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› FORUM › HOUSE RABBIT Q & A › Please help me diagnose Jolene
My Flemish giant Jolene is not acting like herself. I have a call in to the vet but I haven’t heard back yet. In the meantime, please tell me if I’m overreacting.
I let her romp around outside while I was gardening on Sunday for about 4 hours. Since then,she’s been acting somewhat lethargic.
Energy
She plops down in her bed and doesn’t move. Typically, she is eager to be out of her pen and binkies around a bit. I have to constantly watch her. Now she seems content to lie in her pen or a few feet away from it for hours. All her curiosity has disappeared.
Pain
She is hopping oddly, almost stiffly. She also used to do the “cat stretch.” I haven’t seen it for days. Instead, she shifts all her weight forward, like a bullfrog with her pelvis down low. When she reaches for something, she sticks her rear in the air and stretches, as if reluctant to bring her rear legs forward. She still grooms herself in various positions.
Mouth
She keeps licking her lips frequently, which she never used to do unless she’d just finished a damp veggie. She’s also grinding her teeth a little louder than normal, and it doesn’t always happen when I’m petting her as per usual. I suspected poison from eating a bad plant outside, or maybe tooth problems. However, she’s eating hay, pellets and veggies at her normal levels.
Her poos and urine all seem normal. My boyfriend doesn’t notice anything unusual. He also claims that he took her outside just the other day and had to chase her to bring her back in.
I feel like I’m going crazy. Something’s different, but there’s nothing that definitively indicates a problem. I wish she could talk. Any input would be welcome.
Honestly it’s hard to tell just based on this. That is why it is so important to have a vet do a physical examination. The thing with listing symptoms is that so many times, many illnesses just seem to have such similar symptoms. I know that’s not helpful.
I totally understand what you mean when something is just not right though.
Let us know what your vet says.
Hopefully you’ve gotten to the vet by now, but if not, just print out what you wrote. A list of symptoms you’ve noticed means you haven’t forgotten something that may help in the diagnosis. Let us know what the vet thinks is wrong.
{{{{{Healing vibes}}}}}}}}
I agree-vet time. It sounds like she’s in pain but it’s hard to tell with them. Keep us posted ![]()
i hope she gets better ((((((((((( healing vibes)))))))))))))))))
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Maybe she has injured her back some? Trust your instincts and have her seen. Sounds like she may need some pain meds.{{(((Jolene)))}}
Were you able to get her in yesterday afternoon? The vet will have to examine her. Please update!
(((((Jolene)))))
Thanks for all the good vibes sent Jolene’s way. What follows is a long-winded account of my bad habit of second-guessing things.
So on Wednesday, after 4 HOURS my call to the vet was unreturned. I called them back and there was no apology that I hadn’t been contacted. Worse, they tell me that they had no appointments until next week, but I could bring her in the following morning and leave her there in case they had time to check her. Even though this vet came highly recommended on all sorts of different rabbit websites, and I took Jolene there for her first checkup, the whole situation rubbed me the wrong way.
I started calling different vets in my area. I was really excited when I found one with a vet who specializes in rabbits, but she wouldn’t be there until next Saturday. I still made an appointment for Thursday though because the receptionist told me the other vet was also experienced working with rabbits, just not as much as his wife.
Cut to Wednesday evening. Jolene seems to be more like her old self. I let her outside and watch her the whole time in case she tries to eat something weird. She frisks about and investigates everything. I conclude that she must be feeling better.
Thursday morning, Jolene was alert and acting normal. Super relieved, I call and cancel her appointment. When I get home from work that evening, bf tells me he let her outside and she sat hunched over in the same spot the entire time. Last night, she sat in the same spot again for hours but became very excited during dinner. This morning, she was hunched in her pen and periodically crunching her teeth and didn’t seem interested in food.
I would leave work and take her today if it was an option. I can’t ask the bf to take her because his stance is opposed to mine–he thinks that she’ll get over it on her own. I almost let his logic convince me I would be wrong to take her; he reasons that if she pulled a muscle, the vet would give her pain pills and it would relieve the pain but the muscle wouldn’t heal because she’d think it was fine to use it again. I have an appointment for her tomorrow morning and I will share the results.
Sometimes vets aren’t able to return calls until the evening once they’ve seen their appointments and done their surgeries for the day. I always drop off my rabbits for the vets to look at between appointments so don’t rule that out if you feel she needs to be seen. I always prefer a drop off especially if I think they may need x-rays, bloodwork, or any other procedures.
