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    • MimzMum
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        Well here was a scary moment for me the other night. And I am getting a little weary of not being able to calm my bun enough that something like this doesn’t occur.

         

        The other night, after a full day out in the xpen, it was time to put Mimzy back in his sleep pen. As always, I wait to clean until the buns are out in the xpen, then I get things all nice and tidy and leave the door to the Superpet pen open so that I can just lower them into their living quarters from my arms. Now usually I have a little struggle as we are nearing the door, and sometimes the buns get a wild hair…or hare…to try and squirm out of my arms as we get close. Usually I can just stop and calm them down and then the only thing I have to worry about is that Mimzy will get wiggy just as I set him down and then he scrambles in and might sideswipe the ramp at quite a clip.

         

        I have been advised to try to place them in the pen backwards, so they can’t see where they’re going. I tried it…it works okay with Pip, but Mim is having none of it.

         

        So we were SO close to getting into the cage without incident. He had wiggled a little, but I stopped and sat down on my bed so I could calm him. He settled down and I went for the cage door again. He seemed fine at first. At the last minute, he suddenly turns in my arms and makes a leap for the opening.

        Only he misses.

        And strikes the side of the opening.

        And slips on the hay tub below.

        And slides on some bags/grooming gloves and a hay manger to the heating element on the floor between the tubs and the wall.

        And scoots under my bed.

         

        I PANICKED…first of all because I can’t gauge how far or hard he’s fallen and second because I don’t know how I’m going to get him out of there!

         

        But after moving some stuff out of the way, I realize he hasn’t gone far and is kind of just nosing around down there like, “Ooooo, THIS is new!”  So I grabbed a bag of dried blueberries (his favorite) and coax him out with those far enough to be able to scoop him up and get him into his pen.

         

        I watched him the rest of the night, watching for ANY sign that he’d seriously hurt himself in the fall. The only thing that became apparent was some weeping from his right eye, (which I now realize had to be near where he hit when he jumped out of my arms and smacked the side of the cage door opening), and he was scratching the ear on that side. So I wiped the eye with a warm, wet cloth and eventually it stopped weeping. He proceeded to act completely normally that evening, without any limping, difficulty going to the bathroom or eating. He even got right up on his sleeping shelf within 30 minutes of the whole incident and there was no further trouble all night.

        Needless to say, he caught on that I was upset. I had constant begging for more treats that night.  It was SO hard not to cave, but I managed by just giving him extra head pets, which were usually met with the bunny butt.

        I was so scared. I stayed up till 4 AM just observing…making sure that if he showed ANY unusual behavior I’d be awake enough to rush him to the nearest ER vet…unfortuantely 30 miles away, but I’d manage it somehow.

        So here we are, it’s roughly almost 3 days since it happened. I’m afraid to take him from his pen again to move him, but he needs his exercise. I’ve even set up a separate xpen by my computer so that I can keep a better eye on him. Although he seems perfecty fine.

         

        And OMG…I am still sick about the whole thing today. Of course, it’s my fault this happened to him, and I have to make some changes to ensure his safety.

        I’ve seen Mimzy leap and fall before. When I first got him I was cleaning out his outdoor hutch and he got spooked and FLEW over the side to land on the hard floor about 3.5-4 feet down onthe other side. (I had thought he was female back then, and we thought perhaps pregnant since he was abandoned with two bucks so I was worrying about misscarriage/internal injuries for days!) And he still gives me grief when holding him and moving him from his pen to the xpen, (a distance of about 8 feet that, for reasons of elevation of his sleeping pen, household clutter and other pets that I don’t let him traverse alone), and he doesn’t let me get all the way to the ground before he scoots out of my grasp. But in the xpen, he never lands hard like this. (I am 5’4″ tall, btw, so he’s at a heighth of about 4 feet in my arms and I never let him get into the xpen before I am at least kneeling on the floor. Usually, he just slides down my legs to the ground.)

