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Forum HOUSE RABBIT Q & A Could Moxie Still Be Sick???

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    • MoxieMeadows
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        So everything was going good, no sneezing, no runny nose, no rattling in the chest. But during last night and early this morning Moxie was Sneezing A LOT. It didn’t end in a honking/coughing sound though, so I guess that’s good. I was thinking that it *might* be because of her hay though. As I mentioned before, the store I go to to buy hay is out now until spring. So while I am looking for a different place to buy, Moxie’s hay is starting to run short. We’re getting to the end of the bag where it’s been sitting in a lot of hay dust and Chaff. Moxie decided to sleep in her hay last night, so I though that that could have something to do with her sneezing. But then I started to wonder, Is 3 weeks of baytil enough to get rid of Pasteurella?

        I have decided to wait another day or two to see if she still is sneezing.  If she is I’ll have to take her back to the vets. I’m just really worried that it won’t go away! What are all of your opinions about this? Any advice would be great!


      • MoxieMeadows
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          Oh, I forgot to mention that all of her other behavior is normal. Normal Peeing, pooping, sleeping, eating, naughtiness. All normal!


        • Paradigm
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            I hope she’s fine and that its just the hay.


          • MoxieMeadows
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              I called the vets and Moxie’s nurse said that she’d have a consultation about what to do with the vet. Moxie’s nose is starting to be messy again, I don’t think it’s the hay. *sigh* They might give her another round but that would mean 6 weeks in total of baytril. Is that bad? What should I ask them for/to do?
              With all the stress that’s been going on in my life, this is the last thing I wanted to happen!


            • MoxieMeadows
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                Thank you Paradgim.

                The vets said they would refill her prescription, but that would be a total of 6 weeks if baytril, is that okay? Moxie hasn’t sneezed today though, and her nose looks less messy, so that’s a plus. I’ll post a pic of her messy nose.


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                • MoxieMeadows
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                    It wasn’t very messy, the shiny thing isn’t a booger, it’s just fur or whatever.


                  • MoxieMeadows
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                      Moxie got a dose of baytril today. They only gave us two weeks. She seemed very sick last night, so I’m worried she won’t get better after this.

                      Should the vets be prescribing her more than just baytril???


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                        I have NO idea, sorry Moxie.
                        Vibes to you both (((((MOXIE))))) – I can only imagine your fear and frustration, I’m so sorry!


                      • MoxieMeadows
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                          Thank you AH.
                          Yes, it is very frustrating and worrying, not knowing if this will clear it up or not. I am not looking forward to have to syringe more medicine into her for another two weeks, I was just starting to get back on her good side! But we have to do whats best for our buns…
                          I appreciate the vibes!


                        • Tokii
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                            Oh I just saw this..Get well soon Moxie! ((vibes)) and ((Huggss))


                          • MoxieMeadows
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                              Thank you Tokii.

                              So Moxie wasn’t having as violent of sneeze attacks last night/today as yesterday/the night before last night. Although she’s still sneezing. And then all of the sudden she started shaking her head and scratching at her ear. ALTHOUGH, she had just come out of her dig box filled with hay, and I think she got a little piece in there. I looked in her ear and wiped it with my finger, and after that she seemed okay. I’m going to keep an eye on her just in case though. A couple weeks ago she had a vets appointment and they checked her ears and they said they looked great… I’m still going to watch her and call the vets if she does it even one more time. I’m very worried that this baytril isn’t going to clear this up guys! I don’t want her to be sick anymore and this is very discouraging!

                              I was also wondering if I should replace her water bottle and bowls so that she doesn’t keep having her sickness germs enter her body. I thouroughly cleaned her waterbottle today and the little nozzle thing…


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                                Sorry I missed this before. Gus was on Baytril for weeks and weeks and weeks and weeks… He had one or two bouts of diarrhea, followed by being fine, and he had that once before all the Baytril, but I’ve started him on some of those probiotics (I got powdered, um, can’t remember the name and too lazy to look, but it’s what everyone gets) and I mix it w/ pumpkin. But I guess it’s OK to give Baytril for a long time as long as they don’t get stomach upset, though, again, I got nervous after awhile and decided to give some probiotics just to make me feel better, and maybe him and hopefully reduce the risk of stomach upset. It’s easy enough to give!


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                                  Oh, and I don’t know about cleaning. Seems like once she’s on the antibiotics, kinda like strep throat, after a day or two they aren’t contagious, but I really don’t know


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                                    MB- Does Gus have Pasteurella too?

                                    Does anybody know how long Pasteurella has to be in their system before it’s treated to cause it to become chronic and them have to be on meds everyday just to keep it down? I think that’s my worst fear… I’m fine with her having flare ups now and then if I can get it to go away again, but I really don’t want Moxie to have to go through meds everyday. Any help would be appreciated!


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                                      Nope. Gus has a severe ear infection. over $1,000 in surgery and the best I can say is that when I flush his ear I can get the pus out now that his ear canal is wider. I’ve tried some drops the breeder suggested, thinking that now something topical can get down there, but I think it’s irritating his ear ( breeders use it in eyes, so we figured we’d try the ear…but don’t tell my vet!)
                                      The Baytril did nothing. Apparently, with the ears, there are no blood vessels to carry the meds where they need to go, so the Baytril basically never works, but you’ve gotta try something…for a loooooong time. Very frustrