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BINKYBUNNY FORUMS > HOUSE RABBIT Q & A > E. Cuniculi WITHOUT Head Tilt?
Last Post by MeggoWaffle at 3/28/2013 11:52 AM (28 Replies)
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User is Offline Sarita
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3/27/2013 1:20 PM
Just reduce pain.

User is Offline MeggoWaffle
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3/27/2013 2:44 PM

Well since she was happy and always eating and everything before the Metacam, I have no idea whether she was in pain in the first place. I guess it was a bad idea to use metacam and see if an improvement indicated arthritis.


All I have to go on is a clean Xray, a clean blood panel, and a happy, hungry, incontinent rabbit with limited mobility. Things could be worse, I just want to figure out what's wrong with her.


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3/27/2013 3:10 PM
I guess it was a bad idea to use metacam and see if an improvement indicated arthritis.

Not at all. Your vet wouldn't have agreed to it otherwise. My own vet told me sometimes it's the only way with rabbits because they can be difficult to detect symptoms of pain.

Even though her blood panel was clean, should I reconsider the possibility of EC? We never did titer test because it wouldn't tell us much anyway, since she will probably test positive whether or not that's the cause. Should I ask to treat EC without titer confirmation and see if she gets better?

Personally, I would.
I would ask your vet if there is much risk in giving panacur. As it is a wormer and many owners use it prophylactically several times a year, I'm under the impression it is not risky.

With EC symptoms, the treatment might help improve things but not fully cure. There may also be recurrences of symptoms later.

ETA: If you do suspect some loss of sensation in her posterior and/or hind limbs, your vet might be able to test this to confirm.

User is Offline Sarita
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3/28/2013 2:26 AM
Oh no, I would always use metacam if it helps with pain - just because you don't see an improvement does not mean that there is not an improvement in pain. You cannot improve arthritis, just help with pain and that is important. It is helping reduce pain and inflammation and that is good.

Just like EC, it cannot be cured. Like Jersey said even with EC you can only treat symptoms and even treating that is no guarantee that she will be more mobile. I would ask the vet if treating for EC would be recommended, it cannot hurt - no need to take the test again - they aren't fool proof anyway.

Did the vet do an x-ray for the arthritis? They can always detect this.

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3/28/2013 7:55 AM
Posted By Sarita on 03/28/2013 05:26 AM

Did the vet do an x-ray for the arthritis? They can always detect this.


They did an X-ray when she first started dragging herself around (see video in original post) and the radiologist didn't see anything explaining it. But then as soon as we returned from the vet she was hopping completely fine, which made it all the more confusing.

The metacam for arthritis was just a guess. I had thought it might increase her mobility because if she feels less pain (assuming it IS pain she feels) maybe she would hop like she used to instead of this strange sideways shuffle.


If the Xrays always detect arthritis like Sarita said, and the radiologist didn't see anything, then that makes E.C. more likely (despite this symptom disappearing for a couple months after its initial appearance). I think I will ask them what they think of treating with Panacur as jerseygirl suggested.



User is Offline Sarita
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3/28/2013 8:13 AM
I kind of have to agree that it is most likely not arthritis since it came on so suddenly - I think you would have noticed too her losing mobility gradually. My vets have always seen spurs and changes in bones with my arthritic rabbits.

I'm not an expert on EC but I wonder if those symptoms (hind leg weakness) is going to even be helped or cured by the panacur - worth asking the vet about that too.

User is Offline jerseygirl
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3/28/2013 8:41 AM
Also whether physical therapy, acupuncture or acupressure would help.

Also got a bunny massage DVD and maybe that will help =)

Great! Have you tried any on her?

User is Offline Sarita
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3/28/2013 8:44 AM
Also laser therapy might help as well as the other treatments Jersey mentioned.

User is Offline MeggoWaffle
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3/28/2013 11:52 AM

I haven't tried the massage DVD yet, things have been really hectic between finals and trying to medicate Piper (other rabbit) twice a day. Hopefully will get to try it this weekend. An acupuncturist is coming to my vet at the end of April, we will probably try her. And there is a vet school nearby that might have laser therapy. I wish I knew what it was, though.

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