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Hi all…I’m new to the site and to bunnies in general. Recently the rescue I foster guinea pigs for had a chance to save quite a few rabbits from a shelter so I started to foster a small mix dwarf bunny named Fluffers. Well, in the beginning she was a sweet, well-behaved bunny. When one of the fosters of another bunny had to move, because things with Fluffers were going so well, I offered to take her male dwarf. Both are fixed. Anyway, since Chester has come into the house, Fluffers is mean to me and really destructive . She’s started lunging and biting, whether in her cage or out. She’s digging up my carpet and has started chewing on my molding and anything else she’s not supposed to. I thought maybe she didn’t like Chester but when they are out together, they snuggle and play. There haven’t been aggressive towards each other at all. So at the risk of sounding stupid lol…Is it possible she sees me as competition now? I’m an experienced dog person and have seen that sort of thing with them. I haven’t been housing them together because I wanted to really make sure they got along before I tried that. Could it be that she’s mad about that? I would just think that if that were the case, the bad behavior would be when she was in her cage. Any suggestions would be great. I have tried rearranging the room and the insde of the cage, increasing the amount of toys they have to chew on and introduced blankets to dig in.
Have you thought about bonding and moving both bunnies in together? Maybe she doesn’t want yo to keep taking him away from her.
My rabbit has lept/lunged at me because I bring my girlfriend over so jealosy is definitely a possibility.
I thought about putting them together but I wasn’t sure if that might make things worse. I figured I would get some advice first. The last thing I want to do is do something that might make her worse. Being new to this, I’m kinda flying blind here lol.
If it is jealousy, do you think it’s fixable? Or should I call the rescue and return Chester ? I really don’t want to do that but if I have them living together, the rescue’s policy is they must be adopted as a pair. With her behavior as it is now, I’m afraid she wouldn’t be very adoptable. I
welcome here. the rescue is right that once a pair is bonded and living together, they should not be taken back apart. that can result in depression and even illness as bunnies will get lonely if they lose a mate. bonding is nice for bunnies, but it is a process. it might take a couple weeks or even up to a couple months of daily sessions where you put them together in a neutral space (where neither has been) and supervise their interactions. you cannot just “stick them together” and walk away, there’s actual a method you’ll need to follow. if this is something you want to do (and you have the time and patience to do it), i’d suggest you read the bonding section on this site. many people have shared their experiences of bonding rabbits.
it is sometimes harder to adopt out pairs. so be prepared that if you did this, the pair might be there to stay…
Thanks
I’m not really worried about them. Like I said, they seem to be getting along really well when they are out together. The rescue and I did bonding exercises before they were out together. Fluffers went to the home Chester lived in before his foster mom moved and stayed next to him for a few days. Then we brought him and Fluffers to another home for the first meeting. It immediately went well. When the rescue felt that they were getting along ok, they both came home with me. They instructed me to rearrange the room she was in and clean everything.
My biggest concern is her behavior change towards me and the destructive habits she’s started. If she behaved and was being the sweet bunny she started out as, I wouldn’t care if they were with me for a while. I was actually getting quite attached before all the bad stuff started . But if they bond that strong, I don’t know if maybe I should return him to see if she returns to normal before they are completely a couple. Or if maybe binding her to a female might be better if it’s a jealousy issue.
what was her behavior like before you got her? could it be that the place was still new and she is now starting to “settle” and this is her real personality shining thru…? it does sometimes seem like buns are perfectly behaved for a few weeks after coming to a new place, and then suddenly they’re into everything. that is usually just an indication that they are getting comfortable and letting their guard down.
i’m glad you’ve gone thru the steps to bond them. we’ve heard bad stories about buns being put together and it can end in major injury to one or both…
it could be that she is upset that he is taken away from her? how close are they to 24/7 shared housing?
