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BINKYBUNNY FORUMS > HOUSE RABBIT Q & A > Seriously considering bonding Fujoe..
Last Post by Lucy at 2/21/2007 5:24 AM (40 Replies)
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User is Offline wendyzski
Chicago, IL
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1/31/2007 4:58 PM
I can't be much help on the landlord issue but some more info:

You can always just go over to the shelter to meet the bunnies that are there but most of the rabbits don't actually LIVE there - they are in foster homes.  I'm pretty sure the fire-buns are in foster care.   Also, you don't just bring in your bun and wander around.  They set up an empty pen for you and you sit there with Fujoe while an experienced volunteer brings the other bunnies to you.  The volunteer stays there in case they REALLY hate each other and start fighting, so that you can quickly get them separated and no one gets hurt.  That's why they need a bit more prep time for a dating session.

As for the kill/no-kill angle, remember that if you get a bun from Red Door they will turn right around and take in another rabbit from a kill shelter.  Pepper was originally picked up by Chicago Animal Care & Control, but it was Red Door that took her in, got her spayed, and then got her adopted out.

User is Offline BB
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1/31/2007 10:13 PM
AH good, honesty!  well that  really  is the best route  - better than my evil lie lie lie route -  then you never have to worry.

 I do know that one of the top excuses people use to give up their animals is because the landlord was going to kick them out.  SO, depending on the shelter, they may feel obligated to deny you a bunny right now.     Plus,   I don't know if they could get into legal issues if they knowingly allowed one of their animals to be adopted out to a place where they knew the landlord was not aware.  

So if they do refuse, don't take it personally.  Even if you have great references. and  you made a wonderful impression, being on the other end of this whole shelter/ rescue part, and seeing so many animals surrendered, (many by people moving or from landlord issues) I know they would be just doing what they feel is in the long term best interest of the animal companion. 

I know how disappointing that would be to you, and I am sorry for that.   I can just imagine how sad I would feel.

Just try not to expect anything either way, and see what happens.

As far as it taking a while to get into the shelter, it depends on if it's a big open to the public type of place, like the humane society or SPCA,  OR if it's a private shelter that only a few people run.   Usually the smaller, private run shelters are understaffed, and it takes time for them to get through everyone.   But if it's the type of shelter that anyone can just walk off the street and check out animals, then I am not used to responses taking more than 24 hours.

User is Offline Lucy
Chicago, IL
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2/03/2007 4:19 AM
So here's the deal...

Red Door called me back- even though I was thruthfull and said NO on the app if I'm able to have pets in the apartment. I got two calls. The first one saying I was ok to adopt- though my vet is aparently NOT a good bunny vet and told me to go to one which is really far away. I like my vet, she really helped me with Fujoe's aggression and other things and I trust her, so I'm not leaving her. Besides, this vet is a few blocks away from my house. So if something is wrong I can walk Fujoe or take a cab there. But the vet the shelter reccomended is like 40 mins to an hour away.. that's very difficult if you don't have a car and you're relying on someone else..

Also I got the whole talk about pellets are bad and they shouldn't be fed at all... I'm not too sure I believe that.

Then the next day I got another call from Toni the bonding person at Red Door and she wanted to know a little about Fujoe and his personality. She warned me that he might go for one of the "larger" ladies at the shelter. She aslo was very shocked that I was so happy with a dwarf and all of his attitude problems. She told me they have a hard time adopting out dwarfs because they growl and ar aggressive. I think it's great. I couldn't imagine having a docile bunny.. anyone who has a dwarf have the same experience? I thought it was just Fujoe's personality, not cause of his breed..

Anyway, I told her if it wasn't a perfect bond, I didn't want to take home the bunny. Or if it was a potential bond, I would come back and re-date him. And if there is no bond- then that's fine too. I don't need to take anyone home. They were also shocked I said that- but happy- cause they now know this is for Fujoe NOT for me.

