Well, the very sad thing is that many children do get dumped or abused because their parents aren’t able to take care of them. Children are a huge huge commitment and I admire parents…I think they face huge challenges and make huge sacrifices to be parents….it has to be hard work!

as a life long nanny and new bunny lover.. i can say both are hard work and take lots of patience and love…kiddos much louder though

As soon as I saw this topic, I chuckled.

I work in grocery and yesterday, this mother did not want her child grabbing stuff off the candy rack (WHY do they put candy at the register?!?!) and made him put it back. He started throwing a fit and crying.

It makes me SO HAPPY to have a rabbit that doesn’t throw fits.. well, she does throw fits, but she can get away with it because.. well, shes cute.

They put candy at the register because it sells more that way – impulse buys, parents giving into children.

Yeah I much prefer my rabbits to human kids. Though, honestly, I get along fine with kids – I just treat them like little adults. If they do something bad, I explain it to them in simple terms they can understand why it’s bad to do it. Never really had a kid continue to act up a lot when I babysat them, even the 3 year old neglected on tons of meds for behaving poorly boy that my fathers girlfriend took off her daughter. Honestly have more trouble with the parents (your kid got a tiny scratch from a dog, it’s not life threatening, he doesn’t need the emergency room). But at least when rabbits are being bratty they are really cute about it.

Parenthood is very difficult. And it’s ever-changing. At no point does it become “easy”. I remember when my son was first born thinking, “I can’t wait til he sleeps through the night and is walking!” Then when that happened, I thought, “I wish he’d sit down so I could stop chasing him!” And now it’s nearly impossible to wake him up in time for school when before I would have given my left kidney for 6 uninterrupted hours of sleep.

Rabbits are simple in that once they “grow up”, you have a routine, and it doesn’t change for a very long time. With children, every year brings new challenges. AND, you have the additional responsibility of educating them, teaching values, and explaining the way the world works. We joke about how demanding our buns are, but bunnies are definitely easier.

I’m afraid my bunnies have put just as many, if not more, grey hairs on my head just for worry of them.
Have to admit, they are much quieter, (I can think of times I wish they COULD talk) they do keep good routines and at least they eat all their veggies.

Lol- I have 2 teenagers- of course I prefer my bunnies to kids! Just kidding, my kids are pretty good but still give me my share of problems. My daughter knows JUST how to really p*ss me off too- having a 13 year old girl is an exercise in patience- I’m not big on exercise of any sort :p .
I know what you guys mean about bratty little kids- we have a motorcycle and a 35 Ford hotrod and I can;t count the amount of times some moron parent let their kids climb all over the car/bike. I alwats taught my kids not to touch things that belong to someone else, and wherever they make a mess somebody will have to lean it up- so don’t do it.
A HUGE plus with bunnies is that they don’t talk, drive or ask for $$.

Oh Dee, don’t let my hubby know you have that old Ford…he’d be wanting to bribe you out of it! He’s got old pieces of Model A’s in front of his museum that people not only stop to ogle and fondle, bit they’ve taken choice pieces off them too.
I do not understand parents who don’t insist their kids learn to respect other’s property or space. That’s basic kindergarten stuff.

Alot of parents these days just don’t seem to care. Kids get away with stuff that my mom would have spanked me good for.

That said, I think more kids need more spankings! It works!

And bunnies 4 life. Kids for never!

I don’t know about kids. I do know that as I could lose my patience and temper with a little 5lb bunny within nanoseconds (Eddie), I’m so not ready for kids. LOL

Oh….I heard on the news today that they have found that the majority of children were misdiagnosed with AHDH or whatever it is. And that these kids were generally not getting enough sleep. IMAGINE THAT! Talk about a DUH thing. I have never bought that all these kids actually had attention deficit disorder. Especially when they could freaking play video games all day. Stepping off my soapbox now.

And yes, I generally prefer bunnies to kids too. lol

Posted By Monkeybun on 09/20/2011 05:11 PM

That said, I think more kids need more spankings! It works!

Ahahahahahaha YES!  I couldn’t get away with half of the things kids nowadays are getting away with. You just have to scare children enough to keep them in line. 

