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    • dlscanne
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        I’m not sure that there are actual answers to these I was just wondering if anyone had some thoughts…

        First of all, do you think rabbits get growing pains?  I guess any adolescent animal could.  I just noticed that Winston stretches out way more than Frank.  He doesn’t seem to be in pain, but he stretches A  LOT and even rolls around on his back sometimes.  I mean, he’s been to the vet lots of times I dont  think anything is wrong, but being a teenager I wonder if he could have some aches that are making his sour moods even worse.  Hes grown a lot in the past two months.

        Second, Frank went over a year without even seeing another rabbit.  She’s very gentle with Winston but he seems really intimidated and mad that she wont groom his head.  She does put her head down to be groomed too, which is probably a competative move, but unlike Winston her body language is so relaxed (and I swear it looks like she’s smiling).  Sometimes she even falls asleep next to WInston’s cage like that, but he still looks on edge.  Just wondering if Frank could have possibly forgotten about rabbit etiquette.

        These are silly questions I know I’ve just been curious.  I’m going to start bonding again probably in April. 


      • BinkyBunny
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          Not silly question at all. 

          Regarding growing pains, I am not sure really if they get pains. They sure do grow fast though so who knows.  But , the stretching out thing is something that I find really unique to each rabbit. Some rabbits are big floppers and stretchers!  Jack definitely goes into the “superman” pose more than Rucy.

          Regarding his mood – well, that’s a teenage rabbit! Once he is neutered, that should settle down.

          Frank could just be snobby dominant right now, but is just not ready to see her even as an equal. and you are completely right that he may see this as a competitive (for dominance) move, but thankfully her easy-going nature doesn’t seem to be too bothered by his snob factor.    You could try to help him along by smearing some banana on his head so she’ll oblige his request. , but otherwise, I bet he’ll come around especially since she’s not forcing her request, just politely suggesting.  As long as he is not attacking her when he gets mad.  (what does he exactly do when she doesn’t groom him?).

          Since you are not going to start bonding them again until April, you could also get them used to each other’s scent by switching litterboxes and even using “stunt doubles” (suggestion from our bonding section)

          Keep us updated.


        • dlscanne
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            Well, they broke out in fighting after they had been bonded for a month. Both got some minor bites. Frank was spayed last year and Winston I got already neutered (and was then vet checked to be double sure). I tried doing some bathtub sessions but Winston was still really aggressive, so I decided to hold off for awhile. Basically the site of Frank alone made him lunge, even between bars. In the initial fight Frank was relaxed until she was attacked, and then got right in there and defended herself. Winston’s going to turn seven months old in March. Once school is over and the weather gets nicer I’m going to start doing some car bonding sessions. I’m going to have a laid back summer so this will be my focus.

            Currently they switch living spaces once a day for several hours (litter boxes included). Recently I’ve noticed them really start to be more relaxed together (through bars). They do the head down to be groomed thing. They nap most of the day laying parallel against each other, fur touching and all. I’m hoping they will work a few things out before I put them together again.

            I think i will try the banana trick! Thanks!


          • BinkyBunny
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              When the fight broke out, do you know what it seemed to be about. (I know most of the time we don’t see WHY) but just wondering if he was mounting her, or being territorial over a particular resting place or litterbox or just irritated at her lack of grooming?

              Did she ever groom him during the month that they were bonded? And when they were bonded, were they fully – like cuddling, sleeping together etc, or were they just tolerating – hanging out near or with each other, but not really interacting. Just trying to get an idea of what this pair’s issue might be.

              So far though it sounds like you are doing things to get them back on track. The switching of cages, and the fact they are begin to relax is positive.

              Keep us updated once the bonding process starts.


            • dlscanne
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                Well, when I initially introduced them through bars when I first got Winston, Frank tried to box him and seemed pretty worked up. When they got their first structured face to face encounter, Frank chased Winston around quite a bit, and Winston just wanted to disappear. After a few days I realized that Frank was not going to hurt Winston, I let them work it out for about 45 minutes. They both got tired and ended up napping together. Winston was still a little uneasy, but after a week I was able to leave them out together without supervision 24/7.

                They were literally inseparable during this period. Winston had to go on a vet visit and I made the mistake of not taking Frank along…my boyfriend said Franklin thumped for literally 15 minutes straight the second I went out the door with Winston. I don’t know if I ever saw them groom each other but they did everything together, playing with the same toy, napping, eating, etc…

                About 1.5 months later I noticed them running in a circle together, nose to tail. I thought it was a new game, especially since Frank would do a binky every few seconds. Now I’m realizing this was probably a warning side on Winston’s part.

                A few days later I woke to them fighting. I’ve never once seen either one hump. They really looked like they wanted to kill each other. Winston slammed Frank into the wall, then had her on her back and was biting her. It was like a ball of fury. I obviously separated them, and Winston circled and honked for several minutes.

                I think it was a hormonal issue since this was right around Winston turned 4 months old. I asked my vet about it she thinks that is probably the case. I think he wants to be the dominant one now. The only time Frank ever seems aggressive is in defense.

                I’ll definitely keep you updated! I;m going to try and do a photo journal as well. Fingers crossed! Thanks for the support!


              • BinkyBunny
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                  Ah, yes…we call it the “death spiral” when they begin to circle. I know that with Jack he seems to recognize Rucy after she’s been to the vets, but I know he has been the ONLY rabbit I have had that doesn’t seem to be affected by his mates visit to the vet. The other rabbits I have had, would get all buggy about it and I always had to take the bonded mate.

                  Hormones definitely will play a big part in it though and so after she’s spayed, that should help.

                  Keep us updated.


                • dlscanne
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                    Winston is actually already neutered (has been for 3 months), and Franklin is spayed (has been for almost a year)! So Winston hopefully will clear those hormones out of his system in the next weeks and months. I’ve been doing as much research as I can, and both the house rabbit society and my vet said that hormones can take awhile to disappear even in a fixed bunny :

                    “When one rabbit or both are teenagers (known for competitiveness and volatility), you may want to take a 3-6 month break before trying again. ” from the hrs.


                  • BinkyBunny
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                      OHHH!!!  Somehow I missed that!   Gotcha now!  Yes, I know that the standard is it can take a month to six weeks, but I have also heard it can take longer to settle thing down

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