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This has been a harrowing day. It wasn’t Shadow this time…it was his son, Taiku.
I got up about 10 (I’ve had lousy sleep lately and wasn’t feeling all too well myself) and my husband came in and told me (after walking the dogs) that Taiku didn’t look so good. Needless to say, just that phrase will get my spine stiffening.
I went out to look at him and, yeah, he was hunched up and puking a little, plus his fur wasn’t bouncing back when I pinched it. But we kind of wrote it off as dehydration (he is really bad about drinking water and it’s been in the 70’s for the last few days with high humidity) and the hubby proceeds to drive to town to get some groceries I hadn’t had time to pick up the day before.
So I do my best to keep an eye on Taiku. But fifteen to twenty minutes after my husband left, I was seeing bad signs of something I’d seen before.
He’s pacing the enclosure, snapping his jaws together (indication of pain) and whining, almost crying. So I try to get a look at his gums (which is hard from all the way across the puppy pen) but even from a distance I can see-as he’s panting his guts out-that they are bright white.
So I’m on the phone to hubby in a thrice. He’s already most of the way to town (30 miles). I tell him hang the groceries and get back here, Taiku is going to die.
We actually met halfway on the road (he very wisely had me get the dog in the car and start driving, he would catch me up) and we’d switch cars. I was shrieking the 23rd Psalm at the top of my lungs the whole way. I knew the poor dog was in terrible pain and the bumpy road wasn’t helping either of us. By the time hubby and I passed each other, I was too crazed to go any further. He parked his truck and I got in the back of mine with the dog.
By this time, Taiku is in desperate distress. Before we can get to town, he is slumping to the floor, slathering and falling into seizures. His eyes are glazing over. I can’t tell if he’s breathing. I am sure he’s going into shock or his heart is giving out. So the hubby stops the car and is ready to jump in the back to give him CPR. Luckily the dog jerks his head up and from that point on (knowing by now it’s definitely GDV and he’s nearing the crisis point) I just keep shaking his shoulder and rubbing his ears really hard and screaming for him to hang on, follow my voice and stay with us. Hubby gest back in the cockpit and blazes the rest of the way.
Taiku is a limp rag by the time we get to the vet. We drove over curbs and ran red lights…a cop had already stopped my husband on his way back from town earlier and let him off with a warning for speeding. We carry Taiku into our wonderful vets, who takes one look at him and knows it’s bloat, gives him a 50/50 chance. We take it.
So for the second time this year, I spend most of my morning sitting in a vet ER waiting to see if my dog is going to live or die. Taiku’s symptoms did not present at all like Shadow’s. He has a much lower tolerance for pain. When we got there he was in defib. We were moments from losing him. That EKG was the scariest thing I have ever seen.
After some pain meds, a lavage and the removal of excess gas, he was prepped for surgery and looking a bit better, but his disease had progressed much farther and faster than Shadow’s. It was a nail biter all the way. The whole time I beat myself up…the other doctor had warned me this could happen with him since his dad had it. But we thought we could beat it with simple maintenance. The idea of another surgery after Shadow’s was unthinkable. And of course now, I have ER trauma surgery and the 3 day weekend charge to deal with on Tuesday. I feel so stupid. Pricey object lesson.
The vet managed to get his stomach turned back in place and he pinked back up in all his tissues really well. He surprised even the doctor with his rapid stabilzation. But the next 24 hours are key. It’s the extent of the back up toxins in his body now that are going to keep his heartbeat unsteady and possibly cause other organ failure. Brain, heart, kidneys and liver are all greatly affected. But when we last talked to the doctor, about an hour ago, he said Taiku was doing very well. I can only pray he pulls through.
Right now he’s recuperating at the doc’s, they will watch him this evening and for the next day and as long as his electrolytes balance out and the heart continues to clear up, he may be home in a few days. Then comes the long, laborious process we just went through with Shadow.
Would everyone please keep a good thought for Taiku? He’s a bit of a doorknob mentally, but he’s a good dog and we busted hump to keep him alive, risking our own in the process. When we took Shadow in, it was during a blizzard and at night and we had the same result, just barely got him there in time. Today was such a beautiful day weather wise, but there are some crazy suckers out on the road this weekend!
Taiku was much worse off than Shadow also, whether his stomach twisted faster or he’d been sick longer than we realized. He actually ‘died’ a few times in the car on the way in. I know that glazed look in the eyes. And how he was jerking about. I could only beg him not to die on me, he deserved better than this and I wasn’t going through that again. (Watched my elder cat a few years ago stroke out and slowly suffocate in my arms, it’s not a pretty sight.)
He’s an old boy, about 2 years younger than Shadow. Heredity plays a big part in this disorder. I can’t emphasize it enough, if you own a large breed dog, PLEASE read up on GDV (gastrointestinal dilatation and volvulus) and take pains to either get the preventive surgery for your dog or be careful how you feed, exercise and water him, It only takes from a few hours to sometimes less that 30 minutes for a dog to acquire and die from this horrible illness! It is immeasurably painful for the dog and terrifying.
