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FORUM HOUSE RABBIT Q & A Is this cut infected? – Update 10/26

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    • FluffyBunny
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        Some of you might remember that Ms. Rabbit got a really huge, deep wound on her shoulder after having a fight with Mr. Bunny. That wound is healing up beautifully, and it’s scabbed up fine and seems to be healing normally. That wound isn’t what this post is about – I just thought I’d give an update.

        Anyway, a couple of days ago, I noticed a cut and some fur loss on the outside of Ms. Rabbit’s ear. (I think it might be from the fight the bunnies had a couple weeks ago, not the one that they had last week. It’s too dry and healed up looking to be recent.) It’s quite deep, but it’s small, and certainly not anything spectacular. I watched it, and after a day – this was yesterday – I noticed that part of the opposite side of the ear (the inside) was a little red. I figured she had scratched it a little too hard and decided to just keep a close eye on it.

        So today, while I was petting her, I noticed a strange swelling on her ear. I checked it out. Where her ear was just red yesterday, there now appears to be some swelling. The swollen area is very firm. The inside of the ear is still bright red. The whole ear appears to be a little warm and tender.

        I took a couple of photos:

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        Here’s a pic of the outside of her ear. I circled the cut and the fur loss around the ear.

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        Here’s a few pics of the inside of the ear. You can’t see the swelling very well, and the red skin is paler than it is in real life, but you can get an idea of what it looks like.

        I have a quarter of a dose of Mr. Bunny’s Trimethoprim Sulfa (antibiotic) in the old bottle…should I maybe give that to her? Should I take her in to the vet?


      • Sarita
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          It does sound like it might be infected – the ear does look red and a hot spot might be an infection as well. I think I would take her to the vet and take the meds that you have to see if any of those would help heal it – if they do you may need a different dosage too. Is that what Mr. Bunny is taking now for his infection?


        • GrumpyBun
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            I agree with Sarita – the heat makes me think it may be an infection but you need to see a vet before you medicate your rabbit.

            I hope all goes well with Ms Rabbit!


          • FluffyBunny
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              Sarita, yes, that’s the medicine Mr. Bunny is taking. It’s a broad-spectrum antibiotic.

              The ear isn’t quite as swollen now, but it’s still red and warm. I suppose I’ll just keep an eye on it until Monday (bunny illness always happens on weekends, doesn’t it?), and if it isn’t better by then, I’ll schedule an appointment.


            • Michelle&Lolli
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                You could try putting some neosporin (without pain reliever) on it and see if it helps any. better than nothing anyways.

                And yes, stuff always happens on the weekends or at night. I’m told it’s the same way with kids. LOL


              • FluffyBunny
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                  I called the vet yesterday. The lady there told me that as long as Ms. Rabbit is eating/pooping/behaving normally, and there’s no pus coming from the ear, I don’t need to do anything about it. She seemed very bored with me, and as if she wanted to get off the phone ASAP. >.< She told me that if it wasn't better in a couple of days, I should schedule an appointment.

                  Ms. Rabbit is still eating, pooping and behaving normally, but her cut seems to be doing worse. The swollen area is more swollen now, and it’s a much brighter red. The outside of the ear is now red and swollen too – which happened in less than 24 hours. Her ear isn’t as warm now, but she jumps back if I touch the cut or the swollen areas too hard.

                  Here’s a couple of pictures I took of the ear today.

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                  Here’s the inside of the ear. The picture’s a little blurry, but you can very distinctly see the swollen area now.

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                  Here’s the outside of the ear. I circled the cut and the red area. You can’t really see the swollen part, since it’s covered by some fur. You can see some of the fur loss in this pic.

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                  The swelling on the inside of the ear is now very visible from a few feet away.


                • Kokaneeandkahlua
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                    Just call and schedule an appointment.

                    That was likely the receptionist you talked to and they shouldn’t be giving health advice-especially health advice that doesn’t pertain to the situation (a bunny can have a raging infected abscess and still eat…)-so just phone and make an appointment. And I would tell your vet about that conversation.
                    To be quite honest this sounds not good at all, so I would get in asap and not wait around.

                    {{{Ms Rabbit}}}


                  • GrumpyBun
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                      I completely agree with K&K. It sounds like you got a receptionist who thinks she’s qualified as a vet. Book an appointment and mention the conversation.


                    • RabbitPam
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                        Even if it was the medical assistant it was still not OK, and you want to get in to see the vet and tell her about the call.

                        As much as we love bunnies and have different levels of experience and expertise here, we are essentially the same. In other words, no one here is a fully qualified vet, so we may sound like a broken record at times, but we are not in a position to diagnose or treat your bunny ourselves either. Pictures may help, but it’s a lot of work to go through to write to us and get the same answer you would have right away, which is take the bunny to see the vet. I think it’s important to remind our other members reading this that they ultimately must use us as advisors, and our duty to you and your bunnies is to advice the best action to take. In most cases, because so much varies from one individual to another no matter how many legs, nothing is better than a face to face exam, diagnosis and treatment.

                        I’m sorry you got that person from your vet’s office. I had a very similar thing happen when I called my new Dr. recently for myself – now I’m looking for a different new doctor. If I sound like I’m blowing off steam, it’s because you DID do the right thing by calling and got that lousy response. I am so tired of receptionists, insurance companies, online advisors, medical assistants, TV chat hosts, and total strangers giving medical advice. If we are going to pay a fortune for every visit to the doctor or vet, at least we should be benefiting from those years of medical school and thorough training that they go through to get there.
                        Thanks. I needed that. Hope he’s feeling much better today.


                      • FluffyBunny
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                          I certainly don’t consider BB to be a vet. Just a place where I can get opinions, hear from people who have had similar problems, and share my experiences with bunnies. The pictures I put up were really so I could share them, and get some opinions about whether or not she needed to go in if the cut was getting worse, and if I should just follow up with what the lady at the vet said.

                          If there’s any possibility that I could be harming some other bunny, I’ll take down the pictures and/or my post.


                        • Sarita
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                            Your pictures and posts are fine FB – please keep us updated on Ms. Rabbit’s condition.


                          • FluffyBunny
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                              I took her to the vet today. I can’t say I’m happy about it at all.

                              He looked at her and, even though I explained that the cut’s looking worse and worse, said that it’s healing normally. o.o He pulled the other scabs on her body off and basically opened all her wounds, even though they were healing fine (“she won’t grow new skin underneath if you let the scabs form”). He told me that since there’s no scab on her ear, nothing can be done. He said that she’ll probably always have a swollen, red and lumpy ear. He also said that she’ll probably get an abscess there, and when she does, I should just let it grow until it bursts on its own. He said that bunnies usually don’t handle antibiotics (uh, yeah, what about the one I have at home taking antibiotics?), so all I should do is put some Neosporin on her wounds.

                              So…I pretty much spent $80 to have a guy open up her wounds and tell me that I didn’t need to worry about an infected ear.

                              Does she really not need to have anything done? It just seemed like every bit of advice he gave me was the opposite of what you’d think to do.


                            • Sarita
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                                I think at this point just do as the vet orders and hope he’s right. I’d feel as dissatisfied as you though. Is this the vet seeing Mr. Bunny too?


                              • BinkyBunny
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                                  I do find that a bit bizarre. Not sure why he wouldn’t prescribe baytril or something at least. Is this normally a vet you trust? If not, it might be worth your while (and for your pocket book) to find another vet.


                                • FluffyBunny
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                                    BinkyBunny: I somewhat trust this vet. They didn’t quite know how to treat Mr. Bunny’s skin condition (they gave him fur mite treatments for 7 months without considering it could be something else), but I thought that they would at least know how to treat an infection and some wounds. I should probably have taken her to the rabbit-savvy vet – but his office is 2 hours away, and my parents didn’t want to drive that far “over a little cut on the ear”.

