What worries me is he refused his papaya tablet.   Most bunnies will never refuse something sweet even if they’re full.

Listen to his stomach – it should always have a minor gurgle when  you put your ear up to his stomach.  Any loud gurgling (where you could hear it if you sat right next to him in a quiet room), or completely quiet is not good.    It can either mean gas or gi stasis.    Either can happen if he’s eaten too much rich food.   Alfalfa isn’t necessarily horrible for adult bunnies as long as it has enough fiber, but most Alfalfa is still too rich (I know you said you knew that) but if he did just scarf up tooo much then his system could be on overload.

Does his stomach feel bloated at all? Is he grinding his teeth at all or getting more lethargic?

There are things you can do like try to get him to exercise as well as a gentle stomach massage to help move gas and/or to get the tract moving (depending on what the problem is)

Since I have no idea if he’s dealing with either or something else, I am hesitant to give further advice except for:

If any of these symptoms are happening I would recommend calling your vet .

Keep us updated!!  Sending happy healthy vibes!

Fujoe – Take him to the vet asap!     Since it’s been since last night it can get critical VERY FAST.  Please take him to your vet.  Don’t wait until he gets worse, because if you wait until he ends up getting lethargic, then it  may be harder to bring him around.

Papaya tablets don’t always solve the problem after, (and there is controversy about whether they help prevent at all – but are just a good treat)   Anyway, what could have happened is because he ate too many carbs which might have slowed down his digestive tract, and then the fact that he’s molting may have made it more difficult for him to move the hair through  which could cause a stasis, or he could be suffering from gas/bloat and since it didn’t pass in just a few hours, he needs to get to a vet right now.

I’m going to email you as well.   From the sounds of it, it’s urgent.     I don’t mean to scare you, but rabbits can be fine one day, and the next within hours, they can be fighting for their life.   

Do you have any gas relief drops (for babies) like "Little Tummy’s",  Simethicone is a good to thing to have in your bunny emergency kit.  If so give him a a couple of drops.  But either way, because of how long it’s been, if his system has stopped for this long and he is becoming dehydrated, he needs vet attention.

OH whew!!!  I was so worried for you and Fujoe. You did the right thing and I am sooooo glad you got him to the vet even before I responded.  I was just adding something to my post, that you may not have seen since it looks like we are responding about the same time. I was saying that it would be a good idea to have simethicone in your bunny emergency pack.  It needs to be in infant dose – like "little tummys" gas relief drops.  As well as a pack of critical care.  Critical care can be mixed with extra water to help keep bunny’s hydrated when they’re sick.   So they didn’t  treat him for gas?  Just Gi stasis eh?  Well the gurgling sound can be either.  

Probably after you rubbed his stomach, it helped get it moving again, but it was still dealing with a problem, and so the loud noises started. 

And just note to anyone: that both of these things are good things to have for when you first see a problem, but even after you offer these things, it can’t replace needed vet care if things don’t look better within three hours of treating.   And if a bunny is already at the lethargic stage, then none of these should be tried first – vet first only.

Well I’m sending healing vibes your fujoe’s way!

Keep us updated.

ADDED:   Since they are separated, can you still give them some time out together each day to hang out while you are watching them closely for poopville? Since Patina is not picking on him because he’s sick, she seems to be very kind to him, and that can be good for fujoe.   Also, can you pen them right next to each other?  I would hate to see them unbond or have problems from being separated especially because their bond is relatively new.

Thank god fujoe is better! Quick thinking is probably what saved him.

You did good!

Hope things are much easier on the road to recovery. Nothing like worrying about one of your babies…

EDITED:  THIS IS BINKYBUNNY!!!    I just was doing some admin work on the site and check on your post and didn’t want to logout and lose my admin stuff I was doing.

Hi Fujoe,  dealing with bunnies really is a live and learn thing most of the time.   Most of the emergency stuff I really came to know because of my own situations.  Even though I had read stuff, when things actually happen and you use them is when it sticks. 

I didn’t want to give too much information last night because I didn’t know what it was exactly, just that he hadn’t eaten, and since I didn’t know for sure if it was gas or gi stasis or both, it was just better to advise you to get to the vet.    So there is no way you would have really known to offer little tummy’s then. 

