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Forum BONDING Impending neuter… and trio bond. And jitters.

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    • Addy
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        I got a new bun May 1st, and tomorrow I get to have him altered.  I’m pretty excited about that, of course, because I have two bonded bunnies I intend for him to get along with in the future.  Out of plain just wanting to see them together, I’ve let them meet, and now I have a couple pre-bonding questions.  I’ll continue reading and researching on the netz and this forum and everywhere, but I wanted to get this thread up before I start the bonding in 2-3 weeks.

        Remy, the new bunny, is a 14lbs. flemish giant.  I am wondering if he might hurt Bella, who is a Holland/mini lop mix, when he goes to hump her.  Should I not allow him to mount her if he wants to when I get them together?  Or will she be fine?  I know she will want to run away anyway, because that’s how she is with Addy now.  Also, do I try to bond all three at once or do one on one?  If one on one, should I do male to male first or male to female, or whichever bunnies seem better together first, etc…?

        Remy has been growling at me more frequently when I approach him in his pen.  I’m not really worrying about it right now since he’s getting altered tomorrow.  Does it seem like something that could be a problem though?  He’s a year old according to the guy I got him from, so I’m thinking it’s just hormones and his love for his fleece blanket.

        I don’t know if I’m playing favorites or what, but I think I’m getting myself worked up about the size of Remy and thoughts of the damage he is capable of and it just makes me want to restrain him as much as possible when I think about bonding.  He’s like the size of my two other buns put together like bunny power ranger robots.  Is it something to fret over?  He really is a gentle bun from what I’ve experienced–he just wants to lie down everywhere and be a baguette.  Are there any major differences in bonding when bonding a large bunny… to less large bunnies?


      • Addy
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          Oh whoops, I guess I’ll be waiting a month, not 2-3 weeks. But still. Preparedness!


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            Posted By Addy on 05/12/2010 12:28 PM

            I bolded in here my thoughts if it helps at all

            Remy, the new bunny, is a 14lbs. flemish giant. Should I not allow him to mount her if he wants to when I get them together?  Depends, if the other bun will have it — let him. I  do I try to bond all three at once or do one on one?  do one by one for sure, that’s the best way with trios. If one on one, should I do male to male first or male to female, or whichever bunnies seem better together first? do the harder bond first if possiblle so you got an easy transition later to make a trio with the remaining easier bun to bond. You can do the easier one first, to act as a mediator later, but it does not always work.

            Remy has been growling at me more frequently when I approach him in his pen.  I’m not really worrying about it right now since he’s getting altered tomorrow.  Does it seem like something that could be a problem though? Hard to say, wait out the 4 weeks for his hormones to fade out. He’s a year old according to the guy I got him from, so I’m thinking it’s just hormones and his love for his fleece blanket.

            I don’t know if I’m playing favorites or what, but I think I’m getting myself worked up about the size of Remy and thoughts of the damage he is capable of and it just makes me want to restrain him as much as possible when I think about bonding.  He’s like the size of my two other buns put together like bunny power ranger robots.  Is it something to fret over?  you are right, a bigger bun’s bite for example can do more damage, however, they are easier to restrain as they are bigger to grab on to. He really is a gentle bun from what I’ve experienced–he just wants to lie down everywhere and be a baguette.  Are there any major differences in bonding when bonding a large bunny… to less large bunnies? No, it should not matter.

            Good luck!

             


          • MarkBun
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              First thing, don’t worry about size. You may think that it is a factor but it really isn’t. All buns are fast, wiggly things so whether they’re 3 or 13 pounds, a rabbit can get away from another rabbit rather easily. Remember that shedding the fur that the other bun latches onto is a self defense trait so as long as flesh isn’t pulled out with the fur, don’t worry too much.

              The other thing is try REALLY hard not to be nervous when doing the bonding. Your rabbits will pick up on your anxiety and assume that the other buns are causing it and attack them for upsetting their slave.


            • Addy
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                Addy bit Remy’s nose during a scuffle and it bled for a minute or so.  I screamed, scooped Remy up, and cried and huggled him for approximately…eternity.  He’s over by my bedroom door all loungin’ and “whatevz.”  How badly will this affect future bonding?  And how long (like how many days) should I wait before the next session?

                Also, when Remy humps stuffies and rabbits, he tends to bite multiple times in quick succession and this doesn’t make anyone happy.  What can I do about that?  Also, he’s very vocal (like a whiny noise “Mrrrreeeehhh”) and stomps a lot.  He makes his whiny noise anyway like just when he hops into a carrier even of his own accord.  Could all this noise be aggravating Addy?  Both Addy and Bella are relatively quiet rabbits, so I wonder if that much noise out of a new, strange rabbit could be making things worse.

