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    • gdiddy
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        THE PLAYERS

        Munchkin – 2+ year old female mini lop, spayed.  We’ve had her since she was a few months old.  She’s affectionate with us, at times aloof

        Lito – 4 month old female rex, not yet spayed.  We got her 3 months ago.

         

        THE STORY UP UNTIL NOW

        Introductions, as expected did not go smoothly 3 months ago.  Munchkin was immediately territorial and aggressive.  Until Lito arrived, Munchkin had nearly free roam of our house, so it was difficult to create neutral areas.  With Munchkin showing obvkous aggression, with clear intent to harm, we had to keep them separated.  Their enclosures were in sight of each other, but the two were never out of their enclosure at the same time unless we had them in a small, controlled area where we could get hold of either immediately.

        This situation lasted a couple of months.  Munchkin was clearly miffed at her reduced freedom.  And both of them made a sport out of taunting the other while still in their enclosure.  But gradually that dissipated, the taunting and lunging becoming much more show than actual aggression.

        About a month ago we began to let them out of the enclosures at the same time.  They were hardly best pals, but neither were they trying to kill each other.  At first they mostly avoided each other.

        Any problems that rose were because Lito pretty insistently wants love.  She constantly would go up to Munchkin, put her head down, bury her snout in Munckins fur, and wait for grooming.  At first Munchkin would have none of this, retreating every time.  But gradually she warmed to the idea and, much to our surprise, began grooming Lito.  Pretty soon they seemed inseperable.  Lito followed Munchkin everywhere, Munchking tolerated it, even letting Lito snuggle next to her at times.  They share their meals without issue.  All is well.

        THEN THINGS CHANGED

        Within the last week, there’s a new wrinkle.  It started out seeming like a good thing.  Lito began returning the grooming favor, which she hadn’t done before.  Yay! We thought.  Unfortunately, it quickly went from grooming to attempting to mount.  Munchkin was NOT pleased with that, pretty aggressively pushing her away.  But Lito was relentless and would chase Munckin around, oblivious to Munchkin’s rebuffs. 

        Now, seemingly out of nowhere, they’re fighting.  Either one will instigate it, it doesn’t even take the dominant act of Lito trying to mount Munchkin.  There doesn’t appear to be any intent to actually do serious harm, but when they go at it, fur flies, it’s clearly no friendly sparring.

        They went from spending 4 weeks as bestest buddies to this.  What happened?  Is this just a phase?  Will they work it out?  Will it get better once we get Lito spayed?  Making things more confusing is the fact that sometimes they’ll be perfectly civil, sitting there grooming each other.

         

        These are our first two rabbits so we’re learning as we go here.  Over the 2 years we’ve had her we’ve gotten to understand Munchkin pretty well, but these two-bunny interactions are a whole new world for us.  Any advice is appreciated.

         

        Thanks!


      • Beka27
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          welcome here!

          yes, it sounds as if hormones have kicked in for Lito. my suggestion would be to make sure they are always CLOSELY supervised when together. the fighting can take a turn for the worse very quickly and they can cause major damage to each other. recently, one member’s bun was bitten on the ear by her cagemate during a scuffle. it was sewn up, but it got infected. she ended up having her ear amputated.

          another issue is that if they are allowed to scuffle during this hormonal time, that can actual hinder their progress once Lito is spayed. Munchkin might never accept Lito if she is continually trying to mount her. it may be better to separate them completely during this time, and start fresh with bonding a month after Lito’s spay.

          what has your vet said, how soon does Lito get spayed? vets will typically do it at 6-8 months, but if she’s large they might be comfortable with doing it sooner. some vets are, some are not…


        • Sarita
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            Welcome – spaying will help but there is not a guarantee that they will bond – there is never a guarantee.

            You definitely do not want them to scuffle as Beka points out – when bonding you always want to try to end on a positive note and I think I would wait until after the spay and give Lito at least a month to recover from the spay before I try putting them together (in short sessions) again.


