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BINKYBUNNY FORUMS > HOUSE RABBIT Q & A > Seriously considering bonding Fujoe..
Last Post by Lucy at 2/21/2007 4:24 AM (40 Replies)
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User is Offline Lucy
Chicago, IL
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1/25/2007 1:17 PM
Hello everyone!
I'm seriously considering bonding Fujoe, but I'm not too sure. I want to do it eventually, but I don't know if now is a good time..

Pros:
1. He spends about 1 hour (that I see) grooming his stuffed bunny friend that lives in his cage. I recently put in a stuffed cookie monster in there and he started grooming that too.. so it seems like he likes company.

2. We are gone during the day- so it would be nice for him to have a buddy


Cons:
1. This is my (and my bf's) last semester of school- and we are preparing for a large thesis art show in april.. so really busy, we don't know if we could spend time properly bonding two bunnies

2. Since we are so stressed, what if we have all of the same disctruction issues.. or more with the new bunny?

3. We MIGHT end up leaving to move to LA in may or sept... lease on the apartment till sept, we don't know if we'll sublet or if we'll end up staying in chicago.. Would it be really stressfull to transport TWO rabbits instead of one??


I just need some comments... remember, Fujoe is really aggresive... so ya... I know I want to give him a friend, I just don't know if it's better to wait till school is over and I know where my life is leading me- LA or Chicago..

thanks everyone

User is Offline osprey
Los Altos, California
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1/25/2007 4:00 PM
It is really great that you love your bun enough to consider getting him a friend.  In many ways a bonded pair is easier to take care of than a single bun, particularly if you are out of the house alot.  I cannot comment on the destructiveness issue; we're lucky our guys are all fairly good about not destrying our stuff.  One thing to consider though if you are going to move.  If you plan on moving by plane, most airlines only allow one animal in the cabin per trip.  So this would mean multiple trips, different trips, or putting the buns in cargo.  I will also say that while bonding is not a lot of work, it does take time and persistence, and someone needs to work with the buns and watch them to make sure nothing bad is happening.  If you are going to be busy with school or work, I would suggest waiting until you have more time.

User is Offline poopy
Orange County, CA
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1/25/2007 4:21 PM
If you are taking the buns by car it would be more comfortable to have 2 because they will have each other for comfort. Also, it wouldn't hurt introducing Fujoe to some buns to see how it goes. If she finds one you think might be a love at first sight, then you wouldn't have to worry about having time to watch them and stuff. With Medusa and Hecuba (who have been together for a week). After the first day I didn't have to worry about watching them at all. I can tell they are both a lot happier, and Medusa looks less bored. She used to groom her stuffed animal too and that's when I knew it was the right time to get her a husbun. I took her on a few dates with some other male rabbits beforehand and didn't think they would be a good match. It was worthwhile though because I was able to get an idea of what her social personality is like (not dominant).
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User is Offline dmh426
Syracuse, New York
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1/25/2007 5:29 PM
SERIOUSLY Lucy, we need to talk. You and I are thinking pretty much the exact same thing. You are thinking of bonding Fujoe, and I am thinking of bonding Sophie. i am moving in September to a different time zone (by car) and am having a hard time deciding if now is the right time, how do I know when I find the right third for us, and all that jazz..... it's so hard. it's like deciding whether to have a second child!!!! (which is funny since I am single, 26 and my "child" has white fur with spots!)

User is Offline Lucy
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1/26/2007 2:37 AM
Well... IF we end up moving to LA... which I think will happen, but who knows. We would rent a U-Haul and drive all the way over. So as of right now, Fujoe would be traveling with us. I might consider having someone fly him over, or possibly using that van type boarding thing to transport him. But I think what would be best is for him to stay with us. But I'll think about that once it gets closer.

Danielle- thinking about this stuff stinks! I want to do what's best... I know he would want someone.. but can he wait 6 more months??

User is Offline Elena Niznik
Glasgow (Scotland)
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1/26/2007 6:57 AM
Hey, i bonded my female rabbit Boo almost 6 months ago and it was honestly the best thing I could have done for her. I thought she was a happy enough bunny until i got Rolo. The two bonded almost immediately but they have had their ups and downs.

Rabbits are socail animals and It sounds as if fujoe does like company. But i think you will know yourself if its a convenient for yourself. He is very handsome haha i think he would like a pretty lady to play with.

You may be lucky and bond them straight away or it could take some work. Try bunny dating thats what I did and it worked out well.

I hope it works out whatever you do.

