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    • MissKris&Koji
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        Okay, so, rabbit had one accident on bed about a week ago. His box needed cleaned, so I let it slide.

        Well, ever since he got out the other night (cat food episode), he seems to be not so good on his litter habits. Leaving poop piles (not just a couple here and there) around my room, on my bed, etc. And peed on my bed that night, I was petting him and when I paused he just decided to pee on my bed (in anger? I don’t know). Tried to pee in the same spot again, I saw him head up to the top of the bed and I stopped him before he managed to pee much and put him in his box.

        Today, he again peed there. I covered the area in pillows, so he couldn’t get too close, and hopefully would l eave it alone (before it was just one pillow at the head of the bed and he was peeing in the “corner” that the pillow side and headboard made). I had a sheet folded up under the pillow as I had to clean them obviously and hadn’t put them back on, it luckily absorbed everythign. The mattress has mostly managed to not really get any pee on it so far.

        But really, peeing on my bed 3 times in as many days?

        Here is what I am thinking: A) use wee wee pads on the area and just let it be. I’m moving to an apartment this fall, and he’ll be in the living room (not allowed in bedroom so he doesn’t cover our extensively black closet of clothes in white fur or home office) which, since I have nothing but leather Ikea chairs, no furniture to be concerned about.

        2) Get exercise pen now, and gate off my bed. Thinking of bunny dating after move when we’re closer to the place that does it, and the whole home is “neutral” for bonding. Will need pen then to keep them separate for a while anyhow. I guess I should just do this, but I am REALLY annoyed at the prospect of having to hop a gate to go to bed. Also, Petco still is only carrying 30 and 48 inch of the pen I want, and I can’t find it anywhere else. I know for a fact he can (and has) jumped 28 inches, so 30 won’t cut it. So I’ll have a 4 foot wall around my bed.

        I can’t just not let him out. And I can’t supervise him every minute while he is out right now. He’s VERY sneaky and quiet, so I don’t always detect when he’s up to something. I could cage him more to reinforce litter habits, but he rattles the cage hard when he feels its time to eat or if he wants out. Mostly he just wants the door open all the time, even if he doesn’t actually want out. Sigh.

        I don’t really have somewhere else to put him, either. There are other rooms in the house, but I’m at my parents for a couple months until bf’s lease is up so we can move in together, and I don’t want to impose and put him in the common areas.

         


      • Balefulregards
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          My initial thought is “he is comfortable and marking because he is now letting them know he rules the roost”…When Coco had her urine phase, 3 times a day was pretty par for the course – she would only pee on my husbands side…or his pillow. I had to scrub the mattress with baking soda and vinegar to make sure there was no urine smell. I have found that if rabbits can smell their own urine markings — even a tiny bit, it encourages them to re-mark there.

          Because your bed smells most strongly of you/boyfriend, his natural urge is to cover those smells, because he is Top Bun. You may have to go to a Plastic shower curtain over your bed during the day to ease up on the urine marking.

          I couldn’t see it on your profile, but is he neutered? That may be urging on his need to mark as well.

          As to pens – have you looked at the Make your Own types of pens many of us use to block off areas? NIC cubes?


        • Kokaneeandkahlua
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            He can’t pee on the bed if he’s not allowed on it. Simply make that impossible. A shower curtain works great (it’s sliippery and yucky and they will jump right off of it, plus this will keep pee off your bed if they do get up there) and you can also block the bed off with cubes if you want to. Behaviorally you can pick him up everytime he gets on the bed and put him where he should be (blocking and redirecting)

            It’s important to
            1) Show them what they are not supposed to do; by NOT allowing it
            2) GIVE them something they SHOULD do-to displace the unwanted behavior.

            I totally would NOT put pee pads on the bed-your just teaching your bunny your bed is a toilet and THAT is not going to be fun

            I like the x pen idea-and then you ONLY let him out when you can watch and pluck that pee-bum off your bed if he happens to toodle up there (always pluck him right off and put him close/on something he can/should be on-ie. pick him off the bed and show him a grass matt/tunne/toy/treat/phone book/toilet paper roll/towel etc.
            Don’t just tell him No-you can’t be on the bed. Tell him, get off the bed-and do this funner thing instead.


