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BINKYBUNNY FORUMS > BONDING > Looking for an older male bunny
Last Post by MarkBun at 12/14/2007 5:48 AM (29 Replies)
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User is Offline Thumpers_Mom
New York
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12/09/2007 1:52 PM
I'm sooo happy Tona is with you. Don't get discouraged. I know the feeling all to well with my bonding adventures of thumper and peaches (which is still in progress).

I find things go smooth when I put out food for them so they have a HUGE salad...and a papaya tablet. At first, I would situate the food about 4-5 ft from each other, now, they are eating out of the same plate at times. I also make sure that I am right there with them and do a lot of patting and ear rubbing. There have been a couple of bad scuffles but i won't give up. It'll just take time. You saw that they have it in them to be the best of friends...it will be worth it in the end.

(((((hugs)))))))

*Jackie

User is Offline MooBunnay
Dallas, Texas (Allen)
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12/09/2007 5:23 PM
It sounds like things started out great so they must be a very compatible pair! I find that in the beginning there are always a couple scuffles esp. due to the "territorialness" of the existing bunny. Have you considered using the bathtub to bond them in? You can put a towel down so they get some traction - thats likely to be a place where neither bunny feels like it is their territory

Also - a few people have recommended to me putting both bunnies in a carrier or crate on top of the dryer so that the rocking motion makes them snuggle together. Obviously you'll need a fan or something so it doesn't get too warm, and also don't leave them unattended lest they rock right off the machine - but I've heard a couple different people have had success with this.

User is Offline MarkBun
Richmond, CA
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12/09/2007 8:00 PM
There are a lot of what I call 'scare tactics' that I could try - vacuum cleaner, car rides - heck one guy suspended his carrier by bungee cords so that if they'd fight or run around it would begin to shake and bounce so they'd have to remain still. I'd rather try to not use them. I don't have a bath tub, only a very small shower stall.

My current plan is to put her into the same room with Dono (still not sure of the name yet - we'll see what sticks) so that she has to see him all the time but can't get to him. I"m also going to put her into his pen while he's out romping around the living room exercising so that she can get used to his scent. A third tactic is to put down a blue tarp on the ground. It will help to hide the scent, be a different tactile feeling and give Maryann something else to focus on besides the intruder. I"m also going to do the giant salad move too as they both LOVE the greens.

It's just going to take time. I'm not discouraged, I just hate to see anybun gettin' hurt - even if it is just fur...

My bonding quest with Maryann - Read about a less than easy bonding with two buns - but they did bond!

User is Offline Beka27
Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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12/10/2007 8:05 AM

wow.  i hope things get better for those two.  it sounds like Tona/Donahue is pretty anxious to have a friend.  a safe scare tactic may be your best bet really.  others have done it and claimed to have success... it's worth a try.  and chances are good you would've gone thru this with anybun you brought home for her, so don't feel too bad.

Meadow..... Photobucket ...... Max, my angel bunny

User is Offline babybunsmum
Waterloo ON Canada
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12/10/2007 9:14 AM

markusdark... just saw this thread today... what a story!  glad you're not discouraged by maryann's territorialness (is that a word?).   dono will certainly appreciate your efforts when he can get back to grooming her.  sounds like the poor guy's been through a lot & its so sweet that you're going through this effort for him.  my bun has ALWAYS reacted to being held against me my digging & biting, even now that she's 7 and bunny grunts & binkys when i'm near her (so i know she doesnt hate me.. lol).  i always have to hold her either with her back to me (one hand on her chest & the slide other under her tush & then to brace her thumpers)  or in bunny trance position.   maybe dono will not stay this way once he adjusts, but just thought i'd mention it

I like work. It fascinates me. I sit and look at it for hours.

User is Offline MarkBun
Richmond, CA
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12/10/2007 12:02 PM

Just a quick update. Dono will be seeing Dr. Harvey on Thursday and both of them are eating and pooping normally again. I currently have Maryann's and Dono's cages near each other but with about 2 inches in between them. They can hop up, look at each other but not get close enough to trigger unwanted reactions. I am a little bit at a loss though because the HRS says that they shouldn't be caged near each other while SaveABunny says that they should be close enough to groom through the bars.

Just one day at a time. Today, I'm not going to try any bonding but I am going to stick a big pile of leafy green in between the cages so they can be snacking while looking at each other - hopefully associating nummies with the other bunny.

Hmm, someone at work just asked if I could bring the buns in for them to see and I just realized - my office is neutral territory! (Maryann has been here twice but I don't think she's that clingy to it). hmmm....

My bonding quest with Maryann - Read about a less than easy bonding with two buns - but they did bond!