                I pet them a ton during their sessions and they are just fine during that even when I stop for a little bit.  Will too much interference make bonding efforts less effective?  Addy is an intense eye groomer and Remy hates this.  Bella apparently doesn’t mind, so Addy probably is like “Omgz WAT!” when Remy freaks out.  Sometimes I can’t help but wonder if they’re sneaking in naughty nips when they groom each other because both of them seem to get irritated during other random bits of grooming.  And that makes me all the more worried when there are bunny teeth near bunny eyes.  I tried peanut butter which I used in the brief bonding of Addy and Bella, but neither Addy nor Remy want anything to do with the stuff this time around.

                Actually, I think the problem really comes down to me not cutting the sessions off soon enough.  I think I might have to set a timer for myself because I apparently can’t stand ending on a good note.  Also, doing this I will have something to actually show me that things are getting better/worse because I’ll be able to know how long my sessions are instead of playing it by ear.  I know it’s what I need to do and everything, but then I’m like, “But they’re doing so well!  I don’t wanna end here.”  And then, of course, something like this happens.  Which got me to thinking, “Would I rather have a few more minutes of high-tension-what’s-gonna-happen-next cuddling, or would I prefer them being able to cuddle without supervision for forever?  Obviously, it’ll always be worth stopping on a good note during bonding when I remember that.”

                I think the tub bonding is actually worse for them than a pen in the kitchen.  So I probably won’t do anymore tub bonding.  They definitely were able to be together longer in the kitchen.  Actually, I only did a tub bond today because Mom’s home and she doesn’t like when I take over the kitchen .

                I refuse to let this completely ruin my optimistic attitude toward this bond, but it certainly did upset me and no doubt the bunnies.  I need to discipline myself so these things won’t happen anymore.

                Most definitely worth waiting for.  …(Even though I didn’t wait to get this picture…)


              • Elrohwen
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                  I think things sound perfectly normal so far and not bad at all. Just take it slow, and remain calm during the sessions. Timing them, or at least having a clock around, will help, because you’ll know if you’re making progress or now.

                  Are you putting all three together at once? Or just doing one pair at a time? If you are putting all three together, then I think you’re much further along than you think. Even if you’re only doing pairs, it all sounds like normal bunny behavior at this point.


                • Addy
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                    I’m just starting to seriously bond right now. I’ve done a few introductions here and there to gauge how they might do together, and of course I wanted to get a picture of them =P. This was the first official one month after Remy’s neuter day bond and it’s the first time I’ve ever see one of my rabbits bleed so I totally freaked out. Really, it’s like I’ve never bonded rabbits before because all I had to do for Addy and Bella was supervise and separate at night until Addy’s humping/spraying died down. Think I’ll retire the spray bottle, because I think it’s hurting the situation more than it helps. Remy goes crazy and jumps all over Addy and then Addy pulls out Remy’s fur. Just makes everything a big mess.


                  • Elrohwen
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                      If you’ve really only done one session, I would give it a lot more time. I think you need to do at least a week’s worth of sessions to really see how things are. The first couple can be hairy, and there can be a lot of humping or chasing or biting, but they could settled down quickly. Don’t worry too much about fur pulling – I would only worry about the bleeding. Fur pulling is totally normal and my female still pulls hair out of my boy’s bum even though they’ve been bonded for a few months.


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                        What is the Californian’s name please? Is that Addy?
                        Are you doing trio sessions? do two of them already get along? If not, I would stick to paired sessions, just two buns at a time.


                      • Addy
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                          I’m doing paired sessions with Addy (the Californian) and Remy right now. Not doing trio sessions yet. The picture of all three is when they’re all petted and between my legs and can’t really move. Addy and Remy are doing awesome in a basket setting, but definitely need to show improvement in larger spaces. Remy really feels uncomfortable around Addy and stomps continuously while making that “mreeeeh” noise. In the basket though, Remy’s always laying down on Addy’s back because Addy tucks himself under him. They always flinch and pull away when one starts to groom the others’ face. I’m going to a longish drive today, so I was thinking I would bring them along. Maybe take them to the pet store too and cart them around.


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                            Maybe you can pin the trio’s photo up in your rabbit room as a goal to work toward, j/k. It is very cute! I’d love to see a picture of Addy alone, I think Californians are gorgeous.

                            The cart ride at the pet store will make for a good session. I would love to see a video of that if possible.

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