go lucky! He is sweet and I really dont want to keep him in the cage much so I would love any ideas anyone has!! He is not our first bun, but the others were fairly easy to train.  Thank you in advance

        Heather


      • RabbitPam
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          It’s a challenging situation with the splayed legs and being a year old already, but with patience you can retrain him I’m sure. I actually don’t think being outside is good for him, especially while trying to train him, so as a rep. of a house rabbit forum, I want to assure you that he would be perfectly content with a life spent indoors. Cutting down (off?) the side of the litter pan was the right thing to try, and that should help with his leg trouble getting in and out of any litter pan.

          You want to follow the suggestions made here, and he will learn litter habits better if he is more confined for a short time until he learns it. He can be in the xpen and run around for supervised periods. When you see him waiting to go, or lifting his tail, scoop him up and set him into the litter pan with lots of praise. Praise him if he goes in it, and give him a little treat, like a pellet or a raisin. He wants to learn a positive association with both the litter box and the behavior that gets him there. Every time you see pee or poops outside the box, soak it with a paper towel or pick it up and put it into the litter box, so he will smell his own scent in there, too. With easy access and positive reinforcement, he should catch on soon. Also, be sure he likes the type of litter you use. He may find it too rough if his legs are sensitive, so try a soft shaving, like Aspen shavings (never Pine shavings) or a soft paper like Carefresh. It just may feel better to him and be attractive, like the ground has been. Be sure he isn’t cramped in too small a box, and set it in any corner he’s chosen.

          If you need advice on disabled rabbits, the HRS at http://www.rabbit.org is a good source of info. Also, Cats, Rabbits & More is a website with a whole section devoted to care of disabled and geriatric rabbits. Might find some good tips there for bunnies with splay. I checked out those sources when my senior bunny Spockie had lost use of his back legs. This was years ago and before I found the BB site.


        • BinkyBunny
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            Adding on to what Pam said – as it is important for him to associate his litterbox with his pee/poo.    So, do you have a way to put any of his pee and poo from where he went outside? I know you said he waits until he goes outside, but does that mean he both pees and poos outside? (the pile type poo, not the marking random poos).  

            What kind of litter do you use? Some bunnies are sensitive to certian textures or scents. How are his feet? Any sore hocks that would make it a bit more uncomfortable if he is stepping on pelleted litter? 

             


          • Heather M
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              Thank you so much for all the info and advice!

              BB-I have been putting poop in the litter box (which at this point is a bin lid as I was hoping to go smaller and smaller as he started using it) with a pelleted newspaper litter. He doesn’t have sore hocks or anything that I can see. His nails were quite long when we got him, but I am cutting them back slowly. He does pee and poops outside, I am not sure if it is the piles or random marking. He peed on the couch again today and I absorbed some and put that in the litter box. I also tried just putting a throw rug in the litter box with the intention of slowly adding the litter to it but haven’t been able to get him to go.

              RabbitPam-I will try some other litters, we have cats and rats too so we have a variety and I will go to the store tomorrow. Even with no litter it is hard to get him to go in his cage and he holds it all night (we let him out around 11p supervised for the last time) then first thing in the morning. But I don’t think this is good for him. His splaying is actually pretty corrected when he is outside and he is able to run pretty fast, moreso than I orignially thought. The vet said his legs were probably pronated (front only) due to malnutrition as an infant (maybe early weaning?) and did not think it was something that would get progressively worse but only time will tell on that. He can also go up and down stairs and jump on and off the couch (though I am discouraging the couch since he uses it as a litter box by putting the cushions up). I do think he is doing some marking as well and trying to figure out the cats, they were excellent with our previous bun and there were no issues, but “Twitch” goes after only one of them in a way the cat does not appreciate

              Thank you again for all the info and advice! I meant to ask too….I saw on one site that using lemon essential oil could be a deterrent to keeping them off furniture? We let all of our pets on the furniture and I wouldn’t care that he was going on the couch but he has peed on it 6 times already and it is only 1yr old. And I def want to discourage that!! When I give him his med, eye drops and probiotics I do it on the couch hoping he would want to stay away from it but no such luck!


            • BinkyBunny
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                You may need to confine him in the house to a pen until he masters his litter box habits and then gradually allow more freedom as he gets it. Does he use his litter box as his bed? You said you put poops in his box but it may be helpful if you soak up some urine with a paper towel and put part of the soaked paper towel in the litter box. Is he neutered? Sorry if you stated this before.

                Also, you said you have other animals and unfortunatley this can cause marking from your bunny, especially if he is newish to the home. Maybe once he gets used to this being his home and feels more secure he will mark less. But that really hard to say. Best to not let bad habits set in and confine to a xpen attached to his cage for a while….could be a few weeks and then supervise during further exploration and as soon as he lifts his tail to pee, escort him to the litter box and as soon as he pees there, give a treat.

                You may have a bunny that will always pee on the couch. I had that same problem too. I was able to put a stop to it by being persistant for months about not letting him on the couch. As soon as he looked up and was prepping to jump, I would stop him and say no. If he jumped up, he would be immediately shooed off. I would pile up pillows to block him when I couldn’t watch him for a moment. Over time he just seemed to get that he wasn’t allowed. And then a couple years later I actually tried to see if he would come up on the couch and not pee. I actually put him up there a couple of times and he wanted no part of it. He’d jump right off. So he went from a bunny that would freely jump on the couch and pee and chew to avoiding itball together. Some bunnies do just fine and its great but for those that persist to pee and or chew, sometimes restricting access is the only solution.


              • Priya
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                  Got a similar problem here. He is 6 months old, been trying to litter train him since he was 5 weeks old (thats when we got him)…total failure. He goes in his litter box and everywhere in his cage AND everywhere in our living room. He has some fav. spots so we tried putting the litter box in those areas…he would just ignore them and go to a different spot. We’d move it there, he’d go and mark his territory everywhere. It’s just the 3 of us here, and he chases me around a lot (my husband jokes about bunny seeing him as the rival :p). We tried multiple litter boxes. He just ignored. I don’t know what else to do but let him do what he does and clean up after him. He isn’t neutered (will be next month), so I’m hoping it will help a little then.


                • BinkyBunny
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                    Priya,  in your case I think your bunny is driven by hormones since he is at 6 months.  Though it should improve after a month or so after surgery, its best not to let bad habits set in. Supervision and limiting access is still important.  Giving too much freedom too fast is not good for even newly adopted already neutered bunnies as they need to understand that their territory is separate from the shared neutral territory.

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