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    • Battie
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        Hi.  Sorry I only post when I need something…

        Miss Beulah has earmites.  I took her to emergency after I noticed her ear was FILLED with crustiness.  I actually thought she must have a wound that bled all over, except there was no blood anywhere else.  The mites were so bad that she has an infection too, so she had to get her ears all scrubbed out.  Luckily she was given pain meds for that.  I have 10 days of antibiotics to give her.  I guess I need to get Quincy checked too when the regular vets open.  So much money…

        My big worries are a) how did she get them, and b) how do I clean up?  The vet was very good with her but it no an exoctic specialist, so she couldn’t tell me much about what to do.  I need to throw away her favorite hammock () but then I don’t know what to do outside a normal deep clean.  Do I need to use a special product?  I’m also worried about my stuff.  I can’t keep them off my bed or anything, so do I need to do something crazy to clean up, or is just washing the sheets cool?  I also don’t know how they got in.  I had them both at a kennel last week for a few days, but that might be coincidence.

        I’m extra stressed about this because I’m supposed to leave town for a whole week next Sunday, and my mom was going to take care of them.  That means three days of meds she’d have to give Beulah, every twelve hours.  I hope that’s not to much of a burden.  I can’t not take the trip.  If I have to board her at the bet I think their rates are much higher than the kennel.

        Halp?

        Edit:  Oh no!  Do I have to get rid of the mini-haven too?


      • Battie
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          I just gave Beulah her first dose of antibiotics.  I didn’t have any instructions for how to do this, so please tell me if I did anything wrong:

          I sat her on the floor and gave her pellets to distract her for a second.  The pain meds wore off and she’s very perky again. I filled the syringe (only 1.5 ml) and tried getting her to accept it as she munched.  She wasn’t interested, so I gently tilted her on her back into my lap and was able to empty the syringe into her mouth.  She wasn’t upset about it and it looks like she swallowed it all.  Is flipping her a choking hazard?  If I’m going to ask someone else to do this while I’m gone this seemed like an easy way.

          I also just read on rabbit.org that yogurt or acidophilus is good for keeping digestion balanced while she’s on antibiotics.  I’m confused!   I thought yogurt was awful for bunnies!  Should I go get her some plain yogurt to munch?  How much should she get?

          Thanks again!


        • Beka27
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            Yes, you don’t want to flip her, she can aspirate the meds into her lungs.

            Keep her on all fours, elevated if possible. I do this on the kitchen counter on a towel. I use my left arm to snug the bunny close to me… with my left hand I cover her head and lift up the right side of her mouth. With my right hand, I place the syringe on the side of her mouth, behind her incisors, and slowly push the medicine in.


          • Battie
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              Eep! I won’t do that again, then.

              I still can’t find info on how to properly clean the room, if anything special is needed at all. It’s scary not to be able to see these things!


            • Deleted User
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                ear mites can hide in hay, among other places, and Beulah could have picked them up from there.


              • Battie
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                  So I don’t need to freak about about cleaning? It’s sounding like it’s something that can just happen and there isn’t much I can do…

                  I hope she didn’t’ get them at the kennel!


                • Deleted User
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                    Yes, it can happen to the cleanest indoor bunny. I would have the vet check your hay if that os a possibility, and clean well everywhere Beulah has been.
                    –What kennel? I missed something…


                  • Battie
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                      Ah, sorry. I had them at the kennel for a weekend, I guess it was two weeks ago. Probably just a coincidence but no one likes to think their home is infested. Quincy had been to this one before about a year ago. They take good care of them.


                    • Deleted User
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                        that might just be where she got them. Any boarding place is subject to parasites brought in by other boarding pets.


                      • Battie
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                          Ugh, I hope not. Do I say anything? I really like them and they’re the only reasonable rabbit-accepting kennel I’ve found.

                          I can’t believe it had to get that bad before I realized she was sick. She’s a half-lop and her pointy ear had been drooping a lot over the last week or so. I thought she was just being a full lop but now I know what was really wrong. The ear is pointy again.


