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    • MissPinUp
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        Ok, when my husband and I moved in together, I had NEVER had a dog.  Ever.  I was used to cats and Lucy.  And Lucy is very cat like, very independant.  She comes to me when she wants to play.  I try every now and again, but I get a disapproving glare!  

        When we moved in, he brought his 40 pound “Pomapoo” (pomeranian/poodle mix) that he had gotten with his ex.  I called BS right away.  I’ve never heard of a 40 pound pomeranian mix.  So when I took him to the vet for the first time (first time by myself, not the dogs first time!) the vet told me he was 90% sure he was a Labrodoodle (Lab and poodle) but 100% he wasn’t a Pomapoo.  Makes sense.  He looks like one, acts like one, smells like one…

        Anyway, I got thrown into dog owning without any guidance.  Husband’s family is very used to getting rid of animals if they need too much attention.  Those are issues with his parent’s parenting, and I won’t even get into it because I have NOTHING nice to say.  

        Needless to say, the dog jumped on everyone, peed on everyone when he got excited, ran around like an idiot because he NEVER got walked, when I tried to walk him…he ran around like an idiot, definitely not leash trained.  He’s a very poorly trained dog, and dare I say, not the brightest.  None of this is the dog’s fault.  But it’s making me resent him, greatly.  We crate him when he’s bad or when we leave because he can’t be trusted alone (he eats cat litter and pretty much will get into anything).  Almost EVERY SINGLE TIME I try to cage him when I leave for work, he pees on the floor.  Every. Single. Time.  But it’s JUST when it’s me and him!  He never wants to listen to me.

        I’ve tried to train him myself, some sticks, some doesn’t.  But husband WILL NOT continue training with me!  Jayjay (the dog) is not allowed on the couch.  I come home, where’s the dog?  On the freaking couch!!!

        He doesn’t understand how upset I get.  The dog was so “bad” when we first moved in I had to go on anti-anxiety medication just to deal with it.  I’m not an anxious person, but I hated coming home.  The dog would pee on me, jump on me. 

        I’m so frustrated.  I don’t expect a perfect animal, I really don’t.  But I also really don’t think I should have to fix what my husband and his ex screwed up.  I’ve never been a dog fan, I’m still really not now.  I’ve tried to bond with him, but he gets too excitable for me and pees everywhere and I’m just sick of it.  Help

        /rant


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          The trouble with training is it has got to be consistent but you already knew that. Can you talk to your husband at all about making a training plan and sticking to it? The level of frsutration you are feeling will now get in the way of training the dog. Lab mixes are very energertic, I can imagine how crazy he can get. He needs to learn crate-training as a positive thing so he won’t do a submissive pee every time. Start by feeding him inside the crate and putting a favorite thing of yours that he likes in the crate with him. Start with short periods of time in the crate with you being in the same room and being CALM. You have to redo the cratetraining experience to undo the association he has with the crate being a punishment (he may not be ‘bright’ but he knows when you are upset with him). — Leashtraining will help the cratetraining as he can have a walk each time before he has to go in his crate so he will be calm and willing. Leashtraining which will also help bond to you. Dogs bond strongly to their walkers. If you can, I would involved a professional trainer at this point because it will prevent the issue from getting out of hand between your husband and you. A professional may be able to make a plan that works for both of you.
          If you don’t like the dog because he frustrates you, this is going to be the real stumbling block.


        • Deleted User
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            I want to stress it again: I know it’s hard because of what’s going on with your husband, but when training anyone, puppies, horses, even human kids — you must be CALM. I know how hard it can be, but trust me it works. If you get frsutrated, count to five, and focus on a peaceful thought and then address the dog. Never yell at him but be gentle, even freeze for a moment to let the craziness settle in him when he gets out of control. Dogs copy their owner’s emotions.


          • MissPinUp
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              You hit it right on the head. My frustration is definitely coming in the way of training now. To make a long story very short, my husband has also been without a job for the past 5 months. So, as a full time waitress (Not my chosen career, simply a job I could find) and him being home all the time…to come home to a dog who jumps on me, pees everywhere, etc, is extremely frustrating. And that frustration also came out on the dog. Which isn’t right. I do think I should call a professional, but again, I still have this “Why should I do it?” in the back of my head. Maybe I need to go talk to someone, because I honestly don’t see Jayjay as mine, and I’m sure that’s partially why he freaks with me :/


            • LBJ10
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                Sounds like a job for Victoria!

