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When I first came to this sight, we had lost a bunny because he had been paralyzed after the neuter at the vet’s. (in previous posts) but I also posted how excited I was that this vet clinic was willing to go the EXTRA mile in order to change some things and I at least felt like Nardo’s death was not in vain, good was coming from it. Well……
I finally called last week to schedule Willies surgery which I have been saving for $70.00. The owner finally called me back yesterday. [Vet Clinic Name edited out by Admin] She basically told me as nice as she could that she had another vet for me to go to. She referred me to a vet 2 hours away!!!!! And they charge $340.00 for the surgery! I was and AM heartbroken! We had some not so good experiences at this clinic so I was trying to do the “right” thing and give them another chance, we are all human and they seemed like they were willing to do what they can. That is all we can ask from anyone! We live in a very rural area (Waddington, NY) so there are not a lot of choices here. I was just so disappointed that after all of that, and then a wonderful conversation onthe phone with the owner about changes they were going to make for me to finally put my faith back into them and they do that…..brush me out the door and send me two hours away! My husband wants me to write to the paper…but I just dont have it in me. I am just sooooo disappointed. I was so excited to get this surgery behind us. I am apprehensive about it so much because of what happened before. However, I didn’t not budget that much at all. Ugh! Not to mention they have to do the appt first thing in the am like 8am. Well I would have to leave at 6am and can’t do that with the kids and school. ugh.
sigh……….. Still on our search I guess for a vet…………. it is so depressing. On a good note though….that vet clinic that far away does board rabbits….$10.00 per day which I thought was reasonable. and that is about 1/2 way between my house and my parent’s so maybe something there will pan out. (my dad cannot be anywhere around a rabbit) I am waiting for them to let me know if they would board willie or if he has to be a client there?
Well, it’s possible they realized that they don’t have the experience to spay and neuter rabbits which is why they referred you to another clinic. There is a House Rabbit Society Chapter in the upstate New York area that has a whole list of vets -have you checked their site?
Yes I did, that was the first site I checked, but the closest is 3 hours. (Lol, did I mention how RURAL we are!? ) I called another vet today and I think I might have found one. They have NEVER lost a bun. They seemed reasonable $65-110 for the proceedure. Boy, I wish I were not so apprehensive about it! But…..have to do it. It is the right thing to do ![]()
That price is more than reasonable – it’s cheap!
yeah I didn’t think it was bad. The $340.00 is was concerned about…boy that is an aweful lot. But…this vet also does not provide pain medication to buns. It seems alot of them around here do NOT. they say buns dont handle meds well. Honestly, I am almost reluctant to ask questions, seems like some just feel like you are trying to do their job or something…in fact, we are just trying to keep the bun safe. Guess I just have to let go and go from there.
The one that charges $65 to $110 doesn’t provide pain medication? Or is it just not included in the cost and it’s an extra amount? I would not take my rabbit to a vet who did not believe in pain medication for this.
I can imagine that you are very frustrated. I would have to agree that the first vet has concluded that they just are not capable of neutering a rabbit properly.
I thought rabbits can handle metcaf (?) pain medication pretty well. You should ask about it. Really – it is okay to ask a vet questions no matter if they do think you are trying to do their job!!!!
I would like to speak to the vet regarding pain killers but at the same time, I can’t pretend to know if it will be good or not? I have talked to plenty of vets that haven’t ever provided it. I just dont know. I certainly dont want the vet to do something they are not comfortable doing either… that can lead to just as disastrous results. Any of you NOT have pain meds for the bun and everything worked out ok???
I agree that asking should not be an issue. I work at a hospital for goodness sakes, however, I am starting to feel better this evening as if it was a blessing in disguise. I just worry now about the cost and coming up with the extra. The vet clinic that is so much had very good rates on everything BUT the neutering. They offered to also let me post date several checks so I felt they were better at customer service than canton just in that itself. I just have a hard time justifying spending $350/ vs. $100 dollars. There are NO guarantees. But the expensive one is also very far away. I would rather establish with a local vet. I regret in a way not getting a rabbit from a rescue service that was already neutered. I will do that from here on out. I do not think I will ever get a baby again, just for the factor I have to pay for the neuter and I will have that worry of losing him/her during the process. But I just love my willy to death and he has changed my whole life. Right now when money is extremely tight, I come home and say, that is ok…cause I have my family and willie! lol. (and dog…and cats…and horses……lol) And of course this awesome website that I love to death!