                                    Ms. Rabbit seems to really be hurting tonight. If her ear wasn’t hurting her earlier as the vet said, it’s hurting her now. She was tilting her head slightly from the pain. She refused to lift up the ear. She was very hesitant to eat her salad, and she ran and hid every time I got near her. A lot of hair was missing from her ear – I think she scratched it off. The ear itself looks much worse; it’s even redder on the inside of the ear, and the outside is now almost as swollen as the inside. She was scratching at it and shaking her head furiously after I put Neosporin on the ear.

                                    The wounds on her body seem really sore, too. She jumped every time that I moved my hand near them (I didn’t even need to touch them for her to jump), and I could barely even put the Neosporin on them before she hid in a box and didn’t come out.

                                    It’s hard for me to see her like this, even after I tried to get help. I feel like all of it’s my fault. Maybe I’m overreacting, I don’t know.

                                    I suppose I’ll just have to take her to the rabbit-savvy vet on Monday if her ear is still bad then. I still don’t believe that there’s nothing that can be done and that her ear will always be the way it is now…since it’s still changing.


                                  • Sarita
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                                      Do you have any metacam to give her FB? I definitely would take her to the more rabbit savvy vet if you can. Poor Ms. B does sound like she’s in pain from the vet messing with her.


                                    • Beka27
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                                        Healing vibes. How frustrating :o(


                                      • GrumpyBun
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                                          I’m really feeling for you – it must be upsetting and frustrating to see poor Ms. Rabbit like this when you’ve tried so very hard to help her.

                                          (((((((((( Healing vibes for Ms. Rabbit)))))))))))


                                        • FluffyBunny
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                                            Just thought I’d give a little update. The lady at the vet called me yesterday to see how Ms. Rabbit was. She was a little shocked to hear that Ms. Rabbit’s ear didn’t heal yet – apparently, by now I should have seen some noticeable improvement. She said that if Ms. Rabbit isn’t better by Wednesday, I should make another appointment.

                                            Ms. Rabbit isn’t doing so well. She’s extremely afraid of me – not like herself at all. She spends all of her time in either her darkest box or her litterbox. She’s also suddenly gotten extremely destructive – as in, tearing off pieces of the wall destructive.

                                            Her ear isn’t doing great, either. The inside is a little redder, and it’s still covered in little red veins. The swollen part has stayed the same size, or maybe gotten a little bigger. On the outside, she’s pulled out most of the fur that she could reach (and even pulled a little off on the other ear), and the whole area is more swollen. Her ear seems to be hurting her quite a bit now; she still tilts her head and doesn’t lift the ear up for a while any time you touch it too hard.

                                            The wounds on her back are healing okay, but I think they’re bothering her too, since she’s still licking them until her fur is wet.


                                          • Sarita
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                                              She’s definitely in pain then. I think you need to take her to the other vet that you mentioned. I’m worried about her.


                                            • Beka27
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                                                Yes, please get her in. A change in behavior like that indicates that something isn’t right with her.

                                                (((Rabbit)))


                                              • Kokaneeandkahlua
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                                                  Yes Ditto I’m worried too. I think she should see a vet asap. Is their another vet you are comfortalbe seeing-perhaps for a second opinion? {{Vibes}}


                                                • Sarita
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                                                    Fluffy, how’s Ms. Rabbit?


                                                  • Beka27
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                                                      Please update… (((Healing vibes!)))


                                                    • FluffyBunny
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                                                        Sorry about not updating for so long!

                                                        Ms. Rabbit is doing much better. I stopped putting neosporin on it to see if it would have any effect, and it definitely did. I’m not sure if it was a coincidence or not, but within 24 hours of not putting on Neosporin, her ear started dramatically getting better. The redness mostly went away, and the swelling went down on both sides of the ear. She’s also been behaving more like herself – she no longer just sits in her box all day. Her appetite is back to normal, too.

                                                        Thanks for all of your healing vibes!


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                                                          What good news!


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                                                            Whew, so glad she is better :~)

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