I have the same feelings. I have been babysitting for many years and after having rabbits I have decided to that I don’t want any kids. I am not married and single at the moment. I love that my fur kids don’t talk back to me and they love me no matter what and when I leave for a night I don’t have to get a babysitter. I decided this a few years ago. I like kids but I love to send them home to there parents at the end of the day. I love love rabbits and glad that they get to stay with me at the end of the day. As for noise my sunshine can make probably as much noise as a 2 year old can. She gets pretty noisey!

Yeah I’d prefer bunnies to kids *says the pregnant lady*   I completely understand about your nephew!  My neice and newphew run around like crazy; the parents don’t watch them when people are over or if they’re over someone else’s home.  Everytime we’d see them I’d just think “there’s no way I’m having a kid” but we eventually convinced ourselves that our child wouldn’t be at all like that because the way they handle their kids and what we’d do is completely opposite.  But rabbits are quieter and you can put them in a cage whenever.  I still have a wide eyed look when I see them or hear a screaming kid in a department store that the parent is ignoring (how can someone ignore something so loud?!).  We used to say “Are you sure you still want one” and now it’s “I guess it’s to late to change our mind”   Gracie is my first “child” though since I take care of her all the time, I think she’s preparing me for the future.

My parents never did spankings or hit me at all but my mother had her own way of making sure we didn’t get out of line – she would NEVER have put up with us throwing a tantrum in public, acting up when we were eating out, kicking the back of seats etc. I don’t believe in physical punishment for kids any more than I do for pets, but my mothers way of handling us seemed to work well lol but my grandmother was the real master – she could make my 14 year old, rebelling brother who tried to bully me and started back talking adults CRY just by talking to him for a few minutes, only person who could make him cry at all for anything.

Out of control kids are not the kids fault, it’s the parents for allowing it. I have 2 kids and each day brings a new challenge, but I would not trade it for the world. I have great kids that I can take anywhere because I have been consistant and they know what is expected of them. That said, I think my bunnies rock! But, bunnies over kids? No way. Lots of tears, lots of laughs and seeing life through a child’s eyes is something I am so blessed to experience!

When I was little, it was often the threat of the spanking that worked. But seriously. Spankings work. A quick swat on the rear I mean, not a full out with a belt or wooden paddle kind of spanking.

I have a 14 yr old girl and it depends on the day if I like Arthur more than her. I had her very very young so I was always scared of her becoming a teenager but it hasn’t been as bad (so far) as I feared. I think the two biggest things to do are 1. Pick your battles. If you have a kid who is well behaved, polite, harworking and a good student; do you really need to get on thier case about not making thier bed EVERY day? Yes it shows responsibility and taking care of one’s things but are they responsible in other ways? Do they help you shovel show or rake the yard? And 2 (which I feel is the most important) always FOLLOW THROUGH with what you say, which goes a long with: kids knowing the consequences BEFORE the action and then the following through with the punnishment. My daughter has lost her birthday party, going out for halloween and a bag full of toys to the garbage man. It killed me to punnish her but I knew the lesson she’d learn would be more valuable.

Of course thier are variables such as the child’s age and personality that come into play but I think these two rules have helped me in the long run.  Most parents do thier best and that’s all we can do.

All in all I have a fantastic kid. I’ve never had anyone refuse to sit her or take her; I always get asked for her. She’s slept over friend’s houses and the parents always tell me she’s welcome back anytime. She still loves to sit on the couch and watch a movie and snuggle with me. She hugs and kisses me goodbye in the morning before school and she asks me how my day was at work. I am very proud of my daughter.

STILL, sometimes Arthur is just more tolerable, especially during my daughter’s “time of the month”. LOL!

Posted By Monkeybun on 09/20/2011 05:11 PM
Alot of parents these days just don’t seem to care. Kids get away with stuff that my mom would have spanked me good for.

That said, I think more kids need more spankings! It works!

And bunnies 4 life. Kids for never!

My mom held me over her leg and spanked me in the arse a few good times, also I got soap in the mouth for cussing.

Yep, I guess I turned out okay. Well, we had our conflict when I was a teenager, but I never did bad things.. unlike my brother.

I can’t see myself having children in my 20’s. Maybe sometime in my 30’s. I’m fine with one kid. Will I get in trouble for spanking my kid?  I’ve heard so many debates about it, but when I was little, I KNEW that I did naughty things so.. I deserved it

Arthur’s Mom – HAHAHA.. I remember the time when I first started ‘the time of the month’ I screamed and my mom freaked out! 

My dad is fine with one grandchild. She hops on 4 feet, gives me rabbittude, thumps, and loves to be an oinker.