I’d definitely ask the vet about pain meds… my Monkey was sore and wouldn’t move around after her spay til she had her metacam. It made me feel better too, just seeing her able to hop farther than half a foot away! They may just provide them if asked, you never know.
When I had Ruby done the vet didn’t give her pain meds at all. Just enuf for that day and it would wear off in a bunch of hours.
She did ok tho. The 3rd day she felt good her appetite was getting good then she over did it and hurt herself. She went off her food again for another day. I watched her closer and made sure she stayed put in her house.
I did ask for pain meds they said they dont’ give them. Just with the procedure and it wears off in a bunch of hours. She was a little groggy from it.
ok, I have the full scoop now! I called back to the vet that was suppose to be $64-110. It is actually going to be $130.00 for the neuter and $15.00 for the rabies (their policy) . I talked at length with them and they were awesome! They didn’t mind the questions at all and was very helpful! Please forgive my forgetfulness, they told me what the anesthegia was, but I forgot, and the reason they DO NOT give extra main medication. They explained the type they use, the pain medication portion stays within the system for 24 hours after the surgery. They do not give extra medicine because it is a very simple procedure, however, they do not want the bunny overdoing it either and causing more harm. That makes perfect sense to me!!! I was very impressed with his very detailed information, even if I was not asking for it! And…on top of that….if we are just coming in to have an animal looked at for minor reasons…..or shots..(all animals) then only charge a $10 tech charge, the vet visit is actually $28.00 which I still felt was completely reasonable! If I bring my dog in…..first time vet visit…had her shots, heartworming testings, full gammat of priliminary tests, even the spay surgery all at once….would only be $260.00. I feel this is more than reasonable!! They have great hours and they also board. He said they never boarded a rabbit before, however, they do board and he will talk to his staff and see how they feel about it. I feel potential here!!!!! It would be nice to establish with a few different places to board too, even if nothing other than comparison.
Finally, I feel like we are on the road to progress! In case anyone is in this area or reading from this area, the name of the clinic is called Town and Country Vet Clinic- Dr. John Zeh and the tech I spoke with today who was so helpful was Michael!
WHOOOOO HOOOOOO (I would do a binky if I could!)
Rabbits don’t get rabies vaccines. Are you sure that’s what they said? Check with the vet as the receptionist might have been wrong about that. The vet should know better.
yes, that is correct. They require them or don’t. I know the other place requires it to board as well. Actually, I would say about 75% of the vets here in upstate NY require the rabies. It was the vet tech I spoke with.
But not for rabbits. I would double check that is well.
Ask to speak to the veterinarian, not the tech. There is no rabies vaccine even available on the market that has been approved by the FDA for use in rabbits.
wow, I hadn’t hear that! Seriously, like the majority of the vets I contacted AND places that will board them REQUIRE them to have rabies. hmmmm…..only thing I can think of is that in NY we have quite a bit of rabies especially in the adirondack area we are adjacent to. Perhaps this is the reason? Can you get me a link or info that I can present to my vet? I will try to ask them, however, I know that the majority of them here require giving it to them and require it to board. ugh.
They most likely are not familiar with rabbits then.
I had a vet tech tell me that I don’t need flea protection on my dogs unless I actually see fleas on them. It was almost humorous. But she was just new on the job so she is actually really knowledgeable now.
–Rabbits can contract rabies but they are not an important factor in the transmission of rabies. Rabies is passed on by saliva, when an animal is bitten. When a rabbit is bitten by a rabies-infected predator, the rabbit usually ends up dead rather than hopping home to you to bite you.
ive hard about rabies for bunnies too… all the vets i called to do hersheys spay wanted a rabies thing in order to board… ad they are very familier with rabbits…. something smells fishy…
Like Petzy said, there is NO FDA APPROVED rabies vaccine for bunnies! Thats a good enough reason to tell the vet to me!
I want the rabies vaccine myself. Apparently you can get it from bats. I see bats around here at night (outside)
Yes-Talk to them again about the rabies and the fact that rabbits shoudl not get rabies vaccine (In NA rabbits should not and do not need any vaccines). I agree with Sarita if they want to give your rabbit a rabies vaccine-then cross them off the list-they obviously don’t know rabbits.
Whichever vet said rabbits don’t handle pain medication-cross him off too. Metacam has been used safely in rabbits for years; Also I don’t agree with any ‘vet’ who will perform any surgery on any animal and not give pain medication. If you get stitches in your finger they freeze and give pain meds-why do we have to let animals suffer through the pain? I don’t get it?