So there it is.. if it happens, it happens. If it doesn't, it doesn't. That way I know I try and I don't feel bad when I leave Fujoe alone trying to get all of my stuff done (damn that Catholic guilt of mine).

Thanks everyone for their imput. I've been thinking long and hard.. and I hope I make the right decision.

Oh- binky- I'm going to try to do that stunt double thing. I asked if I could bring a stuffed animal of Fujoe's and leave it there for his girlfriend if it's an instant bond or a semi- bond. I wouldn't take anyone home that day, I would wait just a few days. That way she can get used to his sent and hopefully there won't be as many poop wars here. I'm going to try to take some of her fur..I sound sick.. and stick it in a nuetrual stuffed animal and give it to fujoe. we'll see if I can bond them before they get home.

So I go to the shelter next saturday. - it stinks when you are relying on someone for a ride. and we'll see what happens then.

User is Offline LillyBear
Chicago, IL
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2/03/2007 5:59 AM
ooh you are lucky!!! I fell in love with Hayward from Red Door... but I can't take him home. Right now I am living in a condo with my bf that his parents own :o eep. And while they don't live here they said if we get another bunny we will have to leave. And honestly our situation is too nice to just up and leave! When we save up and get our own place in a few years (after I graduate med school) then we will get another bun... I was pretty upset about not being able to get another bun for a while... but I think Ive mostly dealt with it now.. anyway... have fun!!
Lilly - 3.5 y/o french lop mix
Harry - 2.5 month old mini lop
Henry (RIP)- 3 y/o holland lop

User is Offline wendyzski
Chicago, IL
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2/03/2007 9:51 AM
Yay for Fujoe!  Yay for you!

They have a LOT of lady-bunz over there now I noticed.  Fujoe is so fiesty that it is very likely it would take a larger and more laid-back bun to cope with him.  I wish you both the best of luck.  I have an extra carrier if you need to borrow it if/when you bring somebun home, and I live about 10 blocks from Red Door, though I will be out of town next weekend.

Lily, I've not met Hayward, but Elliott is the sweetest little bunny-boy you have ever met.  I petted him thru the top of his cage and he just melted!

User is Offline Lucy
Chicago, IL
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2/11/2007 4:41 PM
well everyone I ended up going to Red Door yesterday.. but came home with no bunny.... BUT I learned some very important things about Fujoe that I wasn't aware of.

First of all-- Wendy, Elliott isn't there anymore, they've adopted him out amanda- we tried to bond hayward to Fujoe... long story and I'll get to that...
so. I went to Red Door and we started to bunny date. The first bunny we put in was the bunny I fell in love with. Her name is Dana and here she is:

http://search.petfinder.com/petnote...id=6646321

She is sooo cute and so tiny! She's smaller than Fujoe and she has a bigger attitude! I fell in love with her little grunts and growls. As soon as I started petting her she melted. There was also some tooth purring! But with Fujoe it was a different story. He went straight for her and tryed to mount her- again and again. She's really quick and was able to run away, but he was CRAZY!! I had never seen Fujoe mount ANYTHING!! I don't know what got into him. He was insane! He finally calmed down a little and there was some ignoring and off to the next bunny...

We got another bunny a silver fox mix.. but as we were swaping bunnies I had brought one of Fujoe's stuffed animals and asked if I could put it in Dana's cage. It was okay, and once Dana was alone with Fujo's stunt bunny she started growling at it and then preceeded to mount it. It was really great. She was soo aggresive to this stuffed bunny, and we thought she had enough, we tried to take and it away and then she started protect it and wouldn't let it go!

Anyway, we ended up trying two other females (larger than Fujoe) and he was humping like crazy. Mounting from the back and on the head. The girls were getting angry and were fighting back. There was fur everywhere... I had no idea how he had all of this in him! My bf suggested we just try two males... just for bonding sake's since Fujoe hasn't really been around other bunnies.

He mounted both bunnies...a lot. Hayward was one of the bunnies. What a sweetheart. He just took Fujoe's humping. The boys took it better than the girls. We put in this huge lop... like 10 pounds or so in with Fujoe (who is 4 lbs) and he was just munching on hay as Fujoe was humping away.