I am glad you are getting her in tomorrow. It’s impossible to really know what the problem is. I think a pulled muscle or any other kind of injury needs some pain medications even if it is going to heal on it’s own. Pain can also keep an animal from eating.
Please let us know what the vet says.
She definitely needs to be seen by a vet- it sounds like more than just a “strained muscle”- yes, something like that would limit her activity- but rabbits as prey animals usually try to mask any signs of weakness/illness. It is usually only when they are very painful that they teeth grind, refuse to eat and “hunching up”. Those are very distinct warning signs that Jolene is in discomfort- but without a vet exam- who knows what it could be from- her gut, her teeth, there are many possibilities as those signs are pretty nonspecific.
I saw these signs in both my bunny (Penny) that died of cancer (sarcoma) and Schroeder that had GI stasis and gas.
I’ve gotten into the habit of dropping off, too. Especially on Hershey’s, the vet was able to take a look at her early on, then do some thinking and research during the day, and was able to go back and take another look if she needed to before making decisions on diagnosis and treatment. She was always kept in the cat room or recovery so it was quiet and her carrier covered.
Posted By Billie on 03/19/2010 08:17 AM
I would leave work and take her today if it was an option. I can’t ask the bf to take her because his stance is opposed to mine–he thinks that she’ll get over it on her own. I almost let his logic convince me I would be wrong to take her; he reasons that if she pulled a muscle, the vet would give her pain pills and it would relieve the pain but the muscle wouldn’t heal because she’d think it was fine to use it again. I have an appointment for her tomorrow morning and I will share the results.
My own thoughts here is pain meds are more to prevent stasis in a way. They don’t cope well with pain and it can bring on bouts of gut stasis. Poor you, worried and frustrated! Hope you get her seen and can get some relief for you both. Will you see the new vet? If anything, it’s good to have found another rabbit savvy vet through all of this.
Update on Jolene.
I took her to the vet today. He told me that he thinks Jolene’s behavior might be connected to her time outside–namely, that she may be eating too much grass. He said that since many house rabbits tend to have regimented diets, too much outside grass can upset their digestive systems, just like any other new food. The vet even said that he knows of rabbits that suffered from grass tetany and went into seizures. I looked it up online and I guess it has to do with grass and magnesium levels; it’s mostly common in cows.
I’m supposed to keep her quarantined from the yard for several days to see if it makes a difference. Jolene’s pretty sad about it. She sits by the sliding glass door and gazes outside.
A lot of what the vet said made sense–she would eat too much grass, become lethargic, then uncomfortable from stomach pain. I had assumed that since rabbits ate grass in the wild, and house rabbits ate dried grass, that it was all good.
Thanks for your concern.
Is your lawn fertilized regularly? And are there any other plants out there? Rabbits love to nibble on things and there are so many plants that can grow in our yards that are toxic (mild to severe). So if you are seeing a correlation between her time outside with an onset of digestive problems it definitely is something to keep an eye. on.
I will give my bunnies wheat grass, but honestly, I don’t know how much “lawn” grass is harmful…. I haven’t heard of it being a terribly bad thing unless pesticides were used on or near it, and fertilizers were used recently.
I do find it the information your vet provided about grass very interesting and will also talk to my own vet about this to learn more.
Maybe you can make an alternative for her to go out when she’s well. I’m thinking you could get an x-pen with a bottom, like a baby pool, so it sits on the grass, contains her space, and still lets her get some fresh air and be outside. Of course, you need to stay with her, and a screen top would make it safe from predators (hawks can be very fast even when you’re standing right there.).
If you have a sliding door, you can also leave her in the house permanently as most of us do, but open it so she can be by the screen. She won’t be able to play on the grass, but it’s for her protection. So she can run around in the room with the door open and still get the breezes and smells. Put some Orchard grass around the floor near the door for her to nibble there instead.
Further update: Jolene did a binky last night! It made me ridiculously happy since I hadn’t t seen her energetic enough to do one in a week.
My lawn isn’t fertilized. Bf occasionally sprinkles grass seed on the lawn to get the bald-ish patches growing.
What the vet said to me about grass made sense, but the other day I was trying to find more information about grass tetany online and I couldn’t find any reference to rabbits. Only ruminants like cows. I still believe that Jolene’s time outside was connected to her feeling under the weather, but now I’m not sure what the vet said was accurate.
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