I really hope that’s not the case. I don’t know a lot about her history. The small animal rescue I foster guinea pigs for was told there was an abundance of rabbits at a local shelter and they were going to be gassed. The director, who’s a vet, went and picked up the rabbits she had foster homes for and were healthy and adoptable. All we know about her is she was an owner surrender but I think we all know that could mean they just got bored of her .
If this is her “real” personality, do you think it’s fixable with him around or would it be better to work with her alone and then introduce her to a friend?
I can only imagine what you guys hear/read. I see it with all the animals. There is so much misinformation out there. That, along with the general attitutude of “it’s only an animal” can lead to a lot of ugliness. There were quite a few wacks out there who told me to “just put them together and see what happens”. Luckily, I have a lot of experience with other animals so I figured that was a bad idea. The director of the rescue also has some rabbit experience so she knew something about the bonding.
I don’t know if that’s it because she acts like that even when they are out playing and I’m just around. I also wasn’t sure how much time of just playing together I should so. They’ve been playing together without any incidents at all for about 5 days.
I’m also not sure about putting them together 24/7 because I’m not sure if I should keep him. Or her if it would be better for her to go to a home with more bunny experience. If it’s something that is fixable, I’m willing to give it a shot. My biggest fear though is that I’ll bond them and find I can’t snap her out of it and then Chester’s stuck too. I have found she’s much nicer to me around dinner time. Someone suggested not giving her food unless it comes from my hand. More whacko advice or do you think that might help?
I have to say I was ignorant to the fact that they could be so aggressive. The other day I was in the room cleaning while they were out and just walked by where she happened to be. Next thing I knew she launched herself at me and started beating my leg. She was doing this rapid fire punching thing. I had to laugh ’cause it looked kinda funny but I’m glad I had jeans on lol.
Thanks for the help. I just really want her to be a happy bunny with a chance at getting a great home…someone else’s she can destroy lol.
Hi! How nice of you to foster a bunny
Can you describe a little bit more about when she does the lunging and biting? It seems to me that not all the behaviors are related to the same thing. For example, the digging and chewing are very common bunny issues. I have 8 bunnies and not a one that doesn’t take a swipe at my baseboards anytime they can And I’ve got two diggers as well. This is a pretty common thing, and not really an intentionally destructive or angry type behavior. We can help you with some bunny-proofing tips, and there is a bunny proofing section on this site as well (under the “Bunny Info” tab at the top of the page).
The lunging and biting can relate to many different things. I have one bunny that will lunge and nip if I move at him too quickly because it startles him. I have another than lunges and bites when I put my hand in his cage because it is “his territory.” I have found in my experience that the bunnies with the worst backgrounds seem to be the most territorial, probably because in their previous life, a hand coming into their cage meant that they were going to be mishandled or mistreated somehow and so they grew to defend their area the best they could.
The digging at your pants is actually something that I usually consider to be a sign of affection. I have a bunny that does this whenever he wants a treat, and he always does it when I am leaving the room because usually it makes me stop and give him a pet. I have watched my bonded bunnies, and the male will kind of do the same kind of scratching at the female when he wants to play with her!
I also saw that in your first post you wrote that you are an experienced dog person, and sometimes it is hard for people who are used to “predator” type animals to understand the behavior of “prey” type animals. For example, bunnies show each other that they are not a threat by ignoring each other. So one way to show your bunny you are not a threat is to just sit on the floor and read a book and ignore the bunny, this gives her an opportunity to come up to you and check you out, and it may help her feel less threatened by you. Resist the urge to pet even if she does walk up to you because the action of you moving towards her can be frightening for her and may be causing those defensive aggressive behaviors.
It could be that now that you may be petting him, and you can sometimes smell like him she may not recognize you. I know that if I pet other animals, or have been at a rescue, my rabbits will lunge, growl and attack me even though I look and sound the same. So even though she may recognize his smell on him, she may not recognize you with his scent on you.
How much are the two bunnies together?