User is Offline poopy
Orange County, CA
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1/26/2007 9:02 AM
Posted By tallullu on 01/26/2007 9:57 AM
Hey, i bonded my female rabbit Boo almost 6 months ago and it was honestly the best thing I could have done for her. I thought she was a happy enough bunny until i got Rolo. The two bonded almost immediately but they have had their ups and downs.

Rabbits are socail animals and It sounds as if fujoe does like company. But i think you will know yourself if its a convenient for yourself. He is very handsome haha i think he would like a pretty lady to play with.

You may be lucky and bond them straight away or it could take some work. Try bunny dating thats what I did and it worked out well.

I hope it works out whatever you do.

what do you mean they have had their ups & downs?

i say get fujoe a companion now. chances are, you really wouldn't regret it unless it was a horrible match (fighting). though i'm sure you wouldn't choose a bunny who would be a horrible match.
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User is Offline Lucy
Chicago, IL
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1/26/2007 9:17 AM
Posted By poopy on 01/26/2007 12:02 PM
Posted By tallullu on 01/26/2007 9:57 AM
Hey, i bonded my female rabbit Boo almost 6 months ago and it was honestly the best thing I could have done for her. I thought she was a happy enough bunny until i got Rolo. The two bonded almost immediately but they have had their ups and downs.

Rabbits are socail animals and It sounds as if fujoe does like company. But i think you will know yourself if its a convenient for yourself. He is very handsome haha i think he would like a pretty lady to play with.

You may be lucky and bond them straight away or it could take some work. Try bunny dating thats what I did and it worked out well.

I hope it works out whatever you do.

what do you mean they have had their ups & downs?

i say get fujoe a companion now. chances are, you really wouldn't regret it unless it was a horrible match (fighting). though i'm sure you wouldn't choose a bunny who would be a horrible match.




I'm not asking for advice about IF  I should get Fujoe a companion... I know I want to.. But I'm asking if I should get one right now... As you can read from my first post, I have a lot of things coming up in the next few months... things I have been preparing for in the past four years.

I need people to let me know how much stress was it for them when they started to bond two rabbits- two rabbits whom got along in the beginning..

Osprey- thank you for the honest advice. How often do you hear of bonding going smoothly with the rabbits you adopt out?

Tallullu- I'm gald you told me that it was the best thing you could have done- yet, they have their ups and down. Could you explain those to me? Did they bond and you were able to put them together in the same cage right away? Were there fights that you had to break up?

Danielle- still with you, do we wait till after we move? (I might be going TWO time zones away)

Poopy- It's the stress that will be put upon me and potentially my artwork that I am worried about. I can't just get a rabbit and hope they get along, and if they do.. I don't want to have to worry about Fujoe's friend bitting me everytime I bend down... I don't want this to be an impulse purchase


User is Offline Theresa Moan
Nashua, NH
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1/26/2007 9:21 AM
DMH, Where are you moving to?

User is Offline dmh426
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1/26/2007 10:34 AM

I'll be moving in the fall to Nashville if all goes well. I can transfer through work (which is a Fortune 100 company) and I have a small apartment here so it will most likely be a ryder truck and towing the car behind. Sophie can sit in the front on my lap with me for at least part of the ride. BUT, if there is another baby, who do I hold? I know they will probably have each other to keep company on the ride to Nashville but part of me thinks I should wait until I'm settled in down there to adopt another bunny. I've taken Sophie to meet other bunnies that need adopting and she wasn't interested. I am now reading that "disintrest" is good but I don't really want to rock the boat by changing so much in her routine.  I work a second job and another bunny would be nice to keep her company, but what if she is the 1 in 1000 that likes being alone? You have to remember she was seperated from her litter young and really only knows me as "the mom".  (sigh) I am exhausted just writing all that.  

I'M DRIVING MYSELF CRAZY! I keep saying it will happen when it happens, but.....

She is always binkying and zooming and is a really happy bunny. I don't want to see that change. She is my number one concern here. I want to improve her quality of life, not deter from it.  So the  "ups and downs" of bunny bonding scares me!


User is Offline osprey
Los Altos, California
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1/26/2007 11:04 AM
Posted By fujoethebunny on 01/26/2007 12:17 PM


Osprey- thank you for the honest advice. How often do you hear of bonding going smoothly with the rabbits you adopt out?


I do not mean to discourage you, Fujoe, I just want to let you know what you are facing.  At least for me, bonding my guys was stressful, it feels like it takes forever, and if you have other important things going on in your life at that time, it just compounds YOUR stress, which stresses the animals.

