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    • Katydidz
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        Ok, I got Binny three days ago and he’s in the middle of a big shed. He is a 1 year old holland lop and has very fluffy fur.  I’ve noticed that his poops are much smaller than Trixie’s (my mini rex) and I’m wondering if I should worry about possible gut block. I know rabbit’s are all different and that it might be nothing, but since I don’t know what his pooping habits used to be, I don’t know if I should be worried now.  His previous owner says his poops were usually about the size of a pea but I’d say they’re smaller now. He’s still pooping regularly and seems to be eating well, I’m just wondering if it’s him adjusting to a new place or if I should maybe start a little gut block prevention just in case. If prevention, what should I do? Pineapple juice?


      • KatnipCrzy
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          I would groom him to rid as much excess hair as you can.  Is he eating and drinking normally?  Is he used to sugary treats?  I would worry that giving him fresh pineapple juice if he is not used to it might give him mushy stool- he is already under some stress from changing homes, so you don’t want to change the diet unless necessary.

          Every bunnies poo is different sized- and can even vary from am to pm in a normal, healthy rabbit.

           


        • Katydidz
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            I think that his old owners gave him a lot of sugary treats, I can already tell i’m going to have to work with a little bit on his diet. So should I just keep an eye on him and make sure he keeps eating and drinking and pooping ok? He seems plenty active, I’m just not used to him yet and don’t want him to be suffering because I didn’t realize something was wrong. I will go buy a good brush tonight and groom him. I pulled as much hair off of him as I could last night but I can tell there is still lots to get.


          • Scarlet_Rose
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              Katydidz,

              I am wondering what exactly his diet was and what it is now, could please describe it?  Any sudden changes in a rabbits environment can trigger a stress response, which in turn cause a rabbit to have trouble with their GI tract.  Is Binny hunched up at all as if in pain?  Is there plenty of timothy hay avaialble?  The most important thing I can think of at this moment is fiber, fiber, fiber…to help push things through.  Is he drinking water?  If not soak veggies in water and give to him to eat, or even offer some Pedialyte

              I would say that the pea-sized poops are not large enough, but how much does your rabbit weigh?    I do want to let you know that if at any time you are not certain about stasis, now would be a good time to take your rabbit into a qualified vet for a check-up and to be sure there are no underlying health issues.  It is very hard to say what exactly is wrong as none of us are qualified rabbit-savvy vets and can examine your animal. 

              Also, are any of your rabbits fixed?  Are they housed together or separate?  Are they fighting at all?

              And for your information, here is more info on GI stasis which is a good thing to keep on hand and read over;

              http://www.bio.miami.edu/hare/ileus.html

              Please keep us updated!


            • Katydidz
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                He has plenty of Timothy Hay and seems to be eating it, he’s also eating his pellets like normal and seems to be drinking plenty of water. I don’t think Binny got any veggies in his last home, she mentioned giving him cilantro sometimes but that’s all. I’m going to start him on more vegetables once I feel he has settled in so he doesn’t get too many changes all at one. He’s not hunching or acting like he’s in pain at all, he’s actually very relaxed, though I might have heard some digestive sort of noises last night before I put him to bed but then there were new poops this morning. He’s a holland lop but somewhat on the big side of things. I’m not sure how much he weighs because I don’t keep a scale in the house but I’d say no more than 5 pounds.

                Really the only thing I’m worried about is the size of his droppings, that is the only warning sign I’ve noticed, I just couldn’t handle it if anything did happen so I want to be prepared.

                I’m sorry I didn’t clarify before, Binny is my only rabbit, Trixie died in November due to complications from her spaying. But Binny came to me already neutered.


              • Scarlet_Rose
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                  Oh O.K. thanks for the clarification and I am so sorry for the loss of Trixie. That name is very special to me as that was the name of my first rabbit. I would say that what Binny is going through is a normal stress response from being re-homed and adjusting to a new diet. I would still give veggies, but start with the “safer” ones like romaine lettuce and parsely, then slowly introduce one veggie at a time into the diet, perhaps once a week to be sure their is no adverse reaction-. It sounds like you are giving Binny a very loving home and I am sure he will have many happy years with you. Please feel free at any time to ask us questions. ..oh yes and if you have pictures, we would love to see them!