          • MissKris&Koji
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              He is neutered. Boyfriend never stays over here, so that’s not it. And I’ve SOAKED everything in vinegar and nature’s miracle. He’s also leaving poop piles, so I think it’s behavioral, not because he smells the pee, or bladder problems.

              I don’t mean an expen to let him out in, I mean an expen to surround the bed entirely. He is mostly free roam right now so long as I’m home/awake (or was for the last few weeks before this, since he has shown no destruction of anything before). I don’t want to suddenly cage him all the time, that’s unfair. So I am thinking a pen to block the bed so he can still get a good run in each day. I have one last class going on right now with about 12 hours of homework a day, so I can’t be watching him constantly and him get good excercise. Nor do i want to have to watch him every second. So, block and redirect only works so well.

              The pen won’t really work to just put him in it, because of my room layout (bed in smack middle of room). But it will work to surround the bed.

              Unfortunately, he doesn’t like toys. I have tried EVERYTHING – dig boxes, tunnels, cardboard, willow, apple wood, crinkle tunnels, balls, bells, you name it. He only wants to hang out with me, so if he is out, and I’m on the bed working, thats where he wants to be. So giving him something “funner” – not so much happening. That’s also why I don’t want to confine him – his only entertainment is exploring the room and getting pets, so if he’s not getting much out time…. that’s a rather boring life. He just lays in his litter box all day otherwise. Just sits there. I feel bad.


            • jerseygirl
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                But you’ve given him access to all these things, he has chosen to play with them. So don’t feel too badly. Maybe he’s just laid back and content with just spending time with you.

                Do be careful that he doesn’t start to pee on the bed to gain your attention. If you plan to continue to allow him up there with you, provide a litter box up there and reward him when he uses it. If he pees on the bed take care with your reaction. Obviously go about cleaning it up but don’t give him any attention – even to scold.

                I think either a shower curtain over the bed or use bed risers to elevate it might help. If you do go ahead and get a pen, do use it for his exercise time if his litter habits deteriorate. It’s best to limit their space and they can regain it once the litter habit improves. (Man, I feel like a hypocrite advising all this! I give mine too much space when they’re bad with litter habits!)


              • MissKris&Koji
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                  Hmm. Thanks. I think I will get the pen. He doesn’t mind slippery surfaces, so I’m not sure a shower curtain would deter. It would protect the mattress, but that’s really not my largest concern (I’m getting rid of the mattress when I move). I mostly just don’t want him thinking peeing anywhere but the litter box is okay. I am getting the pen that breaks down into individual panels, so I can set up a small penned space in my room, like one panel wide by 2 long to let him out in there without supervision. I was just thinking better to pen the bed off, but I guess starting smaller is better, you’re right.


                • jerseygirl
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                    Sorry I had meant “chosen not to play with them.”


                  • Balefulregards
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                      I know the confining can “feel” cruel to the human, but it is boundary defining to the bunny. Being caged worked wonders on my Pee’er and Coco is MUCH better again. But I felt rotten caging her for the two weeks it took until she finally gave in and agreed that Litterboxes were for pee.

                      She knew, of course. She just wanted to make sure that I agreed.

                      Animals ( And Toddlers) need to know what is allowable. If they do it ( even one time) and get away with it, it gets checked off as “Allowable”. To get that back into “Not Allowed” takes 3 times the amount of time and effort than the initial prevention.


                    • MissKris&Koji
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                        Pen is on the way. I’ve decided to rearrange my furniture to better allow for the pen. It’s going to be a huge hassle, but I think it will work, I need to take some measurements before we go trying to move the HUGGGGGGGGE heavy wood dresser to the other side of the room, scoot the bed, and find a new location for one of the nightstands.

                        I am thinking I will leave him caged most of the time, and let him out only into then pen, and only for a little while around morning and evening feedings… Perhaps if I reinforce the cage being his headquarters, he will stop trying to see the rest of the room as his. I thought about leaving the cage open to the pen all day, but if the problem is he’s trying to “claim” my bed, I’m concerned giving him too much access to other areas right now might cause him to start marking there and “claim” them too. Is this the right thinking?

                        I think he just wants to pee on soft things, so I don’t think it’s likely that he will pee on the floor where the pen will be. But, I’d rather prevent that than have to be trying to break another bad habit.

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