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Forum HOUSE RABBIT Q & A Not the ears, again!

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    • MimzMum
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        So as I go to clean pens tonight, I see Fiver is holding his right ear up, but his left ear down. Oh great.

        I put on my coke-bottle glasses and the headlamp and peered down inside his ear. A little wax, but otherwise squeaky clean…nothing I can see except for a small scratch on the outside of the flap. Minuscule stuff. So I don’t think he’s necessarily injured it, (even though I just trimmed his nails and they seem kind of spiky in some spots) but it’s always possible he might have a piece of hay or hayseed down there. (We did just switch hays also, perhaps an allergy?) Since I know I can’t properly see down the ear canal, I won’t linger with it if he seems to really be having trouble…but I figured I should clean out the pinna anyway, which I did.

        So I opted to use his previously prescribed Keto flush (in both ears, because by the time I finished with the left, the right one was bugging him -most likely due to static as I rubbed them to see if they were painful, which I determined not- and swabbed out any excess. It is a 14 day regimen, so we’ll be doing this for a while unless I see some other anomaly.

        Two questions: First, has anyone ever seen their bun hold it’s ears like this and what did it turn out to be? We just went to the doc not over a month ago because we thought it was mites and the tests were negative.

        Second, I know T8 Keto flush is no longer available and this bottle will expire next month anyway. Even though it’s over a year old, it should still work the way it’s supposed to, right?

        Poor little guy’s heels are no better either. Sadly they both are very red, sore and the left is still broken open and scabbed. The HealRx doesn’t seem to be affecting any improvement. I am tempted to give bag balm a try, but not sure what will happen if he swallows any.

        Many thankies in advance for your opinions.


      • LittlePuffyTail
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          Olivia had one of her ears down a bit for a couple of days. I took her in to the vet and it turned out she had a very deep wax impaction which was relieved with daily cleaning and gentle massaging.

          I can certainly relate to you with ears and feet problems thanks to Mr. Bindi. His feet flare up occasionally. Olivia had a case of sore hocks not too long ago. One had opened and scabbed and the vet put her on antibiotics in case there was infection already inside and I scrubbed her feet 2x daily with a surgical scrub (sorry I can’t remember the name, I got it from my vet).  The vet told me to put DermaGel 2x a day. Maybe your vet has some of this? It’s like a clear ointment that soothes and seals. Also I’ve had success hardening callouses with tea bag compresses. This really seems to have worked for Bindi, not so much for Olivia though. Have you tried this? I can’t remember what Fiver’s set up is like. What sort of floor is he on? I’ve tried about a dozen different things with Bindi and Olivia so maybe I can help you figure out a solution.


        • MimzMum
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            Fiver has one of those fancy UK pet store mattresses in his pen at all times. His problem is he’s had cecal dysbiosis for so long that sometimes we get under control and sometimes not. He tends to squish this all over his feet and bum, hence why I had to give him a submersion bath the other week…it was really nasty. That’s when I discovered the heel was so worn.
            His ears seem to be better today. We are very dry here again and I wonder if he scratched in there a little too hard and that’s why he was holding it down.
            At any rate, if I don’t see improvement in the foot, he’s going to have to go in because I don’t want him to get a systemic infection. My poor bub.


          • RabbitPam
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              I would focus on the treatment of his feet, stick to the agreed on regimen and products from the vet, and just lightly clean his ears. If this stuff requires you to do it for 14 days once you’ve started, then you’re in for it now for another 13 days. but if his ear pops up back to normal and he doesn’t scratch it after a day or two, I’d consider it a success and leave it alone. I’m sure it’s not bad after a year, and you may as well use it up.

              Mimz, you know I love you, but I think you need to poke, prod, and treat your little guys with a bit more restraint. It’s as hard on them to go through frequent handling, examination, treatments and changes of medicines as it is to cope with an actual illness. Don’t borrow trouble. Just expend your energy on keeping their habitats and food as clean and steady as possible, administer the treatments prescribed as needed as quickly as possible, and let them do the rest.

              They are self-cleaning. They like a clean home. They need time to heal when problems develop, but too many changes in treatments, diet, litters, etc. can be as stressful as ignoring problems. If I had a mother who gave me every over the counter cold medicine each time I picked my nose, well, I’d be a mess! Most treatments for anything require a minimum of 2-3 days to see improvement, and more often 10 days. Also, nature has a way of healing itself under the right conditions, so use what you have right now and be patient. Unless you see something get WORSE, or, in 10 days, there has been absolutely no improvement, then change the meds or salves or call the vet again. Does any of this make sense? Just trying to help, you know that.

              (*rummages for great book to send to MM to distract her while bunnies play behind her back*)


            • MimzMum
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                Pam! How did you know I was one of those helicopter moms? lmao….

                Well after a few days’ treatment, his ears seem fine. He’s actually doing much better about me handling him, but I hate having to catch him and have him all stressed out. I just wanted to be sure it wasn’t a foreign object, really. I recently saw a diagram of the rabbit inner ear, have you guys ever seen how huge their timpanic chamber is?? 0_o Something like a seedhead could rattle around in there for a few days before getting lodged in something vital, I would think. No wonder loud sounds spook them, it must echo something terrible!
                Yeah, I really don’t want to have to do more than a mild cleaning on his ears, I am always scared I will force wax or other stuff farther in and that would make both of us feel awful. >.<
                His heels are now doing a little better, but last night as I was tending him I noticed a few other things that I thought I’d just air here:

                1) His poor toes…they also seemed really red and sore, so I put HealRx on them too. Realizing that, although those UK 40 Winks mattresses were nice when I first got them, they’ve kind of been beaten to death by our dryers/laundry machines and hard water here. They just aren’t as nice and fluffy as they used to be. So, having discussed this question in other threads, I decided to test my theory that Fiver will not eat fabric. I put a small, super cushy blankie in his beddy with him last night. HE LOVED IT. I don’t think I’m getting that one back. lolz
                So his feet are taking some punishment and need softer stuff. I tried to find more of these blankets at Petco today, but they seem to be out of them.