If you do have this problem in the future and you use little tummy’s right away, if the problem doesn’t go away in a couple of hours, then you still have to go to vet because rabbits can actually go into shock if they are in severe pain.  So really, you did the best thing and took him to the vet.  

I am so glad he’s doing better!   Some rabbits recover fast, some don’t.  It really depends on how severe it is and/or for how long it has gone on.

Good Goin!!!

My one and only experience with stasis happened while we were bunny sitting for someone.  Their bunny Flopsy started getting loose poops all over the place and he was grinding his teeth really loudly.  He also would not eat.   The vet gave me two gut motility drugs and a pain killer.  He was eating again five minutes after his first dose of the medications.  The pain killers work very fast, and that allows the bun to feel hungry and desire food again.  It really is remarkable how quickly they can turn one way or the other.

Did the doc think that the overload of pellets could have brought this on?

Oh, and three cheers to you for noticing that he was not feeling well and taking him to the vet so quickly!  Stasis is serious business.

OMG sooo scary!  I’m so glad he’s OK.

Walgreens sells a store-brand simethecone drop for babies.  I got some and some critical care as part of my "bunny first-aid kit" before I brought Pepper home.  Luckily I have never had to use either.  I’d probably be so scared I’d drop the syringe!

Yikes! Glad everything turned out ok. Fujoe is very lucky to have an attentive owner like you to catch the problem before its too late!

Question about GI stasis- can this randomly happen to anybun even if it has tons of fresh hay available?

Yes Poopy, I think any bun can get stasis given the right circumstances.  From the reading that I have done, and talking to Auntie Heather who has cared for hundreds if not thousands of rabbits over the years, diet is the single most important cause of stasis, particularly insufficient fiber in the diet.  That said, many other things can cause it too, like a diet that is too rich in calories, insufficient exercise, stress, pain from another medical problem, teeth problems, infections, medications, etc.  Stasis is a symptom, not a disease itself.  There is always a root cause, which sometimes cannot be controlled.  We have seen bunnies go into stasis after surgery (most likely from pain and/or pain meds), even though the vast majority of them do not.  Sometimes bunnies that come to us out of the shelters just go into stasis from the stress of being captured and moved around.

As a bunny guardian, you are asking the right questions though.  Diet, exercise, and general happiness are the best ways to keep you bun’s system going.  Other than that, vigilance is the best medicine.  Fujoe’s guardian knew he was sick because he was acting funny.  Examining the litterbox (fun fun, poopies!) is also important to know that the output looks normal.

I really should set up my own bunny 911 kit……

Osprey I think your 911 kit would be great!

I am on a hedgehog site because we have hedgies. There is a man on there who has like 15 and everytime someone new shows up he asks them to email him so he can give them a "newbie" packet. That way they get all the general info about the animal without posting all this stuff over and over.

Lots of bunny people have an emergency kit, I have just been too lazy to set one up.  I should ask around to see what the indespensible items are.  I know some people even keep the stuff around to do sub Q fluids (kinda like an intravenous drip for a person) but I do not know how to do that procedure.  I really should learn.

Hey Osprey, and everyone that is interested in putting their own 911 kit.  Here are some links to emergency kit lists for bunnies:

http://homepage.mac.com/mattocks/morfz/emergency.html

http://www.mybunny.org/info/emergency_kit.htm

http://www.ontariorabbits.org/health/healthinfo7.htm

and here is one that is already put together and for sale:

http://www.rabbitresource.org/emergency.html

We had also planned on putting together a basic emergency kit to sell, but we haven’t put that on the priority list.  Maybe this is our wakeup call.   :  )

awww poor baby. i am creating a panic bunny pack. it is if i see anything different with my buns i will know what to do. i dont know much about buns so i have to put one together. glad fujoe is jup and at it. hope he fully recovers soon, i know he will. hes a very strong boy. =) you must be so releaved too. =)

Oh, how lowsy!   During the they were separated were they able to interact for a limited time or have they not been together since?

Well, before they were separated they were doing rather well right?  You will need to go through a rebonding period, but since they were getting along, it may not be as miserable as the first time. I just think because they were still newish in their bond, it was fragile and separating them, even though you had to, may have caused some digression.

I’m sorry! I am sending happy bunny bonding vibes your way.