                • Katydidz
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                    There is a picture of Binny in the lounge.

                    I’m glad you think he’s ok. I just couldn’t lose another bunny so soon. I’d lose my mind. So i’m probably a little over sensitive.


                  • Scarlet_Rose
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                      I’ll go check right now! I don’t have a lot of time to peruse the lounge these days and this will give me the perfect excuse! Don’t worry about being over-sensitive, you just never know with rabbits and it is best to error on the side of caution.


                    • MimzMum
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                        I’d just like to say, I have a Holland lop and he also has much smaller poops (it would seem this is normal for him-unless he is eating fresh grasses) than my other two bunnies. One of the others is a lionhead/palomino cross (large bunny) and the other is a mini-rex (whose poops are incredibly larger than my lops’ are). But it certainly can’t hurt to be vigilant when bunny is shedding. Due to the wonky daylight here in Alaska, my three seem to be in perpetual shed mode, and a day really doesn’t go by that I don’t see at least a little fur coming out in their stool.


                      • Katydidz
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                          Ok, now I’ve noticed he isn’t eating his cecals now. Maybe still stress? ugh… bunny stress…


                        • Scarlet_Rose
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                            Hmm, this is not a good sign, however he could also be over-prodicing cecals as well. Is he lethargic at all, hunched up in pain, bloated? Something that you can do is massage his tummy and see if that does not help. Is he still eating?


                          • Katydidz
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                              i think he maybe over producing. there are cecals in his litter pan but i’m pretty sure he was just eating some. He doesn’t seem to be in pain at all. I will keep a really close eye on him tomorrow and see how he is. He ate some red leaf lettuce and cilantro this evening and took a raisin when i offered it to him but he didn’t eat much today while i was at work. I’m hoping that it just has to do with the changes, poor little guy. I’ll keep you posted.


                            • Scarlet_Rose
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                                Sounds like a good plan.   Also, here is an article on “The Mystery of Poop” that may be of interest to you, especially considering you may feel a tad stressed about your poor guy:

                                http://www.bio.miami.edu/hare/poop.html


                              • BinkyBunny
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                                  Well Scarlet has been doing a great job walking you through. I too agree that stress can cause this, and as long as he is still eating and drinking things should turn around once he’s feeling secure (but of course, keep a close eye on it because a diet change can cause this too)

                                  Have you switched pellets and if so, I would recommend switching slowly.

                                  It would also not be unusual for a bunny who had a sugary diet to have excess cecal.

                                  When I volunteered for SaveAbunny, you could always tell the “new” bunnies by their small poops. It took about a week for them to start to get to normal size with the healthier diet they would receive.

                                  As long as he is still pooping and eating, then his droppings should get larger in time with a healthier diet.


                                • Beka27
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                                    Great job being observant! You might find that for him, smaller poops are normal, or like BB said, they may “fill out” as his diet stabilzes! Keep us posted!


                                  • MimzMum
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                                      My lionhead cross has been over producing cecals. I had to cut out, not only sugary treats but pellets as well, altogether to get her to consume them again. So far so good.

                                      Poor little Binny. He might just be stressing, but as soon as you get his diet adjusted and he’s been on it awhile, I would think you should see some improvement. Sending healing vibes! ((((((((((((((Binny)))))))))))


                                    • Katydidz
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                                        Binny’s poops seem to be getting bigger and are closer to what I expected, He’s drinking a few ounces of water a day and I’ve seen him eating his hay and i’ve had to refill his pellets like normal. He’s also been chomping away at red leaf lettuce and cilantro so I know for sure he is eating.

                                        I noticed another big pile of cecals in his cage again today though which has me concerned. When I offered them to him by hand (the things we’ll do for our furry family) he gobbled them up but he had just left them before. I’m hoping this is just a by product of his previous sugary diet and not something else to worry about. I think that once I get him more strongly anchored in his new diet if he is still not eating his cecals without my prompting I’ll take him to the vet. Could I do him any harm by hand feeding him his cecals?

