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    • Ashley
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        I was wondering if there are any horse people on here as well, who could possibly help me out with something.  My new horse, Lucky, is a paint.  I cannot decide if her coat pattern should be considered Tobiano or Overo, or possibly Tovero?  If you have any suggestions please send them my way!

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      • Princess*Smudge
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          I am a long time horse lover but just starting out trying to learn everything I can about horses, caring for them and getting proper riding training. I don’t have an opinion on her markings because I don’t know enough about it. But WOW is she ever beautiful. I love paints and hope one day to own one so I am very curious… Could you explain to me the difference between the patterns you mentioned? And also what does it mean to combine the two names? Sorry to be a bother. If it’s really complicated don’t worry I just want to know everything I feel like a kid in a candy store and want to know everything I can!


        • kralspace
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            Here’s a link to the paint horse association and their definitions

            http://www.apha.com/breed/tobiano.html


          • Ashley
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              So here is the info for both Overo and Tobiano according to the APHA website.  I’ve made the text a different color for the characteristics that Lucky shows.  I’m going to send a picture to APHA and see what they think.

               

              Overo PatternOvero
              (pronounced: oh vair’ oh)

              The white usually will not cross the back of the horse between its withers and its tail.

              Generally, at least one and often all four legs are dark. (two of hers are dark)

              Generally, the white is irregular, and is rather scattered or splashy.

              Head markings are distinctive, often bald-faced, apron-faced or bonnet-faced.

              An overo may be either predominantly dark or white.

              The tail is usually one color.   (hers is all black)

               

              Tobiano
              (pronounced: tow be yah’ no)

              The dark color usually covers one or both flanks.

              Generally, all four legs are white, at least below the hocks and knees.

              Generally, the spots are regular and distinct as ovals or round patterns that extend down over the neck and chest, giving the appearance of a shield.

              Head markings are like those of a solid-colored horse–solid, or with a blaze, strip, star or snip. (she has a blaze)

              A tobiano may be either predominantly dark or white.

              The tail is often two colors.


            • kralspace
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                Tobiano
                (pronounced: tow be yah’ no)

                The dark color usually covers one or both flanks.

                Generally, all four legs are white, at least below the hocks and knees.

                Generally, the spots are regular and distinct as ovals or round patterns that extend down over the neck and chest, giving the appearance of a shield.

                Head markings are like those of a solid-colored horse–solid, or with a blaze, strip, star or snip.

                A tobiano may be either predominantly dark or white.

                The tail is often two colors.

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                Overo PatternOvero
                (pronounced: oh vair’ oh)

                The white usually will not cross the back of the horse between its withers and its tail.

                Generally, at least one and often all four legs are dark.

                Generally, the white is irregular, and is rather scattered or splashy.

                Head markings are distinctive, often bald-faced, apron-faced or bonnet-faced.

                An overo may be either predominantly dark or white.

                The tail is usually one color.

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                Tovero
                (pronounced: tow vair’ oh)

                Dark pigmentation around the ears, which may expand to cover the forehead and/or eyes.
                One or both eyes blue.
                Dark pigmentation around the mouth, which may extend up the sides of the face and form spots.
                Chest spot(s) in varying sizes. These may also extend up the neck.

                Flank spot(s) ranging in size. These are often accompanied by smaller spots that extend forward across the barrel, and up over the loin.
                Spots, varying in size, at the base of the tail.

                (I always heard of this one being called a Warbonnet)

                I’ll have to find a photo of my mare, Jessie, she was an tobiano and died a few years ago at the age of 49!

                That is a gorgeous horse you have there.

                Kathy


              • kralspace
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                  aahhhh, great minds run in the same barn, agonya! You’re just faster than I am…hehehe

                  I’m guessing Overo, since the dark color doesn’t cross the back and she has that dark leg.

                  Kathy

                   


                • Ashley
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                    When the face is predominantly white with dark around only the top of the head its typically called a “medicine hat” paint.


                  • Ashley
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                      haha – looks like we had the same idea!