It’s sadly common and frustrating to have trouble finding a GOOD rabbit vet. Keep us posted and good luck!
Definitely NO vaccines for rabbits AT ALL in the United States- different in other countries- but no legal ones in the US including Rabies.
Regarding the rabies thing. I think because they don’t normally board rabbits, they just gave you the regular requirements for cats and dogs, and whoever told you that, may have just been misinformed. . It doesn’t necessarily mean though that the vet is inexperienced, it just means you got a friendly helpful person who may have misspoke based on a lack of knowledge about a couple of things.
I have volunteered over the years at not only rabbit rescues, but for California city shelters, SPCAs, and a Humane Society and they do absolutely have to make sure the CATS and DOGS have their rabies shots updated, but that was not a requirement for rabbits. As a volunteer, I actually had to go to a seminar about rabies and the risk it could pose to us as we work with animals, and again, rabbits were not required.
Regarding the boarding – be sure to ask them that if they do decide to board your rabbit, where will your rabbit be placed? I mean if they are used to just cats or dogs, it could be stressful/noisy in the kennel area, so you’ll want to check it out first hand.
I’m sorry that you found a friendly and helpful place that is within a budget you can afford, and yet we are creating some doubts here, but it’s better to be safe than sorry, and in this case it could have just been someone misinformed and doesn’t represent what is really going on.
Ask for the vet to you call you back and speak with him/her directly about these concerns.
Keep us updated.
Posted By Bren on 02/03/2010 08:46 AM
Please forgive my forgetfulness, they told me what the anesthegia was, but I forgot, and the reason they DO NOT give extra main medication. They explained the type they use, the pain medication portion stays within the system for 24 hours after the surgery. They do not give extra medicine because it is a very simple procedure, however, they do not want the bunny overdoing it either and causing more harm.
Just want to clarify on pain meds. From what you’ve said, they do give pain med as part of procedure. They don’t give extra as take home med. I was under impression that’s quite normal (especially for neuters) not to be given extra meds. They are ensuring the long lasting dose should be enough from what I gather. Personally, I’m thinking that is reasonable….. Also, on “not over doing it” they are meaning over doing activity due to pain being masked? Again, reasonable. I think you do always have the option of requesting more meds if you feel your rabbit is struggling during recovery at home though.
A good vet WILL give an injection of pain meds before surgery as soon as bunny is asleep, or as part of a pre-med to relax the bunny. The pain should be working when the bunny wakes up- that is the goal.
Boys bounce back much quicker- but a bunny neuter is more complicated than a cat neuter- so it still more invasive and pain meds are never a bad idea. Griffin bounced back to eating at the clinic before I even picked him up later that afternoon. Cotton (female) really did not eat until the next day- do I felt that pain meds for her were necessary- as she obviously did not feel herself- as it is a major abdominal surgery. But even 24 hours later after surgery a human woman that had an ovariohysterectomy (spelling?) would want more than just the 24 injection they gave her yesterday! and that is what a spay is!
Mellow’s vet used a long lasting pain med shot as well as a pre surgery shot and did not send home any pain meds. I was concerned, but he did very well on that regime as it prevents the bunny from being in pain in the first place and he continues to eat and drink. See if the bunny vet can call a local vet with more pain meds if the shot wears off too quickly so that you do not have to drive so far to pick up additional meds.
Yes, frustration is an understatement! I have also been getting information from Davida at the Upstate House Rabbit Society and with some vets there. I am somewhat frustrated. Some vets say they wouldn’t take a rabbit to him if he requires a rabies, etc. Honestly, 75% of the vets here do
sooooo…..I have sent more questions to the vet in a very polite way and hoping he will forgo the rabies and maybe we can move forward together? ugh…..I dont think the answer is necessarily always driving 3-4 hours away. i will If i HAVE to, but I really would like to establish with someone local and have them become better at what they do. dont’ get me wrong…i dont’ want anyone NOT experienced, that is NOT what I mean. I just mean, if there are some misconceptions, i would like to clear them up and start ADDING vets to those approved lists instead of shutting down all the darn vets. I feel like such and ogar! But I can say that this vet I am speaking with has been the first one that has not minded at all answering my questions and always seems to go above and beyond in answering. they are reasonable, have spoke to many many local people and they all love him. I can’t find anyone saying anything bad about him and his staff. sooooo…..guess this is where I currently stand. If he tells me that he agrees and will not vaccinate with rabies, I may continue with him. I have also given them the information for the rabbit society and hoping they will look into becoming a vet on their list. Boy, it should just not be this much darn work and much emotion huh!? I never imagine when we got a rabbit that I would have to go through all of this. I would like to adopt another bun after Willie is neutered, however, I am terrified! I will definatly not have a baby again cause the neuter/spay is just becoming too emotionally draining!![]()
sorry, I forgot to answer the other questions. I am sure they would give more pain meds if needed….he simply stated the procedure, and what “typically” happens. He said the pain medication stays with the rabbit for 24 hours and that we would not prescribe additional. He also stated that with a boy it was simpler and not as much discomfort as a female. The overdoing part, is meaning, so the rabbit doesn’t feel ANY pain what so ever and end up injurying himself in the recovery process. They want it to be a gradual recovery. He said with the boys they are usually hoping around and fine the same day…for females is was more like a day or two.