                Seriously though, I like the idea of getting a professional involved because it will help you avoid even more conflict. You will have a third party telling you both what to do, rather than you “nagging” your husband. Dogs need consistency and firmness, some definitely more than others. If the dog is submissively peeing, then that means he is afraid. You need to work with him on positive reinforcement. Like Petzy said, make the crate a positive rather than a negative thing for him.


              • jerseygirl
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                  For someone who’s not a fan of dogs yet you are concerned and are trying to train him shows you care enough. I can totally understand your frustration. Would a heart to heart talk with your husband help any? Describe how things could be more harmonious were the dog trained better?

                  I agree, a professional would help but that may not be realistic on a single income. Do you have mutal friends that are good with dogs? If your husband is home during the day, it seems to me a good opportunity for him to work with JayJay. Having a friend come and assist might provide more incentive.


                • Beka27
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                    A professional would be ideal, but I like Jersey’s idea of maybe a friend or family member who is a big “dog person” and could work with him, preferably TAKE HIM for a couple weeks to their house so he gets constant, around-the-clock reinforcement. It is absolutely not the dog’s fault. When you married him, you got it all, including the dog. Try to stop thinking of it as HIS problem, because you are both involved and your daily lives are affected by the dog’s behavior. I’ve been married longer than you guys, and something I learned a long time ago is if you always wait for your dearest husband to do x, y, z… these things are likely to not get done. Take matters into your own hands. Make a schedule, rent some books and videos (I bet the library has some for FREE… the pet section is 636…) and you’ll find that any headway you can make will be worth it, and might bring you and puppy closer together.


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                      If you look in the yellow pages of a bigger city there will be dog training places that will do a free consult over the phone. It won’t fix they dog issues right away but it might help getting your husband’s attention.
                      These are such bad times with many people out of work… I don’t know your husband but in general a man without a job is a difficult ‘animal’ to begin with because it affects their self-esteem tremendously. Possibly your husband babies the dog to feel better himself so, if I were you, I would not talk about the dog too much right now, but lead by example. Waitressing is really exhausting and I bet you are furious when you come home and the dog has not even been walked. But if you can at all, for your sake, take the pooch out on the leash, even for 5 minutes, even if all he does is spin. It will establish a positive routine for Jayjay that he will associate with you. Keep your expectations low at this point. Poodle mixes can be very smart actually and highly trainable but dogs can only develop their potential within a set routine. While you are at it looking up dog trainers, maybe you can see if there are any ‘husband trainers’ also… j/k


                    • babybunsmum
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                        do you have an off-leash dog park nearby? they are perfect places to go to let a dog run like the wind and seriously burn off some steam. when my dog was young he nearly drove me insane so i can totally relate. and i WANTED a dog. i used to call him the tasmanian devil. tho he has settled down a LOT being that he is now 10 yrs old – gets into the most trouble when i havent had time to take him out for regular LONG walks. since jayjay is also such a ridiculous handful i think a good long tear around a dog park would be huge for him. even now when i take bogart to the off leash park he will run around like a crazy dog for the first 30 or 45 mins we are there. it saps a large chunk of energy which could go a very long way in helping your training efforts.

                        good luck! i hope you find a system that works for you. i eventually did with my dog and it was soooo worth it


                      • Elrohwen
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                          Speaking of Victoria, she just did an episode a couple days ago that reminds me so much of this (woman moves in with boyfriend, bf’s dog is a terror, woman resents bf’s dog, etc). Maybe you can find it on re-runs? I think the most important thing in that episode is that she made the owners sit down and agree on a schedule and training plan. It’s so hard to do something like that on your own when you resent the dog and your husband won’t do his part. Maybe getting a professional in to lay out the plan with both of you, so there’s no arguing about the correct technique, would be helpful.

                          I think everyone else has offered great ideas too. I hope you find something that works for your family because the way it’s going now is no way to live!


                        • MissPinUp
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                            You guys all gave awesome advice! Thanks so much! I’m working on re-crate training him. And get this, when I told my husband this, he goes “Well you know I never really crate trained him. All he knows is ‘cage’.”

                            Wait.

                            What?

                            I wanted to rip my hair out. I’m thinking “Ok, the dog WAS trained, and he’s forgotten because there’s no structure.” when in REALITY it’s that he was NEVER FREAKING TRAINED. I could seriously shave my husbands eyebrows in his sleep. I get so irritated with him. UGH.

                            But I am training him to realize that the crate isn’t a bad place, because my biggest pet peeve is whining. He barely ever barks, but when he gets put in the cage he whines non-stop, and ignoring it only makes it worse. So I’m starting small. And speaking of small, I’m uploading a picture of him in his crate. I think it’s entirely too small for him, tell me what you guys think. Again, I’m no dog person, I didn’t purchase the crate, but I am almost certain it’s too small.