And I’m going to go have some attitude adjustment myself and lie down now. I am still a basket case.
OMG I would be an absolute wreck. *HUGS* Sendng healing vibes!!
– Annette
…Oh, and would a kind admin, if you have time, please fix my stupid typo on the post title. I’d really appreciate it.
I’m really not as illiterate as I appear. ![]()
Thank you, Annette! ^_^
GDV always terrified me when I had a Great Pyrenees / Saint Bernard mix and both his mom and dad were prone to bloat. I did everything told to prevent it. Split his meals into 4 times a day, limited his water after eating, no exercise for 2 hours after eating, rarely changed brands of food, bought a brake-fast bowl to slow down his eating, fed foods with high meat content and little to no grains, fed alone so he didn’t feel rushed, and had my vet on speed dial. I was still terrified.
((((((((((((Taiku)))))))))))))
Oh MM! What a year you’re having! What else can you do but be aware and carry out preventative measures (careful exercise, diet) ? You are very hard on yourself. I recently saw on tv a surgery where the vet stitched part of the dogs stomach wall to something (muscle?) so it anchored it and prevented twisting. Does that sound like a GDV case? This vet just did it when the dog went in for emergency surgery. Would they have done that for Taiku?
{{{(((Taiku)))}}}
I’ve never had a sick pet, thankfully. I’m sorry to hear your pups are having such a hard time. I can’t imagine how hard that must be on your family. My prayers go out to him and the rest of the family.
MimzMum-
I am so sorry to hear about Taiku. I know how nerve wracking it is to be rushing to the vet with a seriously ill pet- it makes the trip seems 10 times longer!
Best wishes, healing vibes and a speedy recovery to your sweet puppy dog!
(I fixed the spelling error in your title as you requested).
Julie
OH my…healing vibes from me and my herd. I have two breeds prone to bloat and the idea of it terrifies me. I’ve been lucky enough to never witness a dog suffering from it (which is amazing considering how many dogs I’ve crossed paths with) and I hope I never do.
Get some rest, Taiku is in the best place he could possibly be. I know it’s easier said than done but when he comes home you’ll need to be well rested and alert.
Poor, poor MM. You’ve been through so much with your critters lately.
MM,
I don’t know how I missed seeing this post yesterday and this morning, but I just found it now. I can’t believe how much trauma your family has had to cope with lately! Just when Shadow is in crisis, it moves back and forth with Mimzy and now it seems like you and poor Taiku were just blindsided.
*shakes fist at nasty gods who won’t give you a break.*
All I can do is send hugs {{{{{{{{ MM}}}}}}}}}
and
{{{{{{{{{{Healing Vibes, Taiku, with some for Mimzy and Shadow}}}}}}}}}}}
Thank you everyone for your kind words and vibes. I’m afraid I’ve not gotten the greatest sleep last night, so my post is most likely going to sound like a lot of useless gibberish. My apologies in advance.
Even last night when we called the vet to check on him, Doctor seemed to be impressed at how well he was doing. This morning we got a progress report that he is actually up and alert and if he keeps food down, he could even come home tonight. But we think it would be best to have them watch him tonight and maybe tomorrow also (yes holiday hours, but someone will be there to check all the pets there) just to be sure he has no further heart trouble. I could not possibly go through another banzai run like that with the risk of him collapsing and dying if he relapses.
TARM, there is something that can be done to preempt any possibility of torsion, Jerz has seen it as you can tell by her post…you have the gastropexy (tacking the stomach tot he abdominal wall) done in any dog suspect of getting bloat BEFORE it happens. It is about an $800 operation if you have it done in advance. I’m certainly looking into the thousands for the ER team. I meant to have this done once I was sure Shadow was well enough to be outdoors again, but with his gimpy legs and how mercurial the weather has been, I just didn’t feel he was ready yet. Now he’ll have no choice, as Taiku is going to be housebound for about two weeks easily. Luckily we have a nice enclosed porch (where Taiku was living-so they just switch places) that he is perfectly happy staying in.
If you Google GDV, you’ll find tons of information on the condition. Sadly they cannot be certain of it’s cause. Some say heredity, some not, some say feeding or exercise. Some say lack of gut motility (imagine that) keeps food from digesting (especially today’s crummy commercial dog foods) and it just ferments in their stomachs and starts the gas buildup…then the stomach swells so much that it begins to turn on itself. It twists like a bag with two open ends closed off. or like how you’d wring out a wet towel. and takes all the local blood vessels with it, causing the respiratory and circulatory distress…and as it progresses, the toxins in the stomach go straight into the bloodstream as the stomach lining irritates or perforates and sepsis shuts down their organs. It’s a terrible thing. I’m shaking just thinking of it.
Anyway, I am dubious of bringing Taiku home too soon. I also see a 50/50 spread that some say the gastropexy is a cure for the torsion, some information says there’s a chance it will fail. I’d like him to be at the doctor’s if for some odd reason it should fail. There is precious little you can do to keep your dog from bloating again, no cure for that. But I think Taiku (like Shadow) will be on a diet of Gas-X or Phazyme for the rest of his life…my personal choice for being sure there is not enough gas to pump that stomach up again.