Well, they will not put a vet on their list who thinks that rabbits require a rabies vaccination! There is not anything on the market approved for rabbits. It’s pretty telling too when another vet says that they would not take a rabbit to him if he requires a rabies shot. I have to wonder how much he knows about rabbits and if I would allow him to put my rabbit under anesthesia.
I totally understand your frustration though.
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After MUCH conversing with potential vet….Upstate NY House Rabbit Society and some vets from around the United states (boy this has been draining!!!) I have hopefully what will be the final update other than the surgery is over and successful!!!! As some of you suggested…the tech didn’t have all the info. I wrote a very nicely worded letter and faxed it to the vet there. I explained that I had concerns over the rabies, etc. and listed some resources and why. First of all, we have a very high rabies population where we live. Especially in bats and Coons. I never thought twice when they said rabies because in NYS everything seems to be vaccinated with rabies. (FYI- I do have many bats where I live, in the Country) I didn’t want to offend the vet…and he wasn’t at all. In fact, he personally called me at work within an hour and answered all my questions and concerns. He stated that I was right, there was not a rabies vaccine for rabbits. he will do it per request and I was also in contact wth a Cornell vet that states there have been several rabies cases confirmed in NY last year. Most of them were outdoor rabbits. So, he stated that it would be my choice and a personal one. But it was not required and not required to board for the obvious reasons, not approved vaccine. that made more sense to me. He encouraged me to send him any further information from these leading vets and I felt hopeful about that because he is very open to new information and he told me a thing or two as well that I didn’t know. The bunny will have pain medication that will be good for 24 hrs after the surgery and I have the option to get more if I feel he needs it. I feel so much better now. The Upstate NY House Rabbit Society has been awesome during this process in getting me tons of information. I thought I would also pass some additional information along if you have not already researched it. I want to build a playground outdoors for willie in the Spring since we love being outdoors for him to play while we are out there. I didn’t realize the major potential for something called fly strike. If you google it, alot of information comes up and some excellent info on the rabbit society page. I am going to ask my vet about this too! Does anyone have their rabbit on a prevent for this? The rabbit society suggesting building on a foundation that is cleanable…not grass or ground which I guess makes sense to me. Any thoughts?
There is not really a prevent for flystrike other than keeping your rabbits indoors. Or if outdoors doing as the house rabbit society suggested. I guess too that considering there have been some cases of outdoor rabbits contracting rabies I would be wary to even let my rabbits play for even a small time outside since it’s another potential threat.
I’m glad you were able to speak with the vet – it’s great he’s so willing to talk with you and with other vets.
Yes, you have a good point! at least bats do not come out until dark. However, I may modify that plan. (they love camping and we take them with us camping…so I have to think of something that will work for them. I also thought of perhaps taking the window by his cage and building a run up to it that I could open the window and a very secure case would be on the other side of it allowing him to get fresh air and still at least outdoor time, but more controlled environment. The only draw back to that would be not as much exercise like I originally planned. I had seen several outdoor play pens that looked awesome! Of course we see those sorts of things and get excited…. lol. It will take some more planning on my part. We have friends that have had rabbits outside for years and years. Never does anyone have these issues, and mine is better taken care of simply because he is an indoor rabbit. I am learning so much and love it but at times it almost feels like the poor guys cant do anything. I have horses too and they are similar in the fact it seems like it does not take much to take to illness and die. For such a large majestic creature, they too are very tempermental in the health category. But, I love the dialogue here and appreciate all the advice, more than you realize!
Yea it took me a while to find a reliable rabbit savvy vet. The one that did Fern’s spay is not the same as the one I currently use to bring them to checkups.