She does lunge and growl in her cage. Being that she was in a shelter, it certainly wouldn’t surprise me if she had been mistreated . I can see what you mean about the lunging for the affection. She used to do that BC (before Chester lol) but this last time it was more of a boxing which I read was how they fight.
That’s so true. I had a really hard time getting used to the nervousness of both the guinea pigs and rabbits. I have had nervous dogs before but they usually settle down much more quickly. Guess I have to learn some patience lol. When she does come to me nicely as I ignore her, do you think I should give her some carrot?
How much are the two bunnies together?
I hadn’t thought about that. I do pay him a lot of attention because he’s nice to me lol.
They’re together quite a bit. I work out of my home so I let the animals out in shifts. I also have a playpen set up so guinea pigs play in there while the buns are out. I’d say on average they are out about 7 hours a day.
I’m supposed to take them to the rescue tomorrow, just for a check up. When I talked to the director today, she said if I felt like it would be better to separate them, I could leave one with her. Do you think I should do that? I don’t really want to. I’d love for them to become a happy, affectionate, adoptable, binded pair. But I want them to like me too lol.
So they are out exploring “together” and they don’t fight? If that is the case, it looks like they could end up being bonded, so I would try to fully bond them instead of separating them.
If you plan on eventually housing them together, then it would be best to create a brand new space for them and not put one in the other’s space especially since one if quite territorial over hers.
Once they are both fully bonded, some of the behaviors may die down.
I went to the rescue this morning with the two of them…and came back with the two of them lol. Before I went I let them out for a bit and decided they were too bonded and couldn’t just leave one. Then I came online and saw that you seemed to agree with me Binky, so felt it would be best to see what I could work out with Fluffers. I came home and let them out and ignored them for a bit. Fluffers came up to explore, no growling or lunging. Her and Chester even flopped down together which means they were comfortable, right? Then I left the room for a while. I came back in to clean and ignored them. Marbles started running figure 8s between my legs and after a bit Fluffers joined in but did growl a little bit. I’m hoping with some more time and more patience on my part, Fluffers and I can be friends again.
Unfortunately, space and supplies are an issue. I moved Marbles C&C cage to another wall. When I let them out this afternoon, I left the door open so she could explore. Both were fine in there so I might try keeping them together some time this week when I can be in there to supervise the first few hours. Thanks for all the advice! Wish me luck lol.
good luck! keep us posted on how they progress…
Wait, I’m confused, who’s marbles? I have totally missed something – so you have three bunnies? Marbles, Chester, and Fluffers?
Oops…lol…Marbles was another bunny there that I fell in love with. He was a really sweet lop that I convinced my friend to foster lol. Guess I was thinking about him. So I still just have Chester and Fluffers.
It sounds like they are doing really well together so far! I think that you and Fluffers will definitely be friends. The first bunny that my husband had is a bunny with a “difficult” personality. He is the one I was talking about lunging when we put our hands in his cage. He also would rather die than be picked up, and will turn into a frantic ball of kicking, struggling and grunting if I even attempt it But he and my husband have an extremely strong bond, now Brian can even stick his head in Henri’s cage and snuggle with him!
I think that hand feeding is a great idea, but I would also recommend sometimes of just straight ignoring (I know, boring!) – because I think it will really emphasize to Fluffers that you do not want to pose a threat to her. If you want to be really weird (like I am with new shy bunnies) sometimes I even pretend to “groom” my hair because grooming is another way that bunnies show each other they are not a threat.
Thats so cute that they were doing figure 8’s around you! I think thats a great sign of affection
Moobunnay is right! I know it my sound strange, the whole “pretend to groom yourself” thing, but it can really work!
Yay! So we are making progress? Being new to this, sometimes I have no idea if what she’s doing is good or bad lol.
I’m all for being wierd if it means I’ll have my friend back. So when you say I should groom my hair…anything specific? Just play with it and stuff? As long as I’m sitting there ignoring her, might as well try it.