I was soooo shocked. at the end we put Dana back in and there was a lot of ignoring, but in the end I decided to go back this Sat and re-date them. I'm 99% sure that she's coming home with me this weekend. She's really perfect, and she's the best date Fujoe had. But this is why also.. We ended up talking with Sue (the woman who took Fujoe when we went out of town for the holidays) about Fujoe and Squid the cat. She told us that he would try to mount her quite frequently. Not only that, but they would divert Fujoe's attention off of chewing wires by throwing his stuffed rabbit toy into the middle of the room. Fujoe would run to it and start to mount it. I'm still shocked because I have NEVER seen him mount anything at my apartment before. So I have a theory... that when NOT in his territory he becomes overly territorial and will go after anything. I'm thinking that's why he was mounting everysingle bunny we put into the cage with him.. and his stuffed rabbit toy. I have a feeling if I take a bunny home and try to bond here that it would be a TOTALLY different experience.

I hav ean idea, and I don't know if this sounds okay or not.. but has anyone ever tried to bond in a non nuetral place? If I take home Dana and have her run around the living room while Fujoe is in his cage and then set up the x-pen in the middle of the floor... if he would be accepting and not mount so qucikly since everything smells like him? It's just an idea. I also think if they are side by side for a few days that they'll get used to each other's scent.

Anyway.. that was long but the update. I can't stop thinking about little Dana...

User is Offline osprey
Los Altos, California
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2/11/2007 4:55 PM
Wow, it sounds like you had quite a day on Saturday!  Some boys are hump-monsters, particularly if they were raised as only buns.  It will pass as he gets used to not being the only bunny in the universe.

In terms of bonding in his space, that is usually the second step to the bonding process that we recommend at The Haven (bond in neutral space, then housing in the existing buns space near each other but seperated, then play in the existing buns' space, then finally house together.)  It might work, but please be ready with your trusty towel or gardening gloves to break them up if they start biting.

User is Offline Lucy
Chicago, IL
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2/11/2007 5:14 PM
ya... I just got the same advice from Toni- the bonding woman from Red Door.. she sent me to this site which had some really good info:

http://www.rabbitnetwork.org/articl...bond.shtml

I hope he snaps out of it quickly... he was so tired at the end of the day.. he was barely hanging on and moving- my little boy had some will!


oh, by the way... i left Fujoe's stuffed rabbit friend with Dana at the shelter. I'm hoping she'll get used to his scent so he's not overwhelmed by him when she gets here.

User is Offline BB
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2/11/2007 10:01 PM

You might even consider getting a second stunt double so that he can get used to her too.   Or by this time her scent might be strong enough on it that you could see how he reacts with it at home.   Plus this will both allow them to hump to their hearts content without the other getting all bent about it. : )

I still recommend starting in the most neutral territory you have at your own home.  In his own territory, he may be even worse, since he would be reinforcing that not only is he boss of any place, this is actually HIS place.  So  you'll need to really be careful.

OOPs.  I had to edit this!!  I misunderstood something about Dana. For some reason I thought she was humping him.   EESH it's, late.   Anyway.  Ignoring on the second try is a good sign.

. I  have learned a long time ago with bonding that though there are ways to help guide success, there is never really any one and only method that works for everyone everytime.   Most of the time successful bonding is combining what you've researched with your own twist.  

It sounds like you are being smart about it and not forcing the little cute gal to make it work, as I know it must have been hard for you to leave her cute self behind - for now.  

I know with my first bunny's bonding experience,he did not fall in love with MY favorite  I was bummed,  and the bunny that actually worked was not even my second or third choice, but they really liked each other, and I fell in love with his choice soon after I brought her home.

I can't tell you what a nightmare it is when they don't bond.  It is really stressful, and I'd hate to see you back dealing with that kind of stressful situation now that Fujoe had finally gotten his act together.