          • Kokaneeandkahlua
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              Welcome here!!

              Do you mind if we move your thread to the ‘bonding section’ ?


            • gdiddy
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                Posted By Kokaneeandkahlua on 10/31/2008 9:14 AM
                Welcome here!!

                Do you mind if we move your thread to the ‘bonding section’ ?

                Don’t mind at all.

                 

                Thanks for the quick responses.  It’s frustrating because they seemed to be getting along so well, and no longer having to manage two different schedules certainly had made our lives easier.

                Lito is just now 4 months old, so we were about to head to the vet to talk about spaying.  We’ll see what they say.


              • Beka27
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                  it’s just temporary. you can always try again later on.

                  we usually recommend that people adopt adult, altered bunnies when they get a second, that way bonding can begin immediately with no waiting period, but we also understand that life does not always work out the way you plan. ;o)

                  keep us posted, please, and again welcome.

                  if you have any pictures you’d like to share… we LOVE bunny pics!


                • gdiddy
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                    Yeah, we were looking for an adult, preferably male, but Lito kinda fell in our laps.

                    Here are the two of them in a friendly moment (though I’m not sure Munchkin particularly approved of this pose)


                  • Kokaneeandkahlua
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                      OH my goodness I don’t think I’ve ever seen a bun like that grey one!! So cute!


                    • Beka27
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                        Lito is beautiful! oh my word! she reminds me of another bun on this site (LittlePuffyTail’s Olivia) with those dainty lil feet!

                        yeah, Munchkin looks like she’s confused about why there’s a bun on her back… lol!


                      • gdiddy
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                          So I thought I’d come back and give an update.

                          We kept them apart for a couple months. Separate enclosures (within view of each other), and only one of them out at a time. It was very frustrating, for us and for them, as it meant a lot of in-and-out, and each of them having only half of the time to roam free. If only they understood!

                          There were a few unsuccessful attempts to get them together again, and a few encouraging “bunny dates” in the controlled/neutral environment of the upstairs bathroom.

                          Long story short, after observing them together on enough occasions to know that, while they weren’t getting along, but neither were they out to do any serious damage to each other, we decided to just let them both out and let them sort it out.

                          It’s been going fairly well. They kind of oscillate between grudging tolerance, actual affection, and “Will you just leave me alone already!” The latter being Munchkin, of course.

                          Lito still tends to seek Munchkin out and demand attention, but far less than insistently than before. Munchkin does occasionally oblige with grooming (though that usually consists of oddly aggressive grooming of Lito’s ears…I think she thinks there’s something wrong with them since they’re sticking straight up like that!). Every once in a while Lito returns the favor. They only occasionally fight, and they don’t really got at it, just a few smacks and one of them gets the hint.

                          Lito still likes to crawl on top of Munchkin’s head while grooming, which is weird. Munchkin sort of puts up with it, but it inevitably leads to a few smacks to the head (I can never tell who starts it). But whatever. I don’t need them to best of friends, I’m perfectly fine with this tentative tolerance they got going on if it means less time management on our part and more freedom for them.


                        • LilynJestersMama
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                            Oh my goodness, Lito is one handsome fellow!!

                            I like reading the adventures between Lito and Munchkin Stubborn girls! hehe


                          • gdiddy
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                              Haha, today had a 10 minute sequence of events that was an absolute microcosm of their relationship.

                              They were sitting on one of Munchkin’s steps, happily grooming each other.  Munchkin eventually got up and wandered around for a bit.  Lito came out a bit later.

                              After a few minutes of wandering solo, Lito walks up to Munchkin.  INSTANT smack to the head from Munchkin.  THEN, she wanders over to Lito’s litterbox, hops in, and, with diva-like flair, sticks her butt over the front edge and pees on the floor in front of it. 

                               

                              Then, not 2 minutes later, they’re back in Munchkin’s enclosure loving each other, and proceed to spend the rest of the afternoon snuggled next to each other.

                               

                              Weirdos.

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