I got spanked too. But with me, THE LOOK usually worked. Not so much for my brother. lol And spanking was always the last resort. My mom spanked me and my dad spanked my brother. We were always told why we were getting spanked, that our parents didn’t want to or like having to do it, we got comforted and told we were loved. So I never felt I was abused. We weren’t hit any other time either. My opinion is that spanking is ok as a last resort.

But I don’t know that I could spank my kids though. I don’t think I could handle that. I very lightly tapped Eddie on the head once when he bit me really hard. It made me so freaking mad. My instinct was to really smack him a good one, but I just very lightly tapped him. He had no clue what was going on so he was oblivious to it. But I felt so horrible about it, I had to go apologize and give him kisses and treats. So yeah….I doubt I’d be able to do anything like spanking to any kids I have. LOL

I had a friend who got smacked upside the head and stuff like that all the time. To me, it sounded borderline abusive, but she didn’t think anything of it because, as she said, her and her brother deserved getting smacked. lol So it’s all relative. I don’t think spanking or hitting of any kind should be anything but an absolute last resort.

I always tell people that rabbits do make great pets but they really are like having a toddler sometimes. Just into everything, pushing the boundaries, attention seeking (good or bad), etc. LOL At this point, I would much rather have a few pets than kids.

This topic made me chuckle too.

LBJ10- Your nephew sounds like my 2 year old nephew! My sister has 3 kids, 2 girls who are 7 and 9 and a boy who is 2. The girls are absolute dolls and they were always really well behaved and adorable. While I love my nephew very much he drives me crazy when I spend a lot of time with him. He’s a very needy kid that always has to be the center of attention or he’s whining and having tantrums. I get so annoyed when I see how my sister spoils him so much which just makes him worse. He’s the baby and he totally works it. It’s great for me that my sister has kids though, since I most likely will never have any. I get to enjoy them, take them out, and then bring them back home.

I’ve always said that I never wanted kids, just animals. Now that I’ve settled down with my man I have thought about kids more but I also don’t think I could handle it. I’m very high stress and sometimes when I’m out I see kids having temper tantrums and the parents are just standing there like they couldn’t care less…Nope, not for me. I also don’t know how I could possibly manage time-wise. My animals take up so much of my time and I see so many people that get pregnant and sell their horse because they don’t have the time and/or money for it. Winnie is my baby and I would never be able to part with her and if I had a baby there is no way I could afford the luxury of a horse.

And sometimes I think, what if I had a baby and the baby was horribly allergic to my animals? What would I do? I could never part with my animals. Pets are for life.

I’m a little shocked by this thread. You just cannot compare *other people’s* children to the experience you yourself would have as a parent. I am the first to admit, I don’t always like *other people’s* children. And I never really wanted children as a teenager (most don’t!), but it happens unexpectedly sometimes. NOW… obviously, my own child is my reason for being. LPT makes an important point about “settling down with her man”. Not always, but often enough, the people who adamantly do not want children, just haven’t found the person they want to have children with. In 5 or 10 years when they meet “the one”, that is when a child may bring “completeness” to their lives.

As far as ignoring temper tantrums in public, this is the recommended way of addressing the problem. If the child throws a temper tantrum and the parent gives in or offers comfort, all this does is reinforce the behavior. One of my biggest pet peeves is when people who do not have children, think they know better than parents on how to raise and discipline children. Honestly, you don’t. All parents are different, and individual children are different. Methods that work for one child may not work for the other child. Sure there are some parents who, frankly, kinda suck… but I still don’t think this gives you the right to criticize them.

I agree with Beka. We do have many people on our forum who are parents and I think this post is a bit alienating to them. Let’s try not to bash children or parents – we were all kids once after all. And like I said before, it can’t be easy being a parent :~)

Remember too that there are many abused children out there and many children looking for a forever home, just like animals…they are the innocent ones too.

Sorry if I offended anyone I didn’t mean to i was just stating my experience.

Posted By kamdynandsunshinesmom on 09/21/2011 07:19 AM
Sorry if I offended anyone I didn’t mean to i was just stating my experience.