User is Offline Scarlet_Rose
Colorado
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12/10/2007 4:13 PM

Hmm, the HRS says they should not be caged near each other? Where is this at? They should actually be caged next to each other, just be sure to keep them far enough to where they can't nip noses.


User is Offline MarkBun
Richmond, CA
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12/11/2007 5:34 AM
Well there are two minds to this. Caging next to each other has the belief that they will become accustomed to each other through seeing one another the entire time. Those that think they shouldn't see each other believe that the first bun will constantly see this invader and since she cannot chase him out of her territory, will begin to develop a greater animosity towards them.

If it wasn't for the insistance of Dono's foster mom, I would have left them in seperate rooms. But I can tell Dono really likes having her around, even if it is just to look at.
My bonding quest with Maryann - Read about a less than easy bonding with two buns - but they did bond!

User is Offline BB
San Francisco Area
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12/13/2007 9:03 PM

I think caging near each other is good, but I'm the one who also says to be a bit cautious. Scarlet is right about making sure the pens are far apart enough that they don't nip.  I am always worried that they can hurt each other. I know Rucy got her eye bit, and her bottom lip ripped off by Bailey through the xpen. It was sewn together, but that scared me enough always advise to be careful about putting them "right" next to each other. I prefer to keep an inch or so separate until I can see that they are not being aggressive with each other - supervising their behavior for awhile first. 

ALSO, I too have caution on my site in the bonding tips section that if you begin to see them getting territorial with each other and aggressive along the borders then to watch how it progresses. If it doesn't die down over time, ( a couple of weeks) and only increases, then you may need to think of a different route. Each pair really has their own little issues that you have to work through. What's great for one pair, may cause aggression in another.   However, they bond bunnies all the time at SaveAbunny so their advise is from tons of experience.

Another tactic is to switch cages everyday. So they get used to the other space, and scent.

Also, ehen they were in the bathroom and they would fight, did they seem to get territorial over a certain space? Like did you have a litterbox there? Sometimes bunnies will get territorial over a box. Also how long is each bonding session right now? Do you end it when they fight or ??

SaveABunny also uses the "strainer" technique that I really like. Use a kitchen strainer to stop a lunge or to separate them before they get into a fight. That way they can still sniff and smell each other though strainer, but they are blocked from full aggression.

Also, be sure you are petting them and keeping them calm. Human interaction to calm can really help, but if you are afraid of getting bit, wear gloves.

And, of course, car rides and those stress methods can really help. I know it's throwing them into a crisis in hopes they'll cling to each other for comfort, and that may seem like a bummer way, but the stress of bonding and not get along is just a ton of mini crisis.

Bonding can really be stressful. On average it takes about three weeks. That means there will be some that are shorter, and some that are longer. It should soon become more apparant what will work for these two. Like switching cages or not, or offering food and affection, litterbox in bonding sessions or not. It can take a few days to figure out what works. And in the meantime, be careful your back doesn't go out from trying to bond them on a small bathroom floor.

Peace to you all! I'm sending easy bonding vibes your way. Keep us updated!

EDITED:  I forgot to say - I know you mentioned that your place is small and so not much is "neutral"  to your bunny.  I know that feeling.  When my husband and I lived in the city, our place was small, and our bunnies owned every inch.  So we CREATED a neutral place.  Check out the bonding section and scroll down to close to the bottom to the BONDING TIPS AND TRICKS and see the first section that says "Don't have a semi permanent Space? Create one:


User is Offline MarkBun
Richmond, CA
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12/14/2007 5:48 AM

BB,

Thanks for the words of encouragement and the tips. Maryann just seems to attack whenever Dono begins to move. There doesn't seem to be an exact territorial thing other than he's just there.  I believe it is just her being bossy as in - "Hey, I didn't say you could move!".  I am not afraid of getting bit mainly because I have never been seriously bit by a bunny in my life (an accidental nip but that has only been once or twice).  I also handle buns differently than most because I feel more secure that way and it doesn't seem to bother the buns.  I know that personal confidence is needed and that it translates to the rabbits.

I have been thinking about the building a neutral area with a large dog kennel/crate that I have at home. I had planned to use it as an outdoor shelter that buns could hop around in (it is about 4'x3'). I had thought about draping sheets over the sides and making pretend it is a new room so I am glad to hear I am on the right path.

I want to do the car rides but unfortunately I don't have any real friends in my area (all of them are down south in San Jose). I just have to take it a day at a time and hope something works. I can only imagine what this would be like if I had adopted one of the other buns that Maryann actually had attacked at the shelters. I am just hoping that I don't mentally/emotionally scar Dono by the end of this. He just wants someone to love.

I think Maryann might just be another Bailey.

My bonding quest with Maryann - Read about a less than easy bonding with two buns - but they did bond!
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