Our record of bonding is pretty good, but there are always failures.  When that happens the new bun generally comes back to us, and then we try again with a different bun.  If you find someone who is familiar with bonding to work with, they can usually tell pretty quickly if it will work or not.  I am just now learning some of the more subtle things to look for, we have people who have been doing this for years whose experience is very helpful.

Do you have any shelters and/or rescues near you where you could take Fujoe and have the initial introductions observed by someone who really knows bonding?  Maybe just taking Fujoe on some dates might give you some feel for the process and let you know if you have the time to do it now.

One thing in your favor is that taking a girl into an existing boy's home is the second easiest bond to make (the easiest is two bunnies that are strangers to their house and to each other).  If you decide to go ahead with it, BinkyBunny has some excellent bonding tips, and the board is always here to offer advice.  Good Luck!  Let us know what you decide.




User is Offline skunklionshow
City of Brotherly "Shove"
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1/26/2007 11:25 AM

As you know, our therapy program currently has 3-4 bunnies.  Our 2 females where thick as thieves, until Jessica unexpectedly gave birth.  Actually even after that (they were in the same cage when it happened), they were ok.  However, less than 4 days later Cookie visciously attacked Jessica.

After nearly $400, several weeks of cage rest, and major damage....the vet says that its highly unlikely they will ever be cagemates again.  So, after buying the girls a huge 5 level cage extravaganza....my hubby and I are taking Jess on as our house bunny and our program is down to 3 bunnies.

Here's my advice...wait until after you move.  I moved my 3 cats from Chgo to Philly several years ago.  It was a pain in the heiny, but worth it.  Animals need more breaks than people and we had a tire blow out at one point.  So it was a drama!  Not to mention we had to acclimate the kitties to their new home.

Also, during the Jessica and Cookie saga I have been working on my dissertation.  That's stress enough, but dealing w/ an injured bunny has made it even more stressful.

Let things settle!  I remember how stressful my undergrad music project and my roommate's art show, so keep yourself afloat first.

Best of Luck from a former Chgo Gal (Columbia College grad and resided in BeverlyMorgan Pk, Rogers Pk., and Ravenswood). 

"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." Ghandi


User is Offline BB
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1/29/2007 11:12 PM

I also think you should wait until you move and until life is maybe not so stressful.  (If that ever happens).

I think that when we are stressed, that can really hinder the bonding process too.   

Regarding traveling, it can actually be easier for the bunnies to have their companion with them.  But obviously that wouldn't be reason enough to bond right now.

You are very smart to really consider how bringing in another rabbit right now will affect things.  Sometimes bonding can go smoothly, but there is no way for you to know if it will be for sure, and it sounds like right now, if the bonding process needs alot of time and patience, then it would be much too stressful. 

You're a great bunny mommy.

FYI:  Rucy is a more aggressive type of bunny, and she loves Jack, and is very affectionate with him.   He actually helped her become more friendly with humans.


User is Offline Lucy
Chicago, IL
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1/30/2007 11:21 AM
Thank you for all of the advice. This is what we have decided...

We are going to bunny date Fujoe. See how he does with other rabbits, and we aren't going to force anything. If there is a bunny that he totally falls in love with, then we will adopt her. If it's like ok feelings, then no.

There is deffinatly a shift in his attitude.. I think he bonded, or got used to the cat that was at the house we took him to when we went out of town for the holidays. He stays in his cage a lot more, and doesn't run up to greet me when I get home. I don't want to worry about another rabbit, but I don't want to worry about his well being either.

we'll see what happens.. if I am even eligable for adoption.. the form is sooooooo long.. i need 3 references, our landlord's info, BOTH of our employeers... is it like this everywhere??

User is Offline wendyzski
Chicago, IL
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1/30/2007 11:48 AM
Where are you dating him?  I did the online app at Red Door and I don;t remember it being all that awful - mostly they want to make sure that you 1) have a lease that allows pets 2) can afford to feed and care for the pet and 3) aren't gonna just foist it off on a kid.

User is Offline Lucy
Chicago, IL
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1/30/2007 2:55 PM
I'm doing it at Red Door... I'm a little freaked out, cause with our lease, we're not supposed to have a pet... we were supposed to put in a deposit while signing the lease, so you are able to have pets here. The woman who we signed our lease in front of said it's cause of how loud dogs are, and if we were to get a pet cat or something, it would be fine. The maintainence guy knows we have a rabbit and has asked how old Fujoe is and everything. But he hasn't said anything to anyone, and I doubt he will.. I have a property manager, not a landlord. but I don't want red door to be calling my property manager. They aren't too fond of us anymore cause we had to call the city on them (the ceiling of our bathroom collapsed, and they didn't do anything about it). So I don't want them to find a reason to kick us out- even if I end up paying the deposit late. It's one of those crazy situations.