I wasn’t offended by your post.  If anything, I’d want you to enter clear-headed into any decisions you make.  I also had some bad baby-sitting experiences as a young teenager.  I think that’s more the children saying “Woohoo, mom and dad are gone… let’s goof off.”  That has no bearing on how YOUR children would be, and I (personally) don’t feel that alone should influence such a life-altering decision as to whether or not to have your own kids.  I know people choose to not have children for a variety of reasons, and sometimes they don’t choose, life just happens that way.  But I can’t see a 90-year-old woman saying with her final breath, “Thank goodness I never had children.  Those brats I babysat when I was 13 were AWFUL!”  

Yes I get what your saying. I know if I chose some day to have kids I think I would adpot there are so many kids in the world that need a good home. Alot of kids do think because mom and dad are gone they can goof off and disrespect others. I personally love raising rabbits over kids and my dream someday is to own my own rabbit rescue group. I did babysit a 4 year old from the time she was a baby and she was an angel to watch. I know sometimes kids aren’t planned and some people want kids but just can’t have them. It isn’t easy raising rabbits either. Its funny thought my mom isn’t looking anytime soon to become a grandma but she does refer to my rabbits as her grandkids and i tell my rabbits that my mom is there grandma it is cute because when I tell sunshine grandmas home she gets all excited!

I get along with the kids I babysit, but I still don’t want kids. I much prefer an animal that I can cage (well, baby gate into a 3 room area ) when I go out, or if I just really need a break from them I can hire a petsitter and go on vacation. Can’t do that with kids, they’d arrest you for caging them. Seriously though, if I were to ever decide to raise a child I would rather adopt one, since there are thousands of kids in foster homes just like homeless pets, but I don’t see myself doing that for a really, really, really long time, if ever.

Parents have it tough but I think everyone (including other parents) get annoyed with a lot of them.. like the go to see an R rated movie and have to listen to a 5 year old scream his head off through the whole thing. I think that is more where most of these posts come from, not the normal kids acting up – that is tolerable and expected.

Chacha, legally no you wouldn’t get in trouble unless you left marks. But you might get some people coming up to you and stating their opinion. Personally, I disagree with it because I just can’t see myself raising a hand to anything that can’t defend itself (pet, child, whatever) for any reason. But it isn’t abuse if you don’t take it too far, so it’s up to the parent to decide what they want to do on that matter.

I agree with you sticker if I decided to have one many years down the road I would adpot one. What I think cracked me up though was the people I sat for the dad asked me i don’t know what to do with my kids and asked me how he should raise his kids. I am a person that doesn’t have kids and you really shouldn’t be asking someone who doesn’t have kids how to raise your kids. I can only imagine how hard it is raising kids. Becuase kids can talk back.

Some of these responses made me laugh!

I’m generally not a kid kind of person. I tend to like older kids, maybe 4-10 – once they’re in that cute stage where they think you’re cool and want to hear what you have to say. Haha.

Some day I think we’ll have a kid. Definitely no more than one! DH and I were both very good kids, so I hope we’ll have an easy kid as well. I do feel very bad for parents who get the kids who aren’t as easy. You can be a great parent and get a really willful kid. It’s so easy to look down on the parents of the screaming kids in stores, but I just think that someday that might be me! Toddlers all have meltdowns and sometimes the best parenting in the world won’t prevent one and all you can do is remove them from the situation or ignore – giving in will only make it worse for you and the kid, though it might temporarily make things better for the other shoppers.

I’d definitely say that I like my bunnies (and other animals) more than kids – at least other people’s kids! I’m sure when I have my own it will be very different.

eta: I should’ve just agreed with Beka – she said it better than I could. Of course there are awful parents who really don’t care. There are also parents who really care, but just don’t know what they’re doing wrong (ever watched Super Nanny? The parents obviously care, just don’t have a clue about how to fix their problems). I’m grateful that my mom deals with kids all day (as a family psychologist/therapist) so she has a million methods for dealing with willful kids.

And because I can’t help myself, I’ll add my two cents and say I don’t agree with spanking. I’m not saying it’s never ever called for or will harm your child for life, but I think there are more effective ways to discipline and teach (just as there are more effective ways to discipline and teach dogs, horses, bunnies, etc) I guess I just don’t think that spanking is the one simple answer to fixing all bratty kids.

LBJ, I definitely agree that it’s super annoying when people bring their kids to inappropriate places. I was in a Banana Republic once and this woman had two little kids with her. She kept going into the dressing room to try on a million things while the kids ran wild and the store workers had to try and deal with them (of course without telling them to stop anything, since they didn’t want the mom to get mad). If she can’t get away from the kids to go shopping, then order online or something! It wasn’t the kids’ fault that they were bored and tired and had nothing to do – I’d be a bit bratty too if I were them.