Check out my links page too - there is a section of great articles about bonding that may be further help to you.  http://www.binkybunny.com/LINKS/tab...aspx  (the rabbitnetwork one is included)

I soo hope your favorite works out!! She sounds adorable, but I just advise you to continue to be open.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you and sending out happy easy bonding vibes your way! The fact that they started ignoring each other was a very positive sign!   Ignoring usually means they don't consider the other a threat.

OH, and also, if you do bring her home and put their cages near each other, just be sure to keep them about an inch away so they can't bite each other's nose and face.   It' has also been recommended to switch litterboxes. 

Since she seems to be a feisty gal too, you may have some poop wars to deal with, but once they become bonded, that usually stops. 


User is Offline Lucy
Chicago, IL
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2/13/2007 9:31 AM
Thanks Binky- I'm sure there will be poop wars, but I think I can deal with that. i couldn't believe how big larger bunnies poops are! They kind of creeped me out! LoL! at least it'll be tiny little poops.

We got another set of organizer cube things so we're going to build her own fortess of solitude and but them by eachother. I'll make sure to leave some space so they can't bite eachother. She's so tiny though that we might need to put some extra levels or something. I can't imagine her jumping that high.. I mean, sometimes if Fujoe isn't paying attention he'll get clotheslined by the level he's trying to jump to. It's really sad, but really funny.

A lot of their rabbits are in foster homes... it's odd, so there is one more girl we can try to bond him with- her name is Bambi and she's a rex. She just got fixed some time last week. The bonding person said she didn't know how well that would go because she keeps to herself and is really gentle- Fujoe might hurt her. But if she's feeling ok, then we'll try to bond her too. But it seemed that Dana was the only one who wouldn't let Fujoe act up. There was a lot of ignoring at the end and a lot of flopping.

The volenteers also said they had never seen Dana act so well before. I guess she's really a crazy little one and calmed down a lot. I don't know if it was cause of me or cause of Fujoe.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed, but not too tightly. I know this sounds weird... but it's kind of nice to focus on something else besides my BFA show piece. It's like giving me a breather and something to look foward to... also, we might be spending once extra year in Chicago.. once again, who knows, so we don't have to worry about moving so quickly.

User is Offline Gravehearted
Campbell, CA
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2/13/2007 11:29 AM
wow - what a Saturday! It sounds like your little boy is hellbent on being in charge.

It will be interesting to see if Fujoe's less territorial home. Hareiette is the opposite, she's pretty mellow when bonding out of the house, but turns into a grunting she-bunny beast at home!

The volunteer mentioned that Dana acting differently around you and Fujoe, it doesn't surprise me I really think that pets pick US, and my guess is she already knows that you and Fujoe are going to be her family. I've seen some bunnies personalities change dynamically when the right family / bunny comes in to the adoption show! Also, in regards to what binky said - it's true, we pick the first rabbit and they pick all the rest!

Let us know how date two goes this weekend :-)
~ bunny mom to to HRH Hareiette, Viktor the crazy Krum and Pandora, prima binky ballerina ~ Save a life, Adopt!

User is Offline nitetygress
Berkeley
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2/14/2007 6:10 PM
wow! It seems like a fun time =) Very eventful. Hope everything on Saturday works out!
Proud mommy of Cassandra Bella aka "Cassy" the mini rex and her Husbunny Alexander the Netherland Dwarf/Hotot Mix

User is Offline Lucy
Chicago, IL
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2/18/2007 8:48 AM
Hey everyone! so we ended up getting another bunny.. her name is Patina! She's a dwarf of some sort.. not really sure what type. So the bonding session went really well at the shelter, but when we tried to bond them here, Fujoe went crazy with the mounting again. This time Patina is taking it very well. There's little struggle on her part. BUT HE WON"T STOP MOUNTING HER!! He's going crazy, I don't know what to do to crub his behavior. It seems like she wants to be friends, but he only wants to mount, till he gets too tired to do it anymore...