Yeah, it’s been a rough 24 hours. This has the whole family stressed out and, whereas things had seemed to be going a little better for us all relationship-wise to each other lately…well now that’s kind of all been blown out of the water. I’ve got a busy week coming up too; both kids are taking several tests one day after the other to finish with their GED’s plus the cancer relay is Friday night…OY!
And I just read the post from Spacehopper in Support about Bettie Bean. *sniffle* So now I’m a blubbering mess again. I swear, I’m going to hunt down the grim reaper or the black rabbit or whoever the bugger is this week and I’m going to beat the snot out of him for making life so miserable for all of us lately.
oh mimzmum i’m so sorry… what a traumatic scene… again! that car ride mustve been so terrifying. my fingers go cold just reading your post. so glad to hear that he pulled thru quickly. (((((((((taiku)))))))))
Well the goofball came home today, finally! ^_^ We left him at the vet’s over the holiday weekend and I was expecting the bill to be huge, but thankfully it was not as bad as Shadow’s was. (I forgot that Shadow had to go in late at night, therefore after hours charges applied, but Taiku was in about noon.)
I read through the surgical manifest which we received with the billing. I had to look up a few words, as I realized that I was mispronouncing the heart condition Taiku had, he was actually in “ventricular tachycardia”, which can quickly lead to sudden cardiac death. I have to surmise that he was clinically ‘dead’ in the car for about the last five minutes of the ride in. But the dog that greeted me at the vet office today was anything but!! His turn around is nothing less than miraculous. The hand of God folks…whether you’re religious or not, I hope you don’t mind me saying it. And I couldn’t be happier, nor any less amazed, about it! ^_^
He even pulled my husband around the parking lot looking for places to do his business while they waited for me to get his bill settled and the meds he’d need for recovery. No painkillers, for some reason he seems not to need them. (whoa!) I know I shouldn’t bag on him about his intelligence quotient, but perhaps he’s just too clueless to know he was dead? xD
Sorry, dark humor…but I really had such a scare that I keep having to equivocate. God forbid I ever go through anything like that with the bunnies, it will total me. 0_o
So while I was going over the whole thing in my head it occurred to me…this dog is not your typical car riding dog, (unlike his dad), in fact he gets queasy in the car. So most likely it was the stress of the car ride that actually pushed him over the edge medically. His stomach was only rotated 90 degrees (in torsion it can go a full 360) and it pinked right up when they reset it. So he really wasn’t to the point that his heart should have stopped. Judging by the way his chest looked (very ballooned out) his stomach went sideways, while Shadow’s stomach went longways. Less stress on the heart in Shadow’s case.
Either way, he is a very lucky dog. Any time we continue to have with him is beautiful time. The only sad thing is to see how it has affected my son, who does not deal with stress well either. I think he’s almost afraid to show Taiku any affection, as he just doesn’t know when something else will go wrong and you can see he doesn’t feel the need to experience the hurt. I am sad for him and wish I’d raised him better than that.
And I owe my vet techs/docs a few Starbucks gift cards! (I did that for Shadow’s attendings, and I think we are probably on their Xmas card list by now!) lolz!
Thank you all again for your good thoughts and prayers. And thank you Julie, for correcting my typo, I forgot to say that earlier. ![]()
That is really good news about Taiku.
I’m wondering if it’s the reverse, ie. that he got queasy in the car BECAUSE his stomach was messed up. Maybe he will experience car rides better now that they have worked on it.
Your son (and daughter too) has gone through a lot of scares, if you consider Taiku, Shadow, Mimzy and, oh yeah – HIS MOM. Sometimes it’s hard to cope with the animals because you were holding it together for your humans and were already trying to be brave. Maybe he could use a little counseling, just for someone to talk it out with. Just a thought.
Otherwise, I think your whole clan could use some Ben & Jerry’s Brownie Ice Cream. A chocolate reward all around.
Wow, that’s great news! I hope the healthy vibes stay with you guys!
Good to hear he’s doing better. I agree, you all deserve some ice cream.
Well I had my heart racing for a bit this morning, as I had to take him out for a walk and he stumbled down the front steps. *foreheadsmack* I forgot they can’t really take stairs for the first week and I spent the next few hours watching him like a hawk to be sure we hadn’t ripped anything open. >.< Walking and feeding them is a real juggling act…we can't keep Taiku in the house because he actually gets very restless in here and I need to keep him calm. So he's out in the arctic entry with his papa, who is keeping him company instead of wrestling with him, which is a blessing in itself.
*sigh* Ice cream…maybe not for me now that my long walks have been canceled for an indeterminate amount of time…my opiate of choice lately has been to gorge on fresh cherries and these lovely little Kashi bars called “TLC”. The dark chocolate and coconut ones are the best. *nomnomnom*
And of course hubby is out of town again, so I am by myself with the two teens who are both dead to the world.
I feel *sniffle* SO alone! *cries*
(((mimzmum))) glad to hear taiku is doing better
hope hubby comes home soon!
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