When Fern had an emergency stasis then I went to a different vet, because the vet Fern got spayed at only had one vet who did rabbits and he was not working there that day. So we went to a different vet – actually my mom did, because I was at school (being very anxious and distraught)- and I found him to be not very knowledgeable about bunnies at all. He wanted us to feed Fern yogurt and V8 juice
I knew that was wrong. He also was convinced that Fern had a furball, and that was the reason for her not eating or pooping, he gave us some goopy cat hairball stuff for this. He also game me some antibiotics for I have no Idea what, I seem to remember giving her one dose, but I just felt that this was not right. — well I knew that bunnies should not be given cat hairball stuff, and yogurt was bad for bunnies, and knew that bunnies should not be given antibiotics on some whim that her not eating was bacteria related so I insisted we went to another vet.
So off we went to a DIFFERENT vet I was crying my eyeballs out and could not even call the other vet because my speech was incoherent. Once we got there I felt like everyone was looking at my red puffy eyes (an unfortunate side effect when I cry). I told the new vet what the other vet had told us and that I thought it was wrong, they confirmed that it was and gave Fern a fluid injection (I think, they took her to the back), and gave me some critical care telling me that the prognosis was good because when I took her there Fern was curious and exploring the area. They also gave me some gut stimulants -forgot the exact name, it was a gut motility drug. They gave me a big syringe for feeding Fern the critical care and a little one for the motility drug and off we went. Fern turned out fine and the critical care was wonderful. The vets there were nice and seemed very knowledgeable, the vet even gave me some alfalfa hay to see if Fern would eat that because she said that rabbits like alfalfa and are more likely to eat it, even though it should not be given on a daily basis.
Later on the unknowable vet called to ask how Fern was doing (he was unaware that we had gone to another vet), I was very touched by this, he really was a nice guy but was unknowledgeable about rabbits. Kindness does not imply knowledge.
SO through Fern’s episode I was able to establish with a good vet and now have made them my prime vet because all of the vets there are rabbit savvy, unlike the one I went to that only one vet was rabbit savvy, and the other one who only thought he was knowledgeable. I knew I went to the right vet when in the same visit I saw one person bring in a guinea pig and one person bring in a rabbit.
It all sure does seem frustrating! Personally, I wish all vets had to learn about this. I cannot imagine in this day and age, with rabbits being sold all over the place that there is such a lack of knowledge! I cannot say I am immune to this. We didn’t have rabbits prior to 2009, however, I was unknowledgable since I didn’t have the animal in the first place. Once we became rabbit lovers, we have thrown ourselves into learning all we can. I cannot imagine being a vet and NOT learning all I can?
I’m so glad you got to the bottom of it. Sounds like your vet is good. My vet is very rabbit-savvy, but if she doesn’t know something she’ll just say…”I don’t know” and she’s very open to reading research I have found and she will also research more on her own. I really appreciate that mindset because there seems to always be more to learn… even for the experts and the way they get to be an expert is by being open.
I am so surprised about rabies with rabbits as in general rabbits (even wild) are not considered big carriers of this. But maybe because, like you said, in your area, rabies population is higher there, especially with bats and raccoons — so that would make sense since raccoons explore backyards and munch on things (leaving saliva on grass or where a outdoor domestic rabbit may also chew). Raccoons can also carry another deadly disease for rabbits (can’t remember the name of it off the top of my head) And also, from what I’ve read, just a little knick of a bite from an infected bat can transfer the disease.
So knowing that your area has a higher risk, I would also not let my rabbit outside – unless you were able to create an area, where you cleared out the section grass and started new, and built an outdoor run that raccoons and bats could not explore when the rabbits are not using. it.
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It certainly hasn’t been an easy road..lmao!!! But….I Did schedule willie’s surgery which will be the 24th. ugh….I will be a basket case, however, I will be determined to have all come out well. I have an appt. the evening before so they can meet willie, etc…. He will come home with me and then have to go back the next day. Actually, he will have to come with me to work the day before the surgery, cause I wont be able to go home first prior to the appt. That he isn’t going to particularly like. He has a larger pen area. but…he will survive. I still have to move his cage all around for when he comes home though, since He sleeps on a loft that requires two steps up. I will have to figure out a way to block it so he can just stay on one level.
As far as going outdoors, I am going to try to creat some sort of enclosed situation that has a bottom on it, not on the grass. I am going to start a new thread on that and see if others already have it and try to get some ideas.
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