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Forum DIET & CARE Lily’s Spay/ Recovery Diary

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    • Agouti Lover
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        So this is going to be my first instalment of Lily’s Spay/ Recovery Diary.
        I’ve decided to get her spayed at a vet that is about 30 minutes away from me and due to that she unfortunatley has to stay the night before her surgery at the vet
        (The vet only does surgerys at 8:30am and 8:30am is also peak traffic time!) I’m going to drop her off tommorow at 6:30pm and I’ll pick her up the next day at 6:30pm or sooner. She is bonded to a male (James) so I’m anxious to see if they un-bond or not, I feel like they won’t as I’ve taken Lily to vet appointments alone and James never shows any animosity towards her when she returns. But only time can tell. The cost of a the surgery is $150
        (NZD) and I’ve decided to go to a vet that was recommended to me by Simon from http://www.nzhoppergroup.org . I’ll post a photo of the cage she’ll be staying in post-op soon, so keep an eye out for that!


      • LongEaredLions
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          Would your vet allow you to bring both bunnies for the night? It might help calm Lily’s nerves to have her buddy there with her. However, following fixing, bunnies often smell different and unbond from their mates anyway so I am not sure that matters. :/
          If you haven’t already, I would talk to your vet and make sure they aren’t going to fast her or anything when she stays the night. If they are a good bunny vet it is likely that they know that you should never fast a bunny before surgery, but I would always make sure.
          (((((safe spay vibes)))))


        • Agouti Lover
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            Thanks, my vets said that I have to unfortunatley leave her for the night alone as they think that the male will just mess up their usual routine for post-op care. I was actually pretty worried about her getting stasis between the 12 hours that she’s alone (in case she doesn’t eat) but she’s a pretty resilient bun so hopefully she will. Her and James were a love at first sight bond so even if they do unbond they’ll probably bond again pretty quickly.


          • LongEaredLions
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              You can pack all her favorite foods. Hopefully since she will be at the vet they will monitor her eating closely.
              Wishing my best for their re-bonding!


            • Agouti Lover
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                Hi again, I’ve dropped lily off at the vet and it’s currently 7:39pm on the day before her surgery. I’m going to pick her up tomorrow at 6:30pm hopefully she’ll be eating well and regain her appetite quickly. If any of you are wondering what I took to the vet:
                – hay
                -pellets
                -water from home
                -2 tuppaware containers of vege’s (one for today,and one for tomorrow)
                -a litter box+litter
                -a fleece blanket and her carrier
                – I also brought a teddy bear that smells like the other bunny that will hopefully comfort her

                Also thanks for the kind wishes ! <3


              • beebun
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                  (((warm vibes))) update us! I hope everything goes well<3


                • Agouti Lover
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                    Hi again, Lily’s currently in surgery and the vet told me they’d ring me once the surgery was done. I’ve been reading a lot of stories about people’s buns passing away because of a spay or neuter so I’m currently really anxious. I told the vet I got Lily from a pet shop (I know it was bad but the pet shop told me that all the bunnies were from the local shelter, which I later found was untrue) just incase she could’ve gotten any genetic defects from the way she was bred, I also told them Lily’s mate had gotten a bout of snuffles which didn’t really affect her. I’m just really nervous and scared, this vet has a pretty good track record with bunnies though.


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                      Hi again Lily’s out of surgery, they say she’s recovering really well. im honestly so happy, hopefully she’ll have a speedy recovery. The vet told my mum (I’m a teenager) that it takes 4-6 hours for the anaesthesia to wear off (I don’t know if it’s true) I’m just really happy she’s had a successful surgery ??


                    • Odette
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                        I am glad Lily did great with surgery.

                        Is she the bunny in your avatar? She is beautiful. Have a speedy recovery, Lily.


                      • cinnybun2015
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                          That’s awesome that she’s recovering well! Keep us updated about how it goes. With my Chom, the actual surgery only took an hour to two hours or even less (I can’t really remember oops!) and then he had to stay extra time to sleep the anesthesia off. Of course, he’s male so it’ll be different.
                          ((((speedy recovery, Lily!!))))))


                        • Agouti Lover
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                            Thanks for the well wishes guys (the bun in my avatar is my male James). Lily ate at the vets which I’m really happy about, and she’s having a normal recovery. I’ve been reading a lot of stories of bunnies passing away a couple days after surgery which has me very scared to say the least. But I know I’m just being paranoid, I’m actually really concerned about what to do when it comes to litter. Should I use puppy training pads or just a litter box with low walls?