We did have a little break through this morning. I went in to ignore them while they were out but had carrots for the guinea pigs. Once she saw me with the carrots, suddenly I became much more interesting and she couldn’t help but come up to me. So I held a carrot out and she tried to steal it but once she realized I wasn’t letting go, she sat there and ate it. Afterwards she thumped at me and ran away with a growl but that’s ok. I’m learning that with these guys to appreciate even the slightest improvement.
We had an adoption event last week and I had to laugh at the woman who said “We want a pet but don’t have the time or money for a dog so we were thinking about a rabbit.” Uhh ya might wanna rethink that lol. Personally, I spend much less time on my dogs than I do on Fluffers and Chester. I got scared because she liked Chester and Fluffers (just from pictures) but from the conversation we had, I felt like they would be locked in cages, especially when she realized the work that bunnies really take. She kept talking about her new carpets and that being the reason she didn’t want a dog. The image of my now holey carpet came into my head lol. I just didn’t feel comfortable with her. Anyway, she went to talk to the director after I guess she realized she wasn’t winning me over. They talked for a bit and then she left in a huff. When I asked the director about it, she said she told the woman she didn’t feel like they would be good bunny parents. It made me feel really good that she was willing to turn people away, even with such a full house and no other applications. When I told her how I felt about the woman, she made it very clear that if I wanted it, I would get final approval on where they end up. That’s a relief. ‘Cause my guess is when I do finally get Fluffers to come around, I’m gonna be pretty attached.
yes, there are so many misconceptions about rabbits as pets. your rescue should get a carpet square that’s been worked over by a bunny and hang it on the wall for display… lol. people might think twice about an impulse adoption… (i’m just kidding of course…)
HAHA! Beka, I love that idea! Put up a title on top that says -“If your ready to deal with this, then your ready to love a bunny”
KFC – It sounds like Fluffers has attitude!Those are the most fun to win over! Rucy was like that when I first got her. And she’s still an independent strong personality, but she is much more affectionate now. But I actually like that spunk – she’s intelligent, curious and so much fun to watch.
Keep us updated!
Hi kfc
sounds like your 2 bunnies are getting along well. you’re lucky. I have 3 pairs and they were all different. I picked out the first 2 myself (Pringles and Daisy) and it followed the typical process, took a couple of months and I thought they were very well suited and happy. I think they were content with each other, not knowing anything else.
Then I brought home a temporary foster and WHAM! my girl Pringles totally dumped her mate Daisy and took up with the foster, Toby. Lust at first sight. She even took toys from their condo and put them through the bars of Toby’s cage.
Daisy was devastated, depressed, quit eating and hid all day long. The rabbit rescue in Dallas let us come up for a morning of dating and after meeting several lovely ladies we came home with the one who seemed the most compatible, Lola. Once home, Daisy’s initial attraction turned to a bit of irritation because of “what, she’s sharing my space” and it took 2 weeks of traditionall bonding methods. After that it was another happy, devoted couple. I think it went fast because Daisy and Lola had shown us that they did have some attraction to each other from the start.
Then I wind up with a little elderly lionhead whose owner had passed away. He lived in a small cage and had grown up in a home with dogs and cats. He had no idea he was a rabbit but when he saw my pairs he desparately tried to join them. and nearly got his head beat in. Bonding with either couple went badly so it was back to Dallas to check out another senionr citizen who had lost her mate. They bonded very, very quickly. Hershey was very adept at henpecking him and he is very, very happy to have someone to snuggle.
Since your rabbits seem to have already picked each other out, it may go just that easy for you. Fluffers seems to be warming up to you a lot, maybe she’s just concerned that you might take her friend away again, once she realizes they’re not going anywhere she may be much more relaxed.
I know what you mean about nervous. I have my piggies in the same room with 2 of the pairs and when I try to sneak in and take photos of them relaxed and flopped, the piggies start rushing about and squealing like mad so everyone jumps up. I wish I could get THEM to chill a bit…lol
Keep us updated!
Kathy