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                              Uploaded with ImageShack.us

                               

                               

                               

                              Sorry, it’s really the only way I know to upload pictures that aren’t huge.  Kind of technilogically slow!

                               

                              Edit: Also, lol @ Lucy in the background, just noticed her.  He isn’t typically kept next door, it’s just the best lighting in the apt.  And for some reason his ears stood up and it looked ridiculous


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                                Oh, it’s a wire one, that’s good, most dogs like those better. It is hard to see how big it is. Can Jayjay stand up in this crate? I personally like the bigger the better but only if he is already potty-trained.

                                I actually think Jayjay is supercute, I kind of love him and want to hug him… He is adorable. <3. Do you have to clip his coat?

                                Ah, the whining! Yes, yes… this is where you need to be made of steel. If you give him food he loves while in the crate and you stay by his side while he is crated and gradually move away from the crate further and further, you will beat the whining over time. Have 20 minute sessions, maybe shorter, in the beginning. But he may always whine initially just to let the world know he would rather be free. I really have to record my male dog’s sad song he does when I crate him. He only does it when I take my female dog with me and he has to stay behind. It is the weirdest thing you ever heard, a deep humming howl that carries far. It makes me laugh because my dog is really good about the crate so it’s not like he’s in trouble. The most important step in cratetraining is though that the dog gets a chance to relieve himself and gets to move about before getting crated. I always walk mine and then crate. I did another thing during my dogs’ crate training that may not be possible if the crate is small; I would lock myself into the crate and have my dogs beg to get inside from the outside, or I would put their favorite stuffed toy inside the crate for a while. They became very intrigued with the crate very quickly.


                              • KatnipCrzy
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                                  I have to admit that I find it harder to train my HUSBAND to train the dogs properly than the part of dog training I do when I am with them.  I finally was able to pound thru my husband’s thick skull that instead of yelling at the dogs when they are let outside to potty (so now I hear barking AND yelling) that there are simple, quiet ways to attract their attention.  I had to show him many, many times before it sunk into his brain.  I get them back in by shaking the treat jar or calling Skye (who is not much of a barker) and ask her to sit and say “good girl”- Molson our barker comes flying back in the house because he is convinces she is getting a treat and he does not want to be left out. No yelling and works right away.  Poor simple male brains- when will they ever catch up to us. 


                                • MissPinUp
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                                    He can stand, he rarely does. He keeps his head down like the crate is smaller, but that makes me think that he doesn’t like how small it is. When Justin got him, he was super tiny, hence the tween at the pet store going “YEAH IDK HE COULD BE A POMAPOO HAHA” yeah no. Not a pomapoo. Plus he exhibits most Labrodoodle behaviors. I want to get him a bigger one, for sure.


                                  • MissPinUp
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                                      I guess I just get frustrated with Justin because like I said, I got thrown into it. He never told me how to handle the dog. We spent almost a WEEK going over Lucy’s routine. I’m finding out along the way, almost a YEAR later, “Oh the dog isn’t ACTUALLY crate trained” OMG ARE YOU KIDDING ME. I don’t mind training certain things. Jumping, whining, whatever. My frustration is I was under the impression he was trained. Then he wasn’t fully, he only knew certain things. Now, he’s pretty much JUST potty trained. It went from me having to train him on a few small things, to pretty much having to REDO his whole training. I didn’t sign up for this. It sounds snotty and bratty, but I was under the impression that he was trained. I really feel like Justin should GODFORBID take responsibility for his own animal. I understand that as much as I may not like it, now the dog is “ours”, but really? Now I get thrown into full on training Jayjay, pretty much by myself, to either attempt to train him myself or pay a buttload for someone else to. UGH.

                                      I know it isn’t Jayjay’s fault, he’s caught in the middle, but I’m SO IRRITATED at my husband. I really feel like I got lied to, which makes it even worse. I’m honestly thinking about talking to a therapist or something, because now I’m like “WHAT ELSE AM I GOING TO FIND OUT SERIOUSLY”

                                      On the plus side, he’s getting better at crate training. I put his food dish in there so he’s got to go in to eat.


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                                        Hmm my mom in law has a labradoodle, and she is much much bigger than your pup.with a different look too, but maybe they each got different genes… ? lol. I’ll see if I can dig up a pic of Sadie

                                         

                                        Edit: This is Sadie dog. When she is standing beside me, I can rest my hand on top of her head without bending down. She’s a bigger girl.


