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    • bunnytowne
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        I talked to my Mom today.  Told her about gentian violet.  She said yes we used that on your rabbits when I was little.  Mom says this gentian  violet should clear this stuff right up.

        I will continue to use it for about 3 weeks and see if this doesn’t clear everything up.  It is drying up his scabs and when I rub a cotton of water then the scrub the scabs come off here n there.  His hair is growing back already nice n thick.  He has peach fuzz.

        His vet isn’t in today so I will call tomorrow and update her.  If she wants to see him I will bring him in.  Oh his bottom teeth look normal size now.  Since his lip isn’t swollen and pulling his gums down he looks much better.

        Yes I know I have to get a pic of his purpleness in all his glory.   I think I have time to do it tomorrow.  teheee 

        Cotton is tired of having this stuff put on him.  He must think well my lip doesn’t hurt no more why are you still putting stuff on it.

        The gentian violet I let it sit there and keep him on his back til it dries.  That way he doesn’t ingest it.  I sing to him and pet him we sing prayers together for his permanent healing and his hair to grow back quickly.  The hair one is already being answered.  The lip I think that will come with time.

        I really think that gentian violet will clear it up  my Mom does too.  I prayed about being led to what will help him and gentian violet came to mind. When she was young they used that stuff a lot.  It would clear funguses up in no time flat.  Can’t say for sure if this is a fungus tho.

        Oh yeah  another thing.  We took our friend in a wheel chair to the herbal store. They have herbs covering a whole wall plus a corner from floor to ceiling.  Real herbs too not that GNC type stuff.  OUr friend loved it.  The wheelchair part was so easy too. 

        So I Mentioned to the husband of the owner about Cottons lip.  HE suggested I remove the newspaper and cardboard box.  So I did last nite. He misses them I know.  Being on Cottons lip it could be an allergy to something he is eating or chewing.  So I decided to give it a try.  Just in case it is that.  

        The man said those inks may be soy but they have other stuff in there and the boxes have chemicals in making them too.  True. Also that rabbits are known for allergies.  HIs friend has rabbits and fosters too and some of hers have allergies.  I am going to have to get him some more toys next week.  he already chewed and ate that willow cube all up. HE doesn’t know what herbs to use for him though.  I am scared to ask the lady about that when she gets back cuz we dont’ really know what will hurt him. YOu know I can ask and check on rabbitsociety if that herb is not listed I won’t try it.  Yeah ohhhh  I don’t know

        Sorry to ramble on so much just had so much to say


      • Barbie
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          Good luck!

          Gentian violet? I’ve never heard of it….

          ETA: Oh… I looked it up. Yay Wikipedia!


        • Deleted User
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            Bunnytowne, my mother, too, is into herbs BIG TIME. One time, my old dog had a cyst on her flank that bled and stayed for months. The vets couldn’t heal it and wanted to excise. My mother sent an herbal tincture to apply and that cyst dried up and fell off. Wouldn’t that be ironic if after all this drugs and vet appointments some old-fashioned herb cured Cotton? I hope so! Also, when you take photos of Cotton next, please take one for my “buns with blue eyes thread”, will you?

            https://www.binkybunny.com/FORUM/tabid/54/a…fault.aspx

            Also, that is very very noteworthy about the cardboard and newspaper ink. Who knows? Anything can cause a reaction in different individuals.


          • SophieBun
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              ((Healing vives for Cotton))) hope he gets a lot better very soon


            • Sarita
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                I don’t think gentian violet is a herb at all. It’s an antifungal or something. It’s been used for years to treat skin problems. I once got a baby NZ rabbit from a shelter that had this purple stuff on him which I had no idea what it was. He had a horrible skin rash which we tried treating with many things – the vet finally did surgery when he was older and just cut the infected skin off – it worked. She also spoke with one of her vet techs who told her about this stuff – she knew nothing about it either. I guess it didn’t work for Gideon (the NZ) which may be why he was turned into the animal shelter. I’ll be curious if this works for you also if your vet even knows what this is.


              • Sarita
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                  I know a master herbalist that is on one of my rabbit lists BT if you want me to contact her and put you in touch with her. It’s true that soy can have some side effects too.


                • RabbitPam
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                    That’s really interesting about your herb store, BT.

                    I’m thinking that you could get a willow tent online, or a willow basket and turn it over and cut a hole in it like I did for Sammy. I did find some peeled, plain willow baskets at Joann Fabric, and that’s where I got the laundry sized one with the handles cut out. I just cut that bigger and she fits in it.

                    Also Oxbow has made a Hidey Hut out of woven timothy hay, and it’s pretty thick and sturdy. Also available online.


                  • bunnytowne
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                      I have been treating with gentian violet for a few days and the scabs are still here.  One came off this morning and I examined it.  Still has that wet white stuff inside.

                      Esther sent me a pic of a rabbit with syphillis on the bottom lip like Cotton has.  Looks similar.   I called and talked to the other vet there Cottons vet wasn’t in today.  I mentioned the syphillis and penicillin.   He said he looked under the microscope and didn’t see syphillis but that doesn’t mean it isn’t there.