Wendy- do they call the landlord and check? I mean, if they do.. then there will be no bunny dating at all. It would be good reason not to attempt to get another rabbit till we move. That alone would be too much stress. We're both students.. would they give us a rabbit? I mean, we both have part time jobs...

They told me I had to wait till they called me before I could go in too.. oh well.. I'll figure it out. But I'll wait to send them the app till I know the whole landlord situation.

User is Offline BB
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1/30/2007 10:31 PM

OYE!  I didn't see your latest post, and responded to the earlier one with questions about your landlord.  Those have been answered here!  SO I deleted my post (just in case you read it), and here' s a new response.

Well the landlord  permission is normal, but I have never heard of the three references and employers for both.  EGADS.   At least I don't remember filling all that out when I adopted my bunnies from HRS and Animal Care & Control. 

I know that many places actually do call and check, so you definitely don't want to take the chance.

EEK, what a sticky situation.   Can you tell the property management that you are going to get two bunnies, one of which you are going to get a red door shelter?  I know you said you don't have a good relationship with the management, but would they refuse your pet deposit?     I guess, even if they were fine with you having two rabbits, you 'd have to be careful that RDS didn't spill the beans that you already had one.   Maybe you say Fujoe was staying at families,  until you could afford to take him in,  and now you can. ..... lie, lie, lie and lie some more.   I don't encourage everyone to be deceptive, but I know that after what you've been through, there is no way, you are the type of person to give your bunny up!

I did create a pet agreement (for rabbits!). It includes a brief education about what having a house rabbit means.  I do plan on posting it somewhere on BinkyBunny at some point, just haven't had the time.   But it has really helped landlords warm up to the idea.  That way, i don't have to hide my bunnies or worry about something breaking that the landlord has to fix, etc.


User is Offline Lucy
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1/31/2007 5:03 AM
well... after the whole calling the city thing on our property manager, I would feel like they would do anything to get us out.. I ended up filling out the app for red door and where it said are you allowed to have pets, I put no. but then explained the situation that we were in.. that there is a pet deposit for our building and if we were bringing in something small and quiet that no one could hear then it would be ok. If red door refuses me on that (I was honest), then that's fine. It means we don't have to worry about the whole bonding issue at all.

Binky- I put you down as one of my references so, I hope that's okay with you... you out of all people know that I would NEVER give Fujoe away, if I was that type of person it would have happened over summer.

It would be a shame if they didn't think I was a good canidate though. It would make me sad... the other thing is last night I was looking at the available rabbits in LA and there are sooooo many more, and soo many more at kill shelters (Red door is a no kill shelter) and it would be good to get a bunny at a kill shelter..

The only reason I would be upset at red door is that I fell in love with a bunny, and I would want to know if Fujoe would love her too... here she is:
http://search.petfinder.com/petnote...id=6646334

I really want to give her a home.. that would be the only reason I would be upset if they won't let me bunny date...

BUT... for those who volunteer at shelters...is it unusual for it to take a while to get somebody INTO the shelter? I can't even go in to visit the bunnies.. I have to wait till they call me back and they wouldn't make an appt. over the phone. Even if I can't adopt, I would like it if Fujoe had some exposure with other rabbits. But is that out of the question??


In the end... we figured out we just need to give Fujoe a lot more attention- just pet him for at least 2 hours a day.. which if we divide isn't that bad. Also we have a new rule in the house.. no more laptop in the dining room.. we have to be either on the couch or floor of the llving room so Fujoe can interact with us. I think we'll be ok for now if we don't get a friend for fujoe

User is Offline osprey
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1/31/2007 6:31 AM
The shelters that we work with (all kill shelters, BTW) just have posted adoption hours where you come in and someone lets you see the animals that they have. Two of the shelters have advocate volunteers who know a lot about bunnies and can help with bonding and such. The other shelters have volunteers and staff that don't know much about rabbits, so you'd be on your own bonding there.

It seems to me that Red Door is run more like a rescue, and is very selective about the adopters and which animals they can show you. Rescues often have sepecific days that adoption appointments can be made, because the bunnies actually live at foster sites.

User is Offline poopy
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1/31/2007 7:48 AM
This is what I have been suggesting from the beginning.....from all the time spent on this thread, Fujoe could've had several dates already!
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