So yeah, that kind of stuff really annoys me and I agree that it can be the result of a parent’s bad judgement. Kids just aren’t going to be able to behave in situations like that.

And sorry about the anti-spanking rant! Like I said, I don’t think it’s the worst thing you could do to your kids and everyone needs to figure out what works best for their kid, I just think it’s far to simplistic to say that everything would be great if everybody just spanked their kids again.

Hmm. Don’t make noise, eat all their food and don’t talk back? What are all these ignored oxbow pellets, foot flicks and thumps and the huge ruckus I get at 6am every morning then? I got defective rabbits!

Elroh, yeah my family has luck in that department too – my grandmother had NINE of her own children and then worked as a nanny later in her life, so she goes around helping everyone with how to handle their kids in my family. lol Until she got sick she was “the” babysitter in the family and she’s still the advice giver. She raised eleven children in her house (8 of her own since one didn’t make it past the hospital + 3 adopted from her daughter) I cannot even imagine how anyone could do that. Have to respect anyone who has that much patience. I think it would drive me insane to have that many anythings depending on me, kids or pets.

Does anyone else think their bunnies are seriously comparable to having children? I mean, they eat all the time, they poop all the time, and I don’t know about anyone else’s rabbits, but mine do “talk” back to me! Lol. I seriously have to consider everything that I do now because of them. “Can I take this many classes this semester and be away from them that long? Do I have time to go to the gym today? I haven’t seen them in like 4 hours. Mom, Dad, I can’t go home for Christmas this year because the bunnies just don’t do well with that much driving. Oh here’s a part time job. This will give the rabbits a little bit more money every month so I can get more kinds of hay.” Ohmygosh, and then I start thinking like, “what will happen after I graduate? I probably won’t have a stable life for YEARS. Can I move them across the country every few months?”
I think I could deal with the day to day stuff of having a kid, but that is a big difference from having a bunny. But in all seriousness, and I might get blasted by actual parents out there for this, my rabbits factor into my life as much as anything. I can’t imagine that a kid would be that different in that particular aspect. That being said, I think being pregnant sounds fun and giving birth, maybe not actual fun- but SO exciting. And taking the baby home.. I would totally do that. BUT I just don’t think I’ll ever have the time! Not while these two little ball and chains stick around, at least.

Wow, Sticker, that’s a lot of kids!! Props to her because there’s no way I could handle that. She must have so much patience.

It’s funny that my mom is so good with kids because originally she and my dad didn’t want any. They were married for 10 years when they decided to have me and definitely only wanted one, but she helps so many people with their kids. Growing up my neighbors’ kids (who we’re very close to) were so bad. They weren’t horrible kids, but just got into everything and were very willful (I think one has ADHD, which doesn’t help). My mom set the neighbor up with a behavior chart (they get stickers and small things when they do certain things every day, etc) and they improved so fast! Their mom wasn’t a bad parent, she just couldn’t figure out how to handle them – once they saw things written down and were proud of brushing their teeth, or going to bed, or whatever, they were so much better behaved in general. Things like behavior charts are something I don’t hear people talk about often, so I’m glad my mom knows all the tricks. I’m sure I’ll be asking her for advice all the time!

My S.O. and I have decided on no human kids.. although I do want goat kids someday! That’s up for discussion between us now though. I’m happy with our bunny kids. Bunnies have a high fun to maintenance ratio.

Well I hope no one thinks I meant anything against parents, children or the difficult job it is to be either one. There’s no manual written for how to perfectly raise a child, so we’ve all made our share of mistakes. I also didn’t start out wanting children or to be married, but I couldn’t imagine my life now even if I only had bunnies to care for. It would really be missing something.
That being said, I’m pretty sure there were a few days that my kids could be THOSE kids. Every child has their bad days and mine were no exception. I can only hope I taught them well enough to become decent adults. And yup, there’s still times when I have my doubts on that subject…lolz.

I think it’s easy for people without kids to say that they’d so much rather stick to having rabbits, but I suspect you’d be hard pressed to find a parent that regrets having kids and wish they’d only had rabbits instead!  All in all, I feel like it’s a kind of apples-to-oranges thing.