                      He will talk to his boss and to get back to him on monday.  He told me injectable penicillin has side effects for rabbits and explained things.

                      Most likely he will need a biopsy.  I am going to stop treating his lip since the scabs keep coming back and get him cleaned out for his biopsy in about 3-4 weeks.   The specialist doing the biopsy exam will be asked to check for syphillis. 

                      Esther said there is a syphillis that stays localized in one area such as the lip or face.  Oh who knows I am so tired of this.

                      Hey hold on a minute.  I read what was to the right of this pic.  I couldn’t see it b4.  This rabbit had legions on it’s privates too.  Esther is telling me that this isn’t so.  It is only on it’s lip.   Hmpf.

                      Forget the penicillin til after the biopsy.  It has harmful effects for rabbits.  Cotton has no legions on his privates at all. 

                      I keep guessing maybe it is this maybe the flower gentian violet will work maybe the chlorhexderm will work.  So far nothing has totally cleared it up.

                      This is so frustrating.  Whatever Cotton has it isn’t going quietly thats for sure.

                      He is going to be so happy and doing binkies like mad  once he discovers he isn’t getting chased every morning.  I just might go over and ask the herb lady if she can recommend something safe for rabbits.

                      I hope this isnt’ one of those things that the specialist can’t figure out. If so we won’t know what else to try to treat this.  I dont’ want to just leave it to swell up and hurt him again.

                      It does hurt for today I was giving him a treat and it touched his bottom lip.  He stood straight up swatting at his face with his little feet.  I felt so bad.  The scabs are back and it hurts him some again.

                      Beats head against wall. 


                    • RabbitPam
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                        It’s been so long since this all started for him, but I keep thinking about that fish. Was it Cotton or Ruby that was bitten by the fish on the dock one day?
                        I keep wondering if he caught something very unusual for a mammal – unless it is transmitted by a fish. (what do fish have besides mercury?)

                        Or if it was Ruby, maybe she transmitted something to him when she had a fight with him that time. Seems like it all started not long after their dock trip and fight around the same time. Sometimes something difficult to diagnose is due to an unexpected factor.

                        (I had a friend who was undiagnosed with an illness that turned out to be from her honeymoon trip to China. Seems most reporters that travel there get a shot automatically, but they didn’t give her that shot, and she caught something commonly found there but not in this country.)

                        Poor Cotton Boo.


                      • Sarita
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                          Did you already try pen-g shots? It seems you have done so much!

                          I would think if Ruby transmitted something to Cotton she would have signs as well. I’m not at all sure about the fish angle though.


                        • jerseygirl
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                            BT, that’s really interesting about the syphilis.  I don’t know if the genitals are always effected but the nose/lip can be. This is a rather technical explanation but take a look at the picture to the right.  You can click on it to enlarge.  http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp

                            I wonder whether your vet could test whether the “bug” is susceptible to Penicillin just on an isolated scab? Like if they can observe the bugs on just the scab alone, could they test the penicillan on just that also?   Even if it wasn’t syph, it might be susceptible to Penicillin all the same.

                            It’s confusing because I was wondering where he could  have contracted something like that if it was Syph.  Then I read that it can be passed from infected and non infected rabbits.  Also, that some can have the infection that and scabs can heal and it becomes a subclinical infection – that is they still have it but don’t show the symptoms.  Anyway, getting abit ahead of things – hopefully you might have more of a clue by Monday. Hang in there!


                          • jerseygirl
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                              Bunnytowne – I’ve been searching some of your threads on this to get a timeline together. I don’t know if you’ve been keeping record but your posting on BinkyBunny has created a diary of sorts. I sent you a message containing a rough timeline and links to the threads when this prob first started to occur. (I didn’t put in the thread since June when you started to “aggressivley” treat his lip).


                            • KatnipCrzy
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                                There is a fish related illness that can be difficult to diagnosis and clear up without lengthy antiobiotics.  I know a couple of fish hobbyists that have gotten this- but have caught it early. Mycobacterium.  I go to saltwater fish conferences- at least one a year- and this is usually mentioned to get awareness to other hobbyists.

                                http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2…/index.php


                              • KatnipCrzy
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                                  How did Cotton’s lip do on just the scrub- with NO other treatment?  It seemed as though it as getting better.  Are you using a scrub from your vet or the scrub that Dana Kempels advised?  They are likely NOT the same product, same active ingredient, etc.


                                • bunnytowne
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                                    I am taking notes on the fish bacterium           Am going to go thru the  timeline Jersey girl  pulled up

                                    His scabs are back. They are dark scabs I just don’t know.            Non of the small breeders rabbits have syphillis.  The one I gave her doesn’t have it either.   Ruby’s mother didn’t have it.     Honey Bunny has been tested for lots of stuff she doesn’t appear to have it.  Joy would have told me if she did. 

                                    I think I am just going to do the 2nd biopsy.    The specialist will get a hold of the skin doctor if she finds something.