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                                          He is kind of adorable, in a goofy way. :p I’m sorry it’s so frustrating. I get so upset with my hubby when it comes to the animals…he does not get it. He doesn’t understand how to interact with them at all. He’s pretty good with our Eclectus parrot, Riley, and he ignores Rufus so that’s ok…it’s the dogs, cat and Dexter (African Grey parrot) that we have issues with. Especially the cat. He hates my little kitty girl. Anyway…I feel for ya lol!

                                          I think you’ve gotten a lot of great suggestions on this thread, I guess all I can suggest is try to start over with him, look at it as if he was new to the family…maybe you can form a new attachment to him, and vice versa. You’ve already started over with the training, now you just need to figure out a way to get over your resentment towards the dog and look at him with fresh eyes. It’s not his fault that men can be so thick headed sometimes (my apologies to any men on this board LOL!). He’s a cutie, I hope you can bond with him! Good luck with the training.


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                                            He is seriously one of the cutest dogs I’ve ever seen. I agree that he needs a larger crate, he should be able to stand up and stretch out in it. Clean that one up and it’ll sell quickly on Craigslist.


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                                              Monkey, that’s how his fur looks when it’s kept how it should, but my husband won’t bathe him or keep track of his fur, which clumps like crazy, so since I was the one who ALWAYS ended up giving him a bath, I said eff it, we’re shaving it. We keep it super short and cut it frequently to avoid clumps because again, I got thrown into dog owning and really resent it.

                                              Here’s how our heart to heart went:

                                              Me: Hey honey, we need to talk about the dog. When I come home and see him on the couch, or doing things he shouldn’t be doing and you don’t correct him, it really upsets me.
                                              Him: Ok?
                                              Me: …So it would be really cool if we could work on that.
                                              Him: What’s the issue?
                                              Me: Well, when we first got together you told me he had puppy classes, which makes sense because he does eventually sit and lay on command, but you also told me he was crate trained, come to find out yesterday he isn’t.
                                              Him: I NEVER told you he had puppy classes and he is crate trained!
                                              Me: You specifically said yesterday he wasn’t, and you definitely told me he went to puppy classes.
                                              Him: No, I told you Wickett (old dog) went to puppy classes.
                                              Me: Either way, his behavior frustrates me a lot, especially because I feel like I’m the only one who enforces is which is why he thinks I’m the bad guy.
                                              Him: FINE GET RID OF HIM
                                              Me: No, I’m absolutely not getting rid of him.
                                              Him: IT’LL MAKE YOU FEEL BETTER AND SHUT YOU UP
                                              Me: No, because I know you love him and it’s irresponsible to get rid of an animal when you chose to take on the responsibility to begin with. You got the dog. You did. It should have been YOUR responsibility to train him properly, walk him at LEAST once a day (which NEVER happens), pick up his poop EVERY TIME (which also never happens), and to not just cage him when he gives you a funny look.
                                              Him: JUST GET THE EXPLETIVE RID OF HIM WHEN I’M AT WORK
                                              Me: NOW IT’S MY RESPONSIBILITY TO GET RID OF HIM REALLY WTH OMG@#*TY @#*TYirhgng

                                              Ok, so I didn’t say the last line, but I really felt like it! It escalated so quickly and so horrendously, I couldn’t believe it. I’m great at keeping my cool, because I know he FREAKS over no reason. He’s the woman emotionally, for sure. No biggie, but really? Get rid of him? No, because he’d resent me and THAT would end our marriage. So I’m pretty much stuck. He doesn’t think the dog needs training, he thinks I’m ridiculous for not wanting a dog laying all over me and fur on my couch, I’m at my wits end.


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                                                Argh! Talk about banging your head against the wall. Your kinda at an impasse here.

                                                You mentioned talking to a therapist? I think that is really wise. There will be more going on then just the dog issue if there isn’t already. Somehow I think your partner would not be keen in going also. But if you think talking to someone like this will help you, go for it! You’re already suffering and the dog is suffering.


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                                                  When people post issues with significant others and pets (and this happens often on this forum), I always go back to how important decision making is between a couple, especially when there’s potential for children to be in the picture.


                                                • MissPinUp
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                                                    Well Beka, rest easy. I cannot have children.

                                                    Oddly enough, he is ok going to talk to someone.  The issue isn’t necessarily the dog.  It is, but it isn’t, you know?  It is in the fact that until husband starts getting his act together, the dog will continually misbehave because anything I try won’t be reenforced.  The real issue is consistancy, and when I think something needs done, if he doesn’t, then he peaces out and doesn’t want to uphold my “rules”.  And to be honest, everything else, all our other issues, I’m fine handling myself.  But the dog issue irritates me beyond belief.

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