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- 02/17/2011 at 10:03 PM
  cactuspancake
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  Well two days ago when I first brought jasmine home, she was in the livid room and when I was putting Franz in te kitchen he got away from me an leaped across the room and my boyfriend andni were unable to restrain him an he bit Jasmines ear pretty badly. The vet said it looked good and that we were lucky it was just her ear. I told her about their first meeting and how he rolls on her scent after the incident and flops near her box and seems happy and same with her. BUT when they see eachother, Franz turns into a demon. He nippe her through the bars so I made it double duty. Now when he sees ER he charges the bars and tries to get at her. She responds very calmly always a sweetie. So I set up a neutral space downstairs by the neighbor’s door. They seemed ok with the gates we took it away. I was on Jasmine And mike on Franz. He kept wanting to attack her. Jasmine made an advance and we backed up. She grabbed him and humped the crap out of him! Right after, there was a nasty squabble an a pile of. Hair. And frustration. Everyime they lookat eachother Franz wants blood! I this normal at the beginning? I feel like I’m causing this to happen. Tomorrow we are going to x pen th condo in, and let jasmine run around In Fanz’s Room . I du nno cause if I was Franz I’d be pissed off too having a stranger steal my things!
- 02/17/2011 at 10:48 PM
  lashkay
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  You can apply a drop of vanilla on Franz’s and Jasmine’s noses and it will mask their scent from being picked up by the other bunny. It may help in keeping Franz from being territorial and take away his impulse to fight.
- 02/18/2011 at 1:17 AM
  Monkeybun
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  I would try just housing them near each other, so they constantly smell each other. Even without dates for a bit, having them being able to smell each other without contact may help.
  
  And make sure when moving bunnies around that they can’t get away from you
- 02/18/2011 at 3:26 AM
  Beka27
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  This is normal. My rabbits went from vicious fighting to snuggling in 3 weeks. But it’s vital that you keep going, be consistent, and have bonding sessions for as long as you can each day.
- 02/18/2011 at 8:40 AM
  cactuspancake
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  Thanks for the advice, I DO have vanilla. I set up the xpen around Franz’s condo last night and I plan to let Jasmine hang out as long as possible in the room. We did it last night for a bit to calm them down after a bad bonding session, and Franz was going crazy and spraying and stuff but he went abou his business after drinking and resting, also cleaning. Jasmine always goes to investigate him but no angry stuff like Franz. When his fur was pokin through the gate, she laid down with her face in it, it was pretty cute. Franz is definitely the aggressor here. Is my setup ok? My vet said not to worry about territory anymore as far as housing because Franz already knows she’s in the house. I used my house entrance (seperate room) as the neutral space, but I don’t think it’s neutral enough? The vet told me to keep them housed next to eachother in Franz’s room for awhile before movin on so that’s what I’m aiming for.
- 02/18/2011 at 8:46 AM
  cactuspancake
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  Beka, I was looking for your bonding journal but I couldn’t find it (the search is being weird) can you link it for me?
- 02/18/2011 at 8:59 AM
  cactuspancake
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  Beka, I was looking for your bonding journal but I couldn’t find it (the search is being weird) can you link it for me?
- 02/18/2011 at 10:43 AM
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  If you find the aggression does not ease up in the pen setup which is a larger space, you might want to experiment with very small containment such as a kitchen sink. If you find it works, give them a week’s worth of daily meetings in it to spend time with each other.
- 02/18/2011 at 6:07 PM
  cactuspancake
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  He’s so bad that at this point someone will lose an eye if they touch I think. Michael and I talked about it and we don’t think they could handle being pressed up against eachother. Franz growls and will even lunge at me when he gets within a few inches of her. I just made another setup that’s looking good, I’ll post pics in a few minutes and get a video of their behavior.
- 02/18/2011 at 6:20 PM
  cactuspancake
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  He’s so bad that at this point someone will lose an eye if they touch I think. Michael and I talked about it and we don’t think they could handle being pressed up against eachother. Franz growls and will even lunge at me when he gets within a few inches of her. I just made another setup that’s looking good, I’ll post pics in a few minutes and get a video of their behavior.
- 02/18/2011 at 10:30 PM
  cactuspancake
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  I have a video now, I’m going to start talking bout this stuff in my bonding journal . I will post the video there now
- 02/18/2011 at 11:06 PM
  LoveChaCha
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  With the small space, franz may not have any room to act out. It causes the rabbits to snuggle together. Even in a small nic cube on a washing machine. The stressors make them rely on each other. I hope franz stops acting out
- 02/18/2011 at 11:25 PM
  cactuspancake
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  Ok I will try it in a few days after they calm down I need a bunny muzzle lol
- 02/19/2011 at 8:13 AM
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  The forced snuggle box requires yourgloved hands to restrain them, it can be intense but you need to start somewhere. Depending on the degree of hostility, you can add in stressors to keep them from attacking. For example, run the faucet behind them in the sink if you are using the sink as a space. If you use a box, set it on your lap and bounce your knees. They will attack in any setup right now, but your best bet is a space where they cannot take a run at each other.
- 02/19/2011 at 11:55 PM
  cactuspancake
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  Petzy!!! Thanks SO much for encouraging me to do this. Luckily, our washer and dryer are in a dark scary basement so it’s very unfamiliar. They did AMAZING! Franz didn’t seem to mind at all that he was in a box with her. She was really scared but she mounted him once, and then he turned around nasty but I sprayed him with water and it worked instantly. She then presented herself for mounting but he didn’t do anything. She got bold shoving her face under him and pushing him and he let her do it. I think she’s trying to be in charge and luckily she doesn’t instigate at all. I wasn’t even worried about her! No fur lost or anything! Just a lot of fake snuggling lol.
- 02/21/2011 at 5:54 PM
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  Great! They will need many of those sessions, so be patient
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