                                    Ohhhh thats something  that fish bacterium story there  it mentioned granuloma.    A rodent ulcer is an eosenophilic granuloma.  I wonder if the words have the same meaning or if it is a general term.

                                    His Dr. won’t be in til Tuesday.  She may want to see him.   I can ask her to mention this to the specialist.

                                    I got Cotton 2 new chew toys.  HE is enoying them. HE banged his bell a lot last nite.  He ended up somehow pulling it off the clasps lol.

                                    Maybe I should take him to the dock with me. I just brushed him.  He hide in his house since I got up from my nap so I made him come out.  Then I picked him up for his brushing.  He did real good with me picking him up.  It is only in the mornings that he plays chase.  Today I didn’t medicate him but I did check his lip and they are back. 

                                    Will this drama ever end for Cotton.   OH please God let it end and be gone once n for all. 


                                  • bunnytowne
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                                      Ok I read the timeline stuff.   When I first noticed this it did not look like the bite he had on his upper lip under his nose.  The bottom lip looked different.  

                                      Dr Perez said he didn’t see syphillis under the microscope.   If he has syphillis I would think from cleaning his privates or eating cecals it would have spread.   Who knows.

                                      This is just the most frustrating thing I have ever encountered.   My son when he was small he used to get weird stuff.  Now that he is a grown man and no more weird stuff    Cotton has taken his place with weird stuff.  

                                      What if the specialist doesnt’ find anything.   What if he goes back on the prednisone  and can’t stay on it cuz it upsets his stomache.  I guess I would wash it with the scrub again. 

                                      IF the specialist finds nothing what do I do.   Just let it be and it gets all swollen up again?  Then it gets so bad I have to put him down.  Am I giving up too soon on the scrub?   Noo I don’t think so cuz the scabs come off when they get wet 2x in a row from the water cotton ball then the scrub then the water cotton ball again.

                                      But it did bring the swelling down and he feels good. 

                                      OH mind shut up I don’t want to hear it.  where is that mute button for my mind to shut it off or change the station 

                                      Maybe I should give the technocare a try.   Is it different than Chlorhexderm   Maybe I should email them and find out.


                                    • bunnytowne
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                                        I can’t find the hospital place that sells the technocare.

                                        Guess I can email Dana again and ask for that info again.


                                      • Sarita
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                                          Let me see if I can pull it up BT.


                                        • Sarita
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                                            http://www.saveritemedical.com/technicare-…51530.html

                                            Here it is.  Let me know about what I emailed you about.


                                          • bunnytowne
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                                              Alriiiight got going Sarita.    See I told y’all Sarita knows all things.  lol,.

                                              I looked all over and kept getting some type of company out of arab emirates or something…

                                              I will email you. oh on messages here I mean.


                                            • jerseygirl
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                                                Oh – I thought you had already tried the techno care! It seems the last thing (the scrub?) you were using really helped but after stopping the scabs started to appear again. Was that the Chlorhexderm? Maybe stick with that until you vet can give advice. I didn’t think the prednisone really helped did it? You used that really early on from what I read in the earlier threads.


                                              • bunnytowne
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                                                  OH I get so confused about what I should do.   Cotton gets stressed with the constant treatments.  I think I will go back to 2x a day he can see his vet tuesday so that is really only 2x tomorrow.  I may be making it worse stopping. 

                                                  I wish I knew what to do to fix this.  So confusing.

                                                  The prednisone worked great the first week but after that no change and it upset his stomache. 

                                                  I am going to email and see if technocare and chlorhexderm are the same or not.  Good thing I am not on a depressive bipolar cycle.  I would cry my eyes out.   Poor Boo.

                                                  HE is happy tonite chewing his new chew toy.  Running here n there with binkies and checking out the stuff on the couch.  It is all worth it.  if he has to continue to endure scrubs then so be it.


                                                • bunnytowne
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                                                    I just checked the technocare it isnt’ the same as chlorhexderm.  and Dana Krempels responded too. YEs she is fast JErsey girl


                                                  • jerseygirl
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                                                      Ah – you and me! We need not to dwell too much on things. Well, Cotton certainly appeared a perky, happy boy in that video you posted.


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                                                        I know how hard it can be to focus on anything when your bunny is sick – especially when you don’t know what to do. Its so overshelming especially since bunnies can’t tell us what is wrong. I hope that Cotton is doing better soon – and my husband and I will be praying for his healing as well


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                                                          WEll…..  the vet and I decided to do the biopsy Dec 3.   Stopping all treatments so the biopsy comes out right

                                                          Seems Technocare has some kind of recall or something?   So none of that it seems.   Hopefully the biopsy will tell us what we need to know so the proper care can be taken and heal him for good.

                                                          He is still active and running about.   He even tried to chew on the computer chair.  He had gotten 1 side already a while back.   I told him to cut it out stop chewing that.   And he did   Wow.   Thats cool.

                                                          Isn’t it nice when they listen.   lol  

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