        Is there ANY WAY to ease a bun into trusting you more when it comes to in-the-arms transport? I’ve had him for a year now, and while Pip,having been a petstore bun, is VERY used to being handled (not that she doesn’t get the squirmies if you aren’t holding her right or are coming at her with that blasted furminator), I know Mimzy really prefers not. But I have no other way to move him from here to there.

         

        Yes, I know, I should have a separate room for them with their pens on terra firma and the doors just open to the xpen…I TRULY wish I had the room for that right now, but I just don’t. Other than holding him more often and trying to get him to accept my touch as something safe, what can I do to keep something like this from happening again?

        A side note: When I first got him, the only way he went from here to there was by using a pet carrier. I had to learn to handle him because now, when he sees the carrier coming, he finds any way and every way to keep from being placed in it.


      • kralspace
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          omg, I bet that did scare the daylights out of you.

          Have you ever tried a towel? 3 of mine can be picked up and transported, they wiggle and fuss, but not to the extreme. The biggest (Pringles) and the smallest (Simba) are practically impossible to control.

          I have a large soft bathtowel that I drop over them and scoop them up in my arms, both to get them out of the condo and put them back if I need to. They might eventually get their head out, but I can usually hold the towel tight enough so that they don’t wiggle out.

          They’ve gotten so used to it that when they see me coming, they sit still with a disgusted look on their face like they know the jig’s up. If they find THAT towel on the floor, it’s in for a massive pee’ing!


        • MarkBun
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            Sometimes you can carry them with a hand over their eyes. That way they feel if they can’t see you, you can’t see them so they’re safe.


          • MimzMum
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              Ah the old blind leading the blind technique! ^_^ Thanks Markus, I hadn’t thought of that for some stupid reason.
              Although I think Mimzy will squirm if he can see me or not. It just seems to be in his nature.

              I’ve tried the towel thing, but I feel less secure with that than I do by just holding them without any proxy. Although I like the idea that I can squeeze a little tighter and not worry about crushing delicate bunny parts.


            • kralspace
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                I’ve found with big ol’ Pringles that if when I scoop, I wind up with all four corners in one hand and her kinda resting in my other arm, sounds like the stork carrying the bundle. When she gets rambuncious(sp) I can lift the corners a bit higher and she really can’t get a firm stance, more like in a sling and she quiets right down.

                Every bun’s different, she’s such a stronghead diva this is easiest on both of us. Without the towel I swear half of her hair comes out, like she’s shedding it to make herself slippery or something.

                Anyway, glad your bun wasn’t hurt and I’m sure you two will find a compromise somewhere.


              • MimzMum
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                  How large is Pringles? (btw, I’ve thought that’s an adorable bunny name!) Mimzy isn’t even 5 lbs, but he’s all fury when he gets a bug up about me holding him. I’ve only recently started letting him tool around on my bed during our evening ‘cuddle sessions’ because I know how high he can jump and I don’t need him taking a header off the bed and winding up God knows where and in what condition.

                  lolz…I love the ‘stork bundle’ idea, that cracks me up! I can almost imagine the little feet poking through at strange intervals and the bunny voice all muffled, “Hmh! Lmmme ofvta hrhm!”

                  I have a beautiful big terrycloth towel that I was going to use as a flooring, until the buns decided it was better grazing material. -_- I’ll have to give it another try, I guess practice makes perfect!


                • JK
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                    Whoa that would have scared me too!  I’m always so worried about their backs because I keep reading over and over again how fragile they are!!! Can you coax him with a treat so he hops over to the night cage? When I used to confine Edson I never had a problem with getting him in because he was so easy to lure in with a treat.


                  • jerseygirl
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                      Mine is also about 5lbs. I usually carry her cradled in my arms head toward the elbow and give her head pets as I go. My vet showed me on my first visit how they usually carry them – cradled same way but tucking their heads just under the elbow so they can’t see. This is usually pretty effective. I’ve also read bunnies feel more secure if all feet are contacting something – i.e. holding upright against the chest, but I find Jersey will scoot up over my shoulder so this doesn’t work for me!

                      You could try getting him used to carrying by picking him up while you are kneeling, hold for a bit then put him down – then do it again. He may get used to the sensation more and if he escapes, it’s not so far down to go!

