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FORUM HOUSE RABBIT Q & A Mimzy’s Results-Inconclusive

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    • MimzMum
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        Well…ramp up the frustration a notch…

        I got a call from my vet today. The vet dentist whom she wanted to consult on Mimzy’s radiographs is out of town for the week taking the dental boards. We won’t be able to get her opinion on his films till next week. (Am I reading this right and she’s not even a certified dentist or do they have to repeat their tests every few years or so? This could be important if I’m going to let her put my rabbit under the knife.)

        However, our doc did get the bloodwork back. It is inconclusive in that everything looks fine except for his white blood cell count, which is elevated slightly. Considering the stress he’s been under and the illness he’s dealt with for the last year, this is not surprising, but it also doesn’t really tell us anything else. I did ask if it was possible that he could contract leukemia and she said it was, but we both think this unlikely. Everything else about him is top notch but for the nose and the teeth.

        She is using an online vet’s forum to discuss these results with other doctors, and the only thing they come back with is, the teeth look suspicious (but they aren’t able to see the radiographs that well since they don’t reproduce well online apparently.) So we may still be looking at the possibility that the two right teeth that are reproducing spurs so quickly have to come out to give him any relief.

        We’ll know better after this other vet sees his results and our doc gets to discuss his case with her, but right now, the only thing she could suggest was taking him out of state (since nowhere here does this) and having a CT done on him. This is really out of the question…I’m not taking him on a plane and stressing him more, I couldn’t afford it in the first place, and I think we’d still be chasing our tail and wasting time that could be better put to having something permanent decided about the teeth, which HAS to be the reason he’s had trouble, IMO. Even Dana Krempels has remarked numerous times on the inherent dental deficiencies of lop rabbits and I think back to how much better he felt after his teeth were filed the first time. He only began sneezing again after those hooks grew back so quickly.

        Otherwise, we could run another round of chloramphenicol for 6-8 weeks. I am really not up for that if it’s not going to eliminate the problem.

        Opnions, please? Thankies!


      • kralspace
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          aaawww, I’m sorry the test results were so inconclusive, mm. No opinion here, but lots of vibes and noserubs for you guys. I don’t blame you for wanting to do something definitive about the teeth.

          ((((teethie vibes))))) Kathy

          edited to add:    wwhhhoooaa, I just put “go out of state” with Alaska, where the heck do you GO when you go out of state?


        • Monkeybun
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            I know my mom has to renew her respiratory therapy and nursing stuff every few years or she becomes unable to practice… perhaps its the same for vets?

            I’m sorry you didn’t get a confirmed diagnosis for Mimzykins..poor bunbun


          • MimzMum
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              Thanks ladies! Your good vibes definitely help.
              Out of state (or as we call it ‘Outside’) is anywhere in the 49…although we have to cross the huge, Canadian roadblock first…lol.
              I was recommended to take Mimzy either to Anchorage (still in state) or to Washington. More likely Washington state would have the kind of veterinary care I was looking for, but there’s no way I could expect Mimzy to travel that far. And the hubby is upset enough that we’ve spent more than $1000 on him this last three months alone.


            • Sarita
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                Well if the vet is working on her board certification then she’s had plenty of training for dental, moreso than your regular vet. It requires extra certification than a regular vet. They have experience in their certification above and beyond their regular certification – I also know my dental vet did a fellowship.

                If it were me, I would wait to hear what the dental specialist thinks since she will be back next week.

                It just may be that Mimzy has bad teeth and you will have to continually do molar trims.

                I’m glad his bloodwork came back good, you want to know that if he is going to have to get molar trims on a regular basis.


              • RabbitPam
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                  At risk of sounding radical (and cranky after just getting home from 2 1/2 hours at my dentist, prepping for the new crown) my opinion favors extracting the bad teeth. I have heard so much here from people whose bunnies adjusted well to limits, and the foods for them were fine, and they remained healthy and possibly happier, that I think that’s the way to go. Of course, Sarita makes the good point of waiting the week to get the specialist’s opinion. She’ll certainly be up on the latest info. But one consideration is whether you are prolonging the inevitable, and they will eventually have to come out no matter what you do. Add to that a year of suffering that could be quickly cured, and I say let’s call him Gummy Bear and have a comfortable, happy Mimzy once again. Just my two cents.


                • Sarita
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                    Well, I’m not sure that he has any bad teeth does he? I think that would be mainly the incisors that you would consider extracting and not the molars – they need their molars. I would not want to extract molars unless they were infected. Really extracting any tooth is going to change the environment in the mouth but sometimes it must be done and a molar spur doesn’t necessarily mean the tooth is infected, it just doesn’t grow straight.