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                              Glad to hear Lily is doing well after surgery.


                            • Agouti Lover
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                                Lily’s obviously pretty groggy, she’s drank and peed but she hasn’t eaten. I’m really scared because she’s gone up and down a ramp atleast 6 times (I can’t removed the ramp) I checked her staples and nothing’s wrong with them


                              • Vienna Blue in France
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                                  Hi AL.
                                  I hope Lily’s pretty much back to normal now. Eating and pooping and peeing as usual.
                                  Going up and down ramp gently should be OK, but try to prevent her jumping up (onto shelves?) and over (neighbour’s wall? lol) or binkying and straining the staples.


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                                    SHE POOPED (it’s the next day) I think she’s still a bit groggy, I’m not 100% sure that she’s eaten. It hasn’t been 24hours since her surgery though. She hasn’t pee’d, but for some reason she keeps sitting on the hay pile I gave her, instead of the fleece. When she did pee this white liquid came out as well is that normal after a spay?
                                    I tried leaving some oatmeal and she wouldn’t even eat it. She’s sort of active which for some reason scared me when she started moving (because many people say that females will just stay in a corner bunched up)
                                    I’m still letting her up and down the ramp, because it’s not aggravating the stitches too much, also because she only goes up and down it at night or in the morning.
                                    It just find it so weird that she’s not licking me or eating food from my hand


                                  • Agouti Lover
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                                      I’ve had to resort to force feeding her


                                    • Gina.Jenny
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                                        Have you got pain meds for her, and is she warm enough? Those can both be a problem for post spay bunny girls, and both can affect their appetite.

                                        Sometimes, force feeding is the only option, if the bun isn’t eating. Is she drinking ok? Wet greens, such as a favourite herb, are good to offer, as they get food and water into the tum. if she doesn’t start eating soon, she needs to get back to the vets.


                                      • Agouti Lover
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                                          I force feed her because the vet told me to, but I rang another vet and they gave me a lot of good information to help her eat.
                                          Butt… LILYS EATEN!!!!! she’s weirdly only eaten hay, I left some kale,parsley, cilantro/Corriander,Apple,kiwi fruit, and oatmeal. But for some reason the first thing she decides to eat is hay. I started to irritate her with the hay like poke her with it so she would bite it (but not eat it) I think after a while she started to enjoy the taste so now she’s eating hay. The vet only gave her metacam for 3 days, do you guys think this is enough? She’s gone back to acting how she was during puberty she’s started flipping over her water bowl again and also trying to nip me, I think it might be because her hormones are everywhere.


                                        • Gina.Jenny
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                                            yay for her eating hay. one of my girls recently had a bout of stasis, I think due to moulting, and she started eating hay before other stuff too?

                                            ‘Misbehaving’ is a good sign she’s feeling better


                                          • Agouti Lover
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                                              She had a really soft poop, and just my luck she sat on it and now poop is on her spay wound . The vet told me to just clean it with water and keep an eye on the wound


                                            • Vienna Blue in France
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                                                Yay for hay !!!!!! Bit by bit. How about fresh grass too?
                                                Yes mine had a hot water bottle wrapped up in a towel for a few days (refilled! Obviously! ) and I kept her under close supervision in a dog cage. She only had a few days of forced metacam because no way she was letting me give her more (!) and she was back to being herself. Not cramped up or “looking” unwell!!!


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                                                  It’s been 2 and 1/2 hours since I have her metacam and for some reason she’s grinding her teeth again, I’ve force feed her once again just because she’s not eating enough hay. I’m probably going to syringe feed her every 2-4 hours just to make her sure that she won’t go into stasis. I left some grass and lemon leaves it her cage so hopefully she’ll eat them


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                                                    Is she warm enough? Jenny really struggled with hypothermia after her spay, even though she was spayed in the middle of summer, and I know others have posted their girls did too. Like Vienna said, having a hot waterbottle wrapped in something soft that she can lie against might help?


                                                  • Agouti Lover
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                                                      Weirdly I’ve given her a heat pack but she just moved away from it


                                                    • Gina.Jenny
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                                                        With jenny, I had to wrap a blanket in the heatpack, then remove the blanket and place it over her, and keep heating blankets, which was time consuming but helped keep her warm


                                                      • Agouti Lover
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                                                          How can you tell if they’re going through hypothermia, she keeps shaking even though I’ve given her a pain killer


                                                        • Agouti Lover
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                                                            How can you tell if they’re going through hypothermia, she keeps shaking even though I’ve given her a pain killer


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                                                              Poor bunny check her ears. Although cold ears don’t mean hypothermia, if her body temp is low, then the top of her ears may well feel cold. or maybe just tuck a warmed blanket over her, as she can always move away from it? How long since you fed her?