                      I once had Jersey take a flying leap from my arms . I made the mistake of trying to stop her mid flight and she kinda went up higher -ughhh! She crashed into a bit of wood and scraped the fur off her nose (or bony part between nose and eyes). I thought she’d have a permanent scar but the fur did eventually grow back. I tell you though, I know how you felt!! I felt so guilty and so worried. Hope you’re feeling better about the whole thing!


                    • MimzMum
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                        Thanks knowltons and jerseygirl. Yeah, Mimzy’s night pen is not at floor level, or just the word “BOO-berries!” would bring him running, I’m sure! ^_^ The thought that I should probably get him down on the floor has occurred to me more than once.

                        I do tend to cradle him as you described, jerseygirl, and it’s really the only way he wants to go. Pippi will naturally crawl into the head-on-shoulder position, but that makes me nervous for the exact reason you mentioned. Your poor bun! Glad to hear it all turned out well.

                        And I hope I didn’t make you feel like you didn’t have a good suggestion, kralspace! I just read over the whole thread and I realize I may have sounded caustic in my reply. My bad!


                      • Ana
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                          I used to have this problem with my guinea pig, and my bunny is only okay with the whole going-back-cage ordeal. Animals can be like babies sometimes, and if you hesitate with something they don’t want, they’ll only try harder to make matters difficult. I use the towel technique, but also the band-aid technique: quick! One problem might be that you’re giving Mimzy too much time to stress about going back in his pen. You say “at first he was fine, but at the last minute…”– what about not allowing for any at first/last minute. I try to go as fast as I can, so they can hardly fight, hardly understand what’s happening. And if they get stressed out, calming them down is good, but not necessarily wise– it means they win: less time in cage, and attention from mommy/daddy. Going back in pen/cage isn’t fun for anyone– we don’t like putting them to bed anymore than they like it. But it has to be done– so make it snappy. That’s my best suggestion (and the towel.) I wrap them up in the towel, and press the ends to the cage door so they kind of enter themselves by wiggling out of the blanket. That way I’m not necessarily forcing them, they just don’t have any other option… Hope that helps. Remember: speed!


                        • MimzMum
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                            Thanks furbaby, I’ll certainly keep that in mind. I guess as long as I’m not going so fast that I lose hold of him somehow, that might be the ticket. I think he really does enjoy that time out, especially when I’m holding him and he might be trying to enlongate that. You’d think I’d have surmised that, having raised two kids of my own. ^_^

                            He’s also a bigtime explorer with new things. In his pen and the xpen he’s a lump, but when it comes to mummy’s bed, ooooo…so many things to sniff and dig at! xD
                            I also think he likes catching me off guard. It seems to be a favorite pastime. >_< Almost like how my hubby used to like to sneak up on me to watch me jump, just cause he could. 0_o;


                          • RabbitPam
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                              It sounds like the advice to use a towel and speed is a good combo. The towel blocks his vision, you can get a firm grip on it even if not on him immediately (and you know how easy it is to get a hand under a grocery bag – just make it automatic) and whoosh he’s down again. Probably a medium sized thinner towel, rather than fluffy, will allow an easier grip plus he can mess it up all he wants.

                              Now is the time to get a new method. I was going to suggest a carrier but you mentioned it. However, if you can get him to learn that in the carrier every night there’s a treat waiting, like a papaya tablet, it may make it worth it. Any chance of him walking in on his own? Does it have to open on top only? You could try training him to go to bed for his nightly treat. He’s young enough to learn a new routine.

                              And boy, do I know how you feel. Last year when Spockie was losing his mobility but still climbing his ramp to his platform I hadn’t made any drastic changes yet. Well, he took a tumble down the ramp while trying to walk down it and fell into the side of his cage. It looked awful! He was OK, but I still get teary just picturing it. I watched helplessly. I changed his set up right after. Oh, it’s the worst feeling to see them fall or fly. They know it too and the parade of treats starts next. Makes you both feel better really.

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