                    • kralspace
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                        No joke! I also read on your profile, besides having horses in common, we both have white, blue-eyed mini rexes, how’s that for a coincidence.

                        I had my horse (along with some others) for 35 years and when she passed away in 2001, I just couldn’t bear replacing her, so now I have a houseful of bunnies, which are wonderful. Kinda like my own little herd of miniature horses, hay all over the house and a tub of pellets in the kitchen.

                        I miss my mare, she was a real character, was constantly opening gates, walking cattle guards and roaming through town, I never knew when I would get a call that she was in so and so’s back yard eating their garden

                        Kathy


                      • Ashley
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                          APHA got back to me and they are indicating that she is an Overo.  Good to know!  I was just curious anyways.


                        • Lightchick
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                            Oh, she is BEAUTIFUL! How many horses do you have?

                            Glad you guys figured it out… I took horseback riding lessons for 10 years, then went to college and had no time or money (the situation hasn’t improved much, but I keep thinking about stopping by the local Equestrian Center and just asking some questions…maybe i could do once-a-week lessons…I was just doing little jumps on a hunter-jumper when I had to quit) so I’m way out of practice with horses. I was always into Arabians, too, and the purebreds don’t come in that coloring…

                            Remind me, Paint refers to that coloring in a Quarter Horse, right? And Pinto is the color in any breed? Or am I backwards? Or wrong entirely? Educate me, please?!


                          • kralspace
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                              beats me, paint or pinto, I think they’re the most beautiful of horses

                              Kathy


                            • Scarlet_Rose
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                                I was going to say Overo but it looks like the association got back to you (the tail is one color and the legs are dark)! They are such a lovely breed and a joy to ride! I’m a long-time horse lover and previous horse trainer. I really miss it and envy you all that are involved but I have my wonderful bunnies.


                              • Kaitlyn*[ily]*
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                                  see from the picture, it looks the tip of the tail is brown, but i know nothing about horses.


                                • Scarlet_Rose
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                                    The tips can fade from the sun and from contact with urine (the ammonia in it). However the color in the tail is not varigated like the mane is and so would be considered “solid” or of uniform color.


                                  • Scarlet_Rose
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                                      A paint is a horse with coloring and from certain breeding.  A pinto is just the color.

                                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paint_horse


                                    • Lightchick
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                                        Awesome, thanks! Just the sort of response I was referring to in your “I’m back” thread!

                                        Thanks, Scarlet Rose!

                                        (I’d forgotten about paints of Thoroughbred lineage…again, you never see a purebred Thoroughbred with that coloring…)

                                        ((Some of my favorite Arabians have been 7/8 purebred to get a certain coloring though…palomino, for example. And black Arabians, despite the children’s books, aren’t that common…and of course pinto!))

                                        (((Now I really want to ride, again! Although, if I come home smelling of horse, Lizzy might be even MORE jeolous than she already is!)))


                                      • Scarlet_Rose
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                                          Thanks Lightchick! Ah yes I miss those days of riding out on the wide open plains. I had a black thorougbred/quarterhorse that was a jumper, a saddlebred that feared water (it took a while but she got over it she was sweet) and a blue roan I was helping train (she was gorgeous) but hot (high-strung). Overall I mostly stuck with quarter horses and thoroughbreds and I would love to have had a chance to ride an Arabian. How was that experience different from say the standard quarterhorse?


                                        • Lightchick
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                                            Arabians tend to be a little more high-strung, and less “lopey”, if you know what I mean. Arabians are also interesting in that they are trained in virtually every discipline…hunter-jumper, dressage, barrel-racing, Western pleasure, harness, Arabian costume-classes, saddlehorse. They’re very versatile. But their gait tends to be a little more “up” than a quarterhorse, which has a longer, flatter stride naturally. Although Arabians compete in all sorts of Western events, too, so I guess it’s not that unheard of!

                                            I would probably actually be better suited to a Quarterhorse, personality-wise, but Arabians are just so darned PRETTY, with their little dished-out faces, and their pointy ears and flared tails!