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                                                                I last fed her about 50 minutes ago, her ears feel warm not cold. Also her incision has some dried up blood on it ??


                                                              • cinnybun2015
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                                                                  Aww sweetie Are you confining her to a small space like a dog kennel? Add in a light blanket or two, they’ll tolerate a light blanket better than a heavy one. It’s good that her ears feel warm… I don’t know about the dried up blood though. As long as it’s not fresh ( which would mean she’s chewing on her stitches) I think it’s okay. Although someone with a spayed female bun might be able to tell you better.


                                                                • Agouti Lover
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                                                                    I have her in an outdoor hutch indoors it has a ramp which I double checked with the vet was okay. She’s not eating anything now, I think I might have to force feed her again soon


                                                                  • Gina.Jenny
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                                                                      warm ears is good, it sounds like she just need time now… keep an eye on the bleeding, any fresh blood and ring the vet!


                                                                    • cinnybun2015
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                                                                        As Gina said!!

                                                                        Hope she’s all well. Keep us updated.


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                                                                          I just realised something, the area she’s been sitting on is also the area where she spilt some water so maybe her laying on it made her extra cold. I added another blanket over the area and wrapped her up in it with the heat pack. Her ears are starting to get a warmer.


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                                                                            She hasn’t eaten anymore so I might take her to the vet. Maybe she’ll eat after she warms up a bit. She was eating hay but I thinks she stopped because she was getting cold.


                                                                          • cinnybun2015
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                                                                              Have you given her another dose of pain meds? That might be why she’s not eating. Check in with your vet. Maybe try to force-feed her a little bit more so she has something in her tum.


                                                                            • Agouti Lover
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                                                                                She still hasn’t eaten, I’m taking her to the vet (a different one) in two hours


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                                                                                  You guys were right she was too cold, 11°C to be exact. I have her in the sun and she has a blanket on her.


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                                                                                    Hopefully, if you can get her warmed up and eating, she’ll soon be on the mend.


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                                                                                      I got her warmed up and guess what; SHES EATING. She ate some kale and some cilantro, I think she’ll probably eat a lot more at night. The vet gave her some shots to increase her appetite, and gave me some actual critical care. But she did prescribe me a laxative, I’ve never heard of rabbits being prescribed laxatives so I was wondering if this was normal??
                                                                                      I tried giving her some critical care before she ate but she would not take it.
                                                                                      Her bonded mate is giving her little kisses through the cage. It’s so sad honestly it breaks my heart looking at him giving her little licks but the wire getting it the way. Honestly just some advice for anyone that’s going to get there rabbit spayed: Mentally prepare yourself before, I was definitely not mentally prepared and this entire spay has even had me sort of unwell. I cried at the vet today because of it (embarrassing I know) I even forgot to eat. So my advice honestly is just to remeber your rabbit will be looking in pain and will be acting different but just remeber your health is just as important as there’s


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                                                                                        Thats better Lily !! And its a knock on effect. Now she’s eating she’ll want to eat…. and get better…. yay. Calm calm calm for a few days more. Atleast 2 or 3 weeks before healing.


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                                                                                          Thanks a lot for your hot water bottle recommendation it helped a lot more than the heat packs. I was just wondering can they go back into hypothermia or is it just a one time thing ?


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                                                                                            Thanks a lot for your hot water bottle recommendation it helped a lot more than the heat packs. I was just wondering can they go back into hypothermia or is it just a one time thing ?


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                                                                                              Keep warm and keep chomping (((Lily)))


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                                                                                                I don’t think there’s any harm or danger in overheating for the minute, the important thing is to give her the choice of getting away if she feels too hot.

                                                                                                This is Zou with her HWB and a quilt over them both on the evening of the day of her op.

                                                                                                She could always move away but chose to stay. It wasn’t hot on her, but the air around her under the cosy quilt remained warm (as they lose their ability to keep themselves warm).

                                                                                                PS : It was the rose petal that disappeared first from her choice of treat bounties !!


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                                                                                                  Aww what a cutie. It’s currently the time lily would normally be asleep, I’ve moved her into my room and I put the heater on for about 10 minutes. I’m going to turn it back on at 5-6 am on low because that’s when temperatures are going to drop to 12° / the same temprature she was. She lost about 3/4 of her body heat; rabbits are usually meant to be 40° Celcius and lily was 11° Celcius


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                                                                                                    I hope Lily has a much better night. Good thoughts going with both of you.