Posted By MimzMum on 09/21/2011 01:19 PM
I can only hope I taught them well enough to become decent adults. And yup, there’s still times when I have my doubts on that subject…lolz.

Haha, that’s exactly what my mom tells me these days – that she can no longer make my decisions for me, but she can only hope that whatever upbringing she tried to give me will help me make my own decisions.  I was a pretty shy and subdued kid myself, so hopefully if I had any myself they would be similar…though my mom’s favorite exasperated line is “well someday you’ll have a daughter just like yourself and then you’ll know how I feel!”

Myself…not sure how I feel about kids.  I’m going to be in school/training with crazy hours until I’m 30, and very possibly even longer than that…after which I will be working hard starting at the bottom of the ladder (and paying off school loans, hah), which doesn’t seem a good time for maternity leave.  I know that there are plenty of female physicians that have successfully raised their kids, and props to them, but I don’t know if I could handle it.  Overall, the inconvenience of timing plus my general lack of interest in having kids anyways..mehhh.

I feel the same way, Tate!

I hope no one was offened by my post. I was just sharing my personal experience with raising my own daughter and what has worked for me and that some days I prefer my bun over her. My boyfriend and I (not her dad) have decided not to have any more kids. Not that I would be upset if it did happen though (him also). I had my daughter just after turning 16 and now im just getting my life back. Starting all over again would be tough. By the time we are in a house and settled my daughter will be about 17. So pets and being the cool aunt and uncle are ok with me!

 I have both. I am glad I have both. I respect it is not for everyone. I chose and enjoy my life, but would not wish it on someone else who did not want it too.

I am a very tolerant person. And despite my understanding and easygoing personality, I will not put up with anything that I do not want to/have to put up with. It makes me cringe to see what kids get away with, or how parents just let their kids do what ever they want these days. Man I did not get away with anything as a kid. My sister and I were always little angels. My friends parents used to joke that they wanted to trade my mom their daughter for me.

Back on topic though, I like all my pets more then I like people.

I think that I just like animals way more than most humans!

Neither hubby nor I want kids. We’ve both felt this way since we were very young (and before we even met). We’re at the age now where all of our friends are reproducing at a bunny-like rate, and while they are fun to visit with, i’m always glad to come home to my quiet house. The kitties can make an awful lot of noise when they want to, but it’s still nothing compared to a screaming child.

What makes me ashamed of my generation is not the lack of discipline (most of these parents are really good with instilling an idea of proper behavior in their kids) but rather some of these NAMES! – seems to me that a lot of my peers find joy in opening up the dictionary and picking a random word to name their child (Platinum, Ocean, Tomorrow…..ACTUAL CHILDREN) It boggles my mind.

….. Platinum? O_O;;; OCEAN??? TOMORROW??!?!?!??!?!

When is Tomorrow’s appointment?
Tomorrow.

.________.

The poor children.

I had a customer whose daughter was having a baby, and one of the names that was considered was.. Remington. Isn’t that a company? O_o;

Remington!?! HAH. Yeah, LoveChaCha, it’s a company. They make firearms.

Crazy, crazy people…. I recently learned of a young lady deciding to name her unborn baby Banjo. Because, yknow, it’s the cat’s name. And they spent like, 2 hours trying to decide what to name the cat, and she just didnt want to lose that investment. O.o WHAT?

I wonder what it’s like for these kids in school, and I wonder even more what it’s like for them to try and find jobs. I just couldn’t take someone seriously as a professional if I worked with them and their name was Zen or Starshine. I mean, I know that it should be more of a reflection on parents, but it just ends up making the child look like an idiot through no fault of their own.

Remington was a name long before it was a firearms company lol. It was named after the person who founded the company.

Hoax or not, I read something on FB: If I get 1 million likes, my wife will name our child *insert Transformers name here*

 Now that is prejudical and kinds just mean. You hold something against someone because they were born to idiot parents? Wow, maybe people here are a bit meaner than I thought. My step sister’s name is Sunrise. She didn’t ask for that. She graduated high school, got a Bachelor’s degree and you discount her because her Mom was a hippy? Hmmmmm….

They want their child to be unique.

My dad used to work for Social Security and he got some names that were extremely unique…

I love unique names. I would actually love to have a baby just for the naming part (lolz, not a good reason to have a kid, I’m just saying). But I like “unique” not “stupid” names. Celebrities name their babies such horrible names.