                                            If I were going to compare my buns to horses, Lizzy would DEFINITELY be an Arabian! Pretty, smart, and SO MUCH FLASHY ATTITUDE! Robbie’s a Quarterhorse mix…a good-old-boy, laid-back and easy.

                                            I miss horses… You know what beats Arabians, as far as flash and flare, though? Paso Finos. They’re South American. They’re so special, I believe they have their very own gait! Not quite a trot, not quite a canter! (Although, again, I may be out of practice, and I always got Paso Finos and Peruvian Pasos confused… Don’t quote me…I’m not as good with the research as you are!)


                                          • kimberleyanddarren
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                                              im surprised K&K hasnt posted in here yet! hehe
                                              i really know nothing about horses im sorry, here in the uk you are lucky to see a horse lol all i know is they are EXPENSIVE lol


                                            • kralspace
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                                                If my Pringles was a horse, she’d be a mean tempered MULE!


                                              • Lion_Lop_Lover
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                                                  I would say tobiano…I own 2 horses and have been riding since I was 5 but never really read up on colours too deep, but from what I know I’d say tobiano.


                                                • LittlePuffyTail
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                                                    What a gorgeous paint! I’m a horse girl too, I have a bay Morgan mare.


                                                  • Lightchick
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                                                      Ooo, pretty! I love Morgans!

                                                      I wish everybody would post pictures of their horses so I could live vicariously… *hint, hint!*

                                                      How do you all ride? Western? English? I used to ride English. I wanted to do hunter-jumper, but my instructor was more into dressage. Which meant that I didn’t get very far into jumping by the time I had to quit. Sad.


                                                    • Lion_Lop_Lover
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                                                        I ride both; Western for my appy gelding and English for my paint mare…I’ll post pics some time


                                                      • LittlePuffyTail
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                                                          Here’s some pics of my Morgan mare, RiverBreeze Mystic Bay (aka Winnie)

                                                          We ride English, trail ride and are starting to work on saddleseat.

                                                          http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee51/MysticBay25/WinShine.jpg

                                                           


                                                        • Ashley
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                                                            I have four horses – a palomino QH gelding, a sorrel Arabian mare, the overo Paint mare that was the original start of this thread, and an appaloosa gelding.  I have pics of all but the Appy.  My QH is pretty much just a buddy – he has navicular and has a hard time being ridden.  Easy trail rides are okay, but ring work bothers his feet.  My arabian is 16 years old and for the past couple summers I’ve been using her for gymkhanas (games on horseback, usually speed events with the objective to have the pattern run correctly with no faults at the fastest time) but after this summer she’ll be my trusty trail companion.  Most arabians are skittish and high-strung but I’m pretty sure I got the one in a million that is not, because Lady is the most laid back, calm, and willing horse I’ve ever owned and I think you could shoot from her back and she wouldn’t care.  This past weekend we carried the American flag in a parade at a horse show that i was at and the wind blew it in front of her face and she just stood there and waited for me to fix it.  She probably would have kept walking if I asked her to.  And the paint is really green under saddle right now, but she will be my boyfriend’s trail horse.  Its actually really his horse, but i’ve been the one working with her all summer, so I’ve claimed her as mine until he’s the one doing the work!   And the appy was just barely broke to ride this summer, and is still very green under saddle.  Great temperatment though – before he was actually “broke” I was working him in the round pen and got on him to have my boyfriend lead us around and he was fine.  but I had a friend come and work with him to really get some work done with him. 

                                                            That’s all for now! 

                                                             

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                                                          • Kokaneeandkahlua
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                                                              Hehee Ok just saw this!!!

                                                              You guys all have gorgeous horses!! I’m so bad with colors just know the basics, usually have to look up colors to know them!

                                                              Good news, we adopted three horses on Friday They went to a great family; Two babies who were from a cruelty case and bound for slaughter in Feb, and a pony; They now live on a farm as backyard pets for the rest of their lives


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                                                                That’s great K&K! It must be so rewarding working with horses in need of rescue

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