                                        Thanks for all your help!


                                      • Scarlet_Rose
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                                          Hi Katydidz! That’s great his poo is getting back to more of a normal size. It is possible he is over-producing his cecals as a leftover from his previous diet. It can take some time for a rabbit to readjust. I don’t think that you can really do any harm by offering them to him. My question also is, can he reach them himself or he a bit chubby to where he can’t? Sometimes a rabbit who is overweight cannot reach them but I am not certain that is the case here, only a thought I had. It can take some time for him to adjust to a newer, healthier diet which is sounds like you are doing a great job with.


                                        • Katydidz
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                                            I wondered if he might be a little chubby too but I have seen him reaching back there so as far as i can tell he’s fine as far as that goes.

                                            I’m glad you think i’m doing a good job with him. I think he’s happy I just want to make sure he’s healthy also.

                                            Thanks for all your help everybody!


                                          • MimzMum
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                                              You know Rose, this is something that I had never thought about with Pip, and sadly now with Fiver, that they might just be getting a little too chubby to reach their bums, hence why the cecals wind up in strange places around the pen. I watched Fiver this morning, struggling to get there, and he just toppled over like an egg, poor thing. He still manages to eat them, but he has a hard time.

                                              Jeez, he looked like a bony chicken when he came home…maybe I’ve fed him a little TOO well. >.<

                                              Pip I already know has a weight problem. They’re both scheduled for the vet anyway, I’ll ask her about what their ideal should be.

                                              Also, isn’t it common for bunnies who are allergic to certain veggies and stuff to have problems with their cecals/poopy butt issues?


                                            • BinkyBunny
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                                                katydidz – my vet once told me it can take a month for a bunny’s system to adjust so your bunny may just need a little more time before it’s all normal.

                                                MimzMum – Bailey had an extremely sensitive digestive system, and certain veggies, that wouldn’t bother the normal rabbit, like cilantro, would upset her stomach. Also too much of a certain thing – like she could have tons of parsley, but too many dandelion greens woudl cause problems, but smaller amount she would be fine with. In the diet section,https://binkybunny.com/BUNNYINFO/Diet/tabid/60/Default.aspx&#160; if you scroll down, you’ll see Bailey’s diet saga, and all of the discoveries of what equated poopybutt for her.


                                              • MimzMum
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                                                  Yup. I read up on that. I know I looked at it when I first got to the board, but it’s always good for a review, thank you.

                                                  I had upped the bunnies’ veggie quotient during the really cold months because it gets so dry in the house and they are such a good source of extra hydration. I think now that spring is approaching, I can lower the veggies down a bit now. *nods*


                                                • Scarlet_Rose
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                                                    You’re welcome Kaydidz.

                                                    Mimz – I think that with some small adjustments, you can trim off some of the extra pounds on your buns. How many treats, if any are they getting?


                                                  • MimzMum
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                                                      Well, they don’t get any more treats than they ever have, with the exception that I’ve had to cut almost any fruit out of their diets and of course carrots are only once a week, if at all. Pip no longer eats pellets. I give a barley biscuit in the evenings if cleanup has been easy and usually to get Fiver to go into his pen at night I make an offer of one of those or a veggie cookie or one of the berry ones that BB.com sells. Fiver eats the Oxbow Basic T now. No more sugary junkie pellets. Other than this, their diet only consists of lots of hay and green leaf or romaine lettuce.

                                                      I think it’s the combination of not only having their treats in the evenings, but also they get so little chance to exercise right now with the dog in the house. They still get time out of their pens, it’s just really limited, and until Mimzy is on the mend, it has to be juggled so that Fiver and Pip don’t catch whatever it is he has from him.

                                                      Don’t most buns start to round out after a year or two old though? Not that I want my bunnies rounded, I am just wondering how much of it can be attributed to aging as well. (Not much, I am sure.)

                                                      But yeah, I am certain I will get an earful when I take Fiver and Pip to the vet next week. >.< And I deserve it. This is why I can't wait for warmer weather when Mr. Mutt can go outside again!

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