                  • Kokaneeandkahlua
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                      Awww I’m so sorry! I was hoping you would get some answers from all this *hugs* {{{Mimz}}}


                    • MimzMum
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                        This is the question that will be answered by the specialist. The films tend to point my current vet in the direction of there being some kind of ‘darkness’ around the molar in question. This could’ve been an abscess, but we treated for over 14 days with chloramphenicol (plus all the other AB’s we had to use before) and nothing has changed. So the vet dentist will have to tell us what she thinks it looks like.
                        If it’s just trims for him (someone said maybe a few trims will tame these teeth-I believe it was Sarita) we can certainly do that rather than putting him through major surgery…however, like Pam said, I’d rather not have to diddle around with the inevitable if that’s what’s eventually indicated.
                        I just know that after that first trim, he was feeling so much better after his few days of recovery…he was starting to amorously attack some of my bunny plushies on my bed and was honking again! That got my attention!

                        Ugh…crowns…I have at least four in my mouth right now that are driving me nuts. Not to sound cliche, but Pam, I feel your pain! >.<


                      • RabbitPam
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                          Thanks, MM.
                          How are crowns driving you crazy? Once they’re in, they’re supposed to make it feel and work better, right?


                        • MimzMum
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                            Mine have never fit correctly, plus something I’m ingesting keeps removing the substance holding them on, so I have to go back in and have them ground and refitted and glued back on. >.<
                            Anything even remotely cold or hot is a mouth full of OW right now.
                            I had terribly deep cavities in my molars as a kid and at some point they are either going to have to be root canal-ed or pulled…I vote to yank, personally. ~_~


                          • RabbitPam
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                              We need Beka here. She’s going to dental school. Probably doing homework as we speak. (Beka, is it to be a hygienist?)


                            • Monkeybun
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                                i’ve had a molar pulled, and I’ve had one crowned. Getting one pulled hurt like hell, and couldn’t eat alot of things for awhile, but it feels so much better now. My dentist prescribes vicodin.. maybe that helped lol. The crown sometimes bugs me, especially if I’m eating something really crunchy. Over all, I’d say the pulled one is better. No pain at all now.


                              • jerseygirl
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                                  In my mind, it seems there is some source of discomfort that prevented him eating on that side, so they didn’t get normal wear and spurs grew back. Not the spurs themselves causing discomfort initially? I don’t know….. I wonder if there are other reasons spurs can grow back so fast? There’s probably a lot to learn yet in rabbit dentistry.

                                  Sarita once said that trimming right down seemed to work better for Pepe. Like almost over trimming? 

                                  MM, I have an article on rabbit dental problems I can sent you if you are interested.


                                • MimzMum
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                                    That’d be nice, Jerz, thanks. I haven’t been able to download the dental vids listed in the forum, yet, but I’ll try to do that this weekend.
                                    I’m thinking along those lines too…he’s just not eating that much on his right side (although pellets and hard treats seem too go everywhere in his mouth) and he’s not a real chewer. I’ve given him willow toys and stuff to chew on and he’s not really interested. (usually just tossing is his thing) Certainly not to the extent the other two are.
                                    I just want him to feel better. It kills me to see him uncomfortable. I can’t stress it enough.


                                  • Cassi&Charlie
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                                      (((Mimz))) I can’t do much other than offer vibes since I have no idea about teeth, but I do feel so terrible for Mimzy since his just like my Layla and I hate to hear him suffering…especially for so long! I hope something gets resolved soon…I bet you do too MM! Good luck!


                                    • Lintini
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                                        {{{Vibes}}} Mr Mimzzzzzy feeeeeel better!


                                      • Sadie
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                                          I’ve had rabbits for about … 12 hours now, so all I can say is I hope your bunny feels better soon. What I do know about is “board certification.” When you are a doctor, pharmacist (like me,) dentist, vet etc. You can become “board certified” which pretty much means that you take an extra test after medical, pharmacy, dental, veterinary school in a specialized field. And it means that you are very good at what you do.
                                          I don’t know anything about what it takes to be a board certified vet, but it takes 2 years of self study to become a board certified pharmacist.

                                          ok, sorry about the semi-useless post.


                                        • MimzMum
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                                            Not useless at all Sadie, thank you very much for the information! You’d think I would understand about this stuff, since I wanted to be a nurse when I was young…but when I got my first blood draw at 13 and almost passed out I decided it wasn’t for me. ^_^

                                            I read the article Jersey gave me on the procedures for dental work on bunnies…I have a greater respect now for this profession. It is a really hard thing to do and so many things can go wrong if you’re not careful. So I look forward to meeting this other vet to see how she does with him, she sounds like she really knows her stuff. *nods*

                                            I’ll be sure to update everyone when I get word. Thank you for all your good wishes!


                                          • bunnytowne
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                                              OH MM.   This sounds stressful.  Hopefully this will get solved for good.   Both of you. 

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