                2) His teeth are going to need trimming again before too long. He has a terrible overbite and his lower incisors curl backwards a bit instead of meet with his upper ones. So I would guess that’s why his bowels haven’t been 100% and why he was having some difficulty chewing an apple twig last night. Also this is probably why he’s been preferring the hay without seedheads, but currently he’s eating the Blue Bunny Blend from BB.com and seems to be digesting it well. So I won’t mess with it. When I can, he’ll go in to have his teeth looked at again.
                We’ve moved his Benebac and pumpkin to every other night and that seems to be more than enough to keep him regular. I don’t want another gas/stasis episode with him.
                So we’re working with what we’ve got, doing my best not to make his stress worse than it is. I can probably forgo any further ear treatment, but want to keep an eye on his widdle feets. It was cute though, to hold him and cuddle him, (he enjoys a full bunny body massage almost as much as Mimzy does), and then hover him near Mimzy and Pip’s pens and watch them all touch noses. Fiver must think he’s boss, because he lowers his head for grooms from both of them. ^_^
                Not really looking forward to the ordeal of bonding, but at the same time, I can’t wait to see them all together, supporting one another (hopefully!) and having a happier life than being single bunnies.


              • LittlePuffyTail
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                  When Bindi’s feet were at a really bad stage I was running out of ideas for flooring. I went to Wal-Mart and bought some super soft faux-fur material. I got my sewing machine out and sewed all the edges to avoid fraying and folded it in half and sewed it double thick. He loves his fur pad. I thought that faux fur would be good because it’s the next best thing to feet fur. Might be worth a try. The material only cost me a couple of bucks. This combined with the tea compresses did wonders for his feet.


                • RabbitPam
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                    That all sounds good MM. (I was afraid I’d hurt your feelings.) I have noticed that Sammy is not a fabric eater either, and hasn’t touched her new rug, as well as liking one of the flannel sheets of fabric I bunched up for a pillow/blankie for her. Not the plastic zip tie either. She has a picky taste for, well, food.

                    It’s so much easier when they’re just a bit grown up and learned that food is for swallowing, furniture is for teeth grinding and feet are for kissing.


                  • RabbitPam
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                      LPT, I was thinking the same thing in terms of softness, but I went with sheets of flannel fabric because it was the only one made of 100% cotton, so if it is ingested, at least it’s natural. Not as fuzzy though.


                    • LittlePuffyTail
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                        Yeah, Bindi’s not a blanket eater, Stormy I would never trust with anything fabric. Bindi sometimes chews off little pieces but they are always all accounted for.


                      • MimzMum
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                          Oh zipties…yikes! Pip has a tie on her pen where I hang her freeze bottle from at night, so it doesn’t slip down and clonk her on the head. But I haven’t really had to use the bottles lately, so the tie was just sitting there on the pen bars. For the longest time she didn’t seem to notice it, then one day I’m suddenly hearing nomnomnom on plastic…0_o…she had it in her mouth and would not leave it alone, so I had to cut it off. (Hubby hates when I do that, says I’m ‘wasting’ them…lol.)

                          No worries, Pam, I know you are the voice of reason. Saw some ear whipping from Fiver a bit this morning, but that may have just been his happy greeting, he is happily snuggling in his blankie now. I have two white ones and one brown one that, although it’s nice, it’s harder to tell if he ‘smears’ it, so, I’d like to find more of the white ones.

                          LPT, I’ll think about trying those tea bags…although I think if Fiver even gets a scent of herbs, he’s going to try to eat it out of my hand…lol. ^_^
                          I thought faux fur/fake sheep fleece too, but I’m pretty sure he’d think his flooring needed grooming in that case, so I think I’ll stick with fleece blankets. I just always have to make sure the stitches on the sides of these blankets are all intact each time I look at them.

                          I once tried putting a terrycloth towel on top of Pip’s pen to give her a bit of ‘ceiling’ so she wouldn’t feel so exposed (she likes being covered in some cases) and I remember going out of the room and coming back less than 30 seconds later and she was trying to swallow a bunch of the towel’s threads she pulled through the roof. I about had a heart attack and yanked the towel back out of her mouth…at least a foot of thread came with it! 0_o

                          Poor thing almost choked herself. So I learned my lesson and only clean cardboard goes up there once in awhile now. She still chews on it, but not as much and she doesn’t swallow the pieces either…just drops them on the floor. Mad bun! >.<


                        • Kokaneeandkahlua
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                            First quesiton-yes…Kahlua does this when she is mad (one ear up and one down…when Kokanee passed, she did that for days, and also after her spay…and also when Mikey steals her treats). Rupert does this when his ear is itchy…he can’t itch one well with his gibbled leg-so if one is down I know it’s time for me to clean it. But otherwise ear iinfections affect both ears usually, so I’d think that one up and one down is a perterbed bunny

                            Second-yes, expiry dates usually are for you paying more for a new food or medication. If the milk smells fine and tastes fine, use it. However with meds, it’s iffy to use them after the date….so If there isn’t a date on your ear flush, I’d google it or call the vet and check. But a year-it should be fine

                            Keep us posted!! All the best-for a perterbed bunny rather then an ear issue

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