It's not too stressfull as they both have plenty of room to play with. Patina has the living room and Fujoe has the dining room. The are okay when they are next to eachother in the cage... we'll see what happens. I hope this humping thing gets out of fujoe's system

User is Offline Lucy
Chicago, IL
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2/18/2007 8:58 AM
oh ya... the ONLY aggression is the mounting. No biting, lunging, grunting or anything on both parties. There's a bit of thumping. When we don't allow Fujoe to mount he'll thump in frustration... and when Patina has had enough she'll thump. Is this a good sign?

User is Offline poopy
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2/18/2007 11:41 AM
One thing that I found is really positive is when they are both side by side (you can kinda push them or place them there- making sure their heads are close together) pet them both. They usually relax and they can enjoy the petting as equals.
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User is Offline Gravehearted
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2/18/2007 4:23 PM
aww, Patina is such a sweet name! happy new bunny! She's spayed, right?

Mounting is a form of communication and a way of establishing dominance, not a sign of sexual activity. It will likely stop or lessen over time as the rabbits' relationship solidifies. Hopefully within a week, there will be much less humping!! Figuring out who is boss isn't always easy!

If that's the only sign of aggression is humping that's a good sign! But don't be surprised if she suddenly decides to hump him, sometimes that happens during this negotiation period. It's not surprising Fujoe's been on a hump fest at home, since that's his territory, so he has bigger stakes on proving he's the boss. If she starts to become really stressed over the humping, you might want to pet her and whisper nice things while he's humping - but also limit Fujoe's humping to about 15 seconds before lifting him off her.

One important thing is making sure he doesn't hump her face, since she could potential bite his boy bunny parts, which would be very bad. If he humps her face, pick him up and turn him the other direction right away.

keep us updated!
~ bunny mom to to HRH Hareiette, Viktor the crazy Krum and Pandora, prima binky ballerina ~ Save a life, Adopt!

User is Offline wendyzski
Chicago, IL
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2/18/2007 6:08 PM
Awwwwww!

Maybe once Patina gets more comfy in her new home she will put Fujoe in his place.  Girl-bunz can be very bossy.  I hope they work things out - it sounds pretty positive.  I can imagine the games of chase-the-ping-pong-ball they will get into....

User is Offline Lucy
Chicago, IL
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2/19/2007 4:03 PM
gravehearted- she is spayed since I got her at a shelter.. So, the mounting isn't sexual at all? He does become errect (if that is the correct bunny term- the little pink/red thing comes out) and I'm pretty sure he ejaculated last night to some degree.. he had what looked like an orgasm and when I picked him up he had a little drop of liquid where his penis is.. I feel a little perverted, sorry about this. I don't know if I should call the vet and ask if this is normal... if rabbits are cabable of doing this or not. or if anyone knows of this being normal, that would be great.

she hasn't tried to mount him- she did hump his stunt double the first time I put it in with her at the shelter, but that was it. Now she grooms it.. as does he with her stunt double..

if anyone is curious about my bonding I'm going to try to keep everything on this forum under behaviors:
http://www.binkybunny.com/FORUM/tab...fault.aspx


User is Offline Gravehearted
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2/20/2007 10:07 AM
well I've always heard humping generally isn't sexual during bonding... but I certainly have seen neutered males perk up signifigantly around unspayed females. I wonder how long ago she was spayed at the shelter, maybe she still has some horomones running around that are making Fujoe crazy? It sounds like in his case it may be partly sexual though.
Some neutered bunnies do enjoy humping, Viktor likes to hump Dori sometimes. I know neutered boys can still become erect, it's just there's no viable sperm. Wish I had better advice to give you...
~ bunny mom to to HRH Hareiette, Viktor the crazy Krum and Pandora, prima binky ballerina ~ Save a life, Adopt!

User is Offline BB
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2/20/2007 11:22 PM
That reminds me, Jack does his little love buzz and honk and want so to mate with Rucy, and they've been neutered/spayed for years.  She'll give in every once in awhile.
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