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                                                                                                      Thank you for documenting lilly’s spay! as a bunny mom who will be spaying daisy in the upcoming months you have really helped me prepare!


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                                                                                                        Golly that’s a huge heat loss…. unbelieveable almost !!! Poor thing….. a nice blankie over her should do the trick and then she be up to mischief as usual…..


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                                                                                                          How cute she is with her HWB and blanket My Bam needed a HWB after his neuter. It’s so great when they understand what’s good for them!


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                                                                                                            I’ve given her her daily dose of pain killers and some laxative. She’s still not eating, but I don’t want to try critical care just incase Her tempratures too low


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                                                                                                              She’s starting to chew at her stitches and I have no way of getting her a cone


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                                                                                                                She’s starting to chew at her stitches and I have no way of getting her a cone


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                                                                                                                  do you have a bandage you can use to cover her tum?


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                                                                                                                    Yep, should I continue to keep the room warm or should I cool it. The vet said it was really unlikely that her temprature was as low as 11° but I think she still had pretty but hypothermia. I might get her a cone or just let the vet examine her. She’s nibbled on some kale and drank some water, she’s sleeping now


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                                                                                                                      Yay that she’s eating & drinking! Has she stopped chewing her stitches?


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                                                                                                                        Yep, right now she’s just lying down and grinding her teeth; I don’t really understand why since I gave her some painkillers 5 hours ago


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                                                                                                                          I would keep the room warm til she’s on the mend and active enough to keep herself warm


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                                                                                                                            I have her on my bed right now and she’s just lying down fully extended I think she’s trying to sleep ?


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                                                                                                                              Sometimes after the op it can be uncomfortable for them to sit normally for a while, probably why she’s all stretched out.


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                                                                                                                                Sometimes vets under-dose the Metacam for bunnies. Bunnies need more per kg body weight than cats and dogs do, because they metabolize meloxicam at a higher rate. Medirabbit gives the dose 0,1-1,5 ml/kg body weight (roughly 2 lbs) every 12-24 hours.
                                                                                                                                http://www.medirabbit.com/Safe_medication/Analgesics/safe_analgesics.htm
                                                                                                                                Tooth grinding and chewing at stitches are both indicators of pain. If you give more Metacam, you’ll need to monitor her body temp extra, painkillers lower body temp.

                                                                                                                                One of our members once made a makeshift E-collar from a hair-band.


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                                                                                                                                  Agouti

                                                                                                                                  Thank you for sharing, even though Gizmo is a boy I know what to have on hand we he goes in for his neuter.
                                                                                                                                  How is Lily doing?


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                                                                                                                                    Hope Lily’s doing well!!


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                                                                                                                                      One of her staples got ripped out by a blanket she was lying on (the thread got caught on them and then she started running around). She’s pooping peeing eating and drinking which is pretty good. I do have som extra pain killers just incase some pain is there and she stops eating. But from what I can see she’s fine, no tooth grinding, and she’s pretty active in the small space she has. She’s been grooming herself a lot because she’s bored, but I don’t think it will cause a hairball since she’s eating her hay like she normally does.


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                                                                                                                                        That’s great news Agouti Ina….


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                                                                                                                                          Great news Thanks for the update!


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                                                                                                                                            Awesome, great news!!


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                                                                                                                                              She now has a really weird preference for kale, she getting her staples out in 5 days (the vet wanted to get her back to her friend asap) so she’ll only have staples in for 10 days.


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                                                                                                                                                She now has a really weird preference for kale, she getting her staples out in 5 days (the vet wanted to get her back to her friend asap) so she’ll only have staples in for 10 days.


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                                                                                                                                                  all my buns and piggies have always loved kale, so lily is in great company seriously, though, kale is rich in iron and vit C, both needed for healthy healing, so she is a smart girl, and knows what her body needs to get better. Lots of nice fibre to keep a bunny gut happy too.


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                                                                                                                                                    Zou didn’t have staples…. Stitches only and a huge bandage which she wasn’t bothered with for ages….


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                                                                                                                                                      Lily’s gotten her staples removed and is now pretty much back to normal . Her personality changed a little bit, she’s stopped mounting her friend and is overall really mellow. She’s still really fiesty and does her normal behaviour like tipping over water bowls but she’s just a lot friendlier


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                                                                                                                                                        That’s good news Agouti – so glad to hear it !


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                                                                                                                                                          I echo Vienna, so glad to hear it!

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