                        • lwayne
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                            The way I gave Arduina meds was to sit on my knees with her between them and bend over her so she cant scoot backwards (like in yoga, child’s pose). Some times I’ll have her front paws up on my leg (thats how I do her nails).


                          • jerseygirl
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                              It’s thought that mites are present on rabbits but the number is kept under control. When they’re stressed or their immune system is compromised, this is when the mites can multiply and become a problem. (not sure if this is true of ear mites). So even the stress of being at the kennel and away from home may have triggered it. Whichever way she got them, it’s treated now so cleaning out the habitat is a good idea. Since they cleaned out the scabs at the hospital it’s less likely the mites will infest their surroundings now. The meds you have now are for the infection the mites caused I take it? But the mite treatment was a one off?

                              I don’t think you have to toss the maze haven. You could take it out the habitat for a few weeks, put it out somewhere dry in the sun perhaps.


                            • Battie
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                                Oh, okay. I was afraid of this being a problem on the level of lice or something. The vet was mentioning asking a real exotic vet for some kind of special cleaning fluid for them.

                                Yes, the meds are for the infection. She got a dose of Revolution to clear the mites and I just have to get her checked in a month. I need to check Quincy too, but he seems okay. I’m trying to decide there to go now or take him at the one month checkup. That might not even make a difference financially, though.

                                Beulah struggles now that she knows what I’m up to with the syringe. I don’t blame her. I think the meds smell like sickness. Guess it’s time for bunny burrito!


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                                  I would not say anything to the kennel because it will sound as if you are blaming them. It could have come from hay that they used to feed Beulah. You could put your rabbits on Revolution (selamectin) next time you board them to be safe.


                                • Ali925
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                                    As far as administering meds, I would suggest giving the medication before any food, etc. For instance if you’re giving it twice (or once) a day, be sure to give it before giving AM/PM meal. This seemed to give the best results for me. When I had to give one of my bunnies 3 meds at once, I noticed she would willing take the first two, but by the third maybe was “full” and didn’t want it? Even when I changed the order of them she still only got through 2, so it wasn’t the particular med that she refused. So if she’s eating too, she might be less willing to take it.

                                    Second, be sure to put her somewhere outside her comfort zone, i.e. kitchen table/countertop, where she hasn’t been before. They’re more willing to cooperate. I could never burrito my bun in her cage/pen territory, we always had to move her to the counter. She even let me pick her up when she was on the counter, but never when she is in her territory.

                                    And if you have someone to help, that works even better. My husband would administer the meds while I held her (butt against me, wrapped in a towel, or if she was being particularly cooperative, with no towel.)


                                  • Battie
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                                      Thanks for the advice.

                                      Quincy is going to the vet tomorrow to make sure he doesn’t have it too. If Revolution can be used as a preventative, maybe they can give him a dose to keep him from getting sick from Beulah.


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                                        Be sure to ask the vet about this. I thought all rabbits living in the same quarters with an infested rabbit would receive a dose of ivermectin.


                                      • Battie
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                                          That’s probably the case. The regular vet definitely wanted to see Quincy. She sees rabbits regularly so she would know to do this if it’s necessary. The emergency vet was just doing the best she could with Beulah.


                                        • Battie
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                                            Wow, I need to work on the burrito technique. I follow the tutorials and she slips right out when I try to give her the meds! I can try to get this down, but I need a method easy enough for a non-rabbit person for when I’m gone next week. I think I’m going to try squirting it on greens or treats and putting her in the box with them. She’ll eat anything so I’m pretty sure this will work.


                                          • Battie
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                                              Quincy is healthy, but he got the Revolution treatment anyway. I think I also finally have a mom-friendly medicine delivery method for Beulah. She likes the applesauce! The vet suggested I try it and so I got some of the plain stuff with nothing added. I just injected the meds into a spoonful and managed to convince her that there was nothing scary about eating it.


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                                                Oh good! I am happy to hear you beat the mites this way!


                                              • lashkay
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                                                  Don’t despair, Mineral oil, a little in a small spray bottle sprayed in the ears twice daily for 3 days should take care of it, and may be easier to apply than with a syringe. Be sure to massage right after spraying the ears so the oil works its way down inside as your bunny might shake the oil out if not massaged in. Good luck!


                                                • lashkay
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                                                    The mineral oil is to rid the bunny of ear mites, sorry I didn’t mention it.


                                                  • lashkay
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                                                      How is Miss Beulah, Battie? I hope she is all better! Didn’t hear anything since Thurs. I hope I didn’t sound like a know-it-all or anything, if anyone took my post that way. It’s just that sometimes I am so eager to share a treatment or accessory for bunnies that I guess it comes across as very emphatic and alas, like I think I’m a “know-it-all.” Believe me, I’m not! I’m learning all the time and have a lot to learn from you all! How is Miss Beulah?


                                                    • BinkyBunny
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                                                        lashkay — You don’t come off sounding like that!   Sounds like you are just trying to help!  And I think it would be smart for any member to double with their vet any treatments any of us suggest.   Just arms members with more information to discuss with their vet about. 

                                                        I do have one caution though regarding the mineral oil while there is ALSO an ear infection which is what’s happening in this case.   I think it inhibits healing…I couldn’t remember for sure WHY, but I had read not to use mineral oil IF there was an ear infection —-I couldn’t find yet a thorough detailed source, but just found this little bit through a Dana Krempels Article—

                                                        “Similarly, although mineral oil or topical ointments instilled in the ears are sometimes suggested as treatments for ear mites, they are not effective in the long term, and may make things worse, if there is underlying infection.”
                                                        SOURCE: http://www.bio.miami.edu/hare/furloss.html


                                                      • lashkay
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                                                          Thanks, BinkyBunny, I do try to do a reality check on myself from time to time.  And it’s good to know all the facts…as the saying goes, there’s an exception to every “rule”  Did Dana write a book that has all her expertise on bunnies’ health?  Your bunny in your avatar is so darling…reminds me of a character actor who comes to mind from the old movies, I can’t think of the name, though!


                                                        • Battie
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                                                            Thank you for your suggestions Lashkay! I didn’t think you sounded like a know-it-all, either.

                                                            Beulah is doing very well. It’s amazing how fast they heal up. She’s just finishing the Baytril under doctor’s orders (I don’t mess around with antibiotics). I just dropped them off at my parents’ house and hopefully she won’t give them too much trouble about the meds.


                                                          • BinkyBunny
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                                                              Thanks Lashkay -  The photo credit actually should go to SaveABunny.org as this is her adoption photo they took. Miss Vivian has a strong personality and the story behind the photo is she was actually giving the camera some of her attitude (a little lunge and huff) at the moment they snapped the photo.

                                                              Regarding Dana Krempels — I wish she would write a book!  She is a wonderful and trusted resource for the House Rabbit Society, and is a rabbit expert on  AllExperts.com.    She has a Ph.D in Biology, but has had a special interest in rabbits for many years  (something like 35?) and has written some great articles on rabbit health, and speaks at rabbit events.   In her profile page of AllExperts she states some general publications
                                                              I actually got to meet her finally in person at a House Rabbit Seminar I attended (Enhanced Rabbit Health).   

                                                              Her own site  which is where you can find many of her articles all in one place is http://www.bio.miami.edu/hare/rabbithealth.html

                                                               

                                                              Battie —  so glad she’s on the mend so quickly!  That’s great!

                                                               

                                                               


                                                            • lashkay
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                                                                Great, Battie! Sounds like she’ll be fit as a fiddle back in no time! My first bun was on Baytril now and again, good medicine. Your vet must be a great one.

                                                                BinkyBunny, thanks for the webaddress of Dana Krempels’ articles. That’s the next best thing to her writing a book. Ha, ha! Good for Miss Vivian! I don’t think I’d want a pesky old camera invading my privacy either! – Even if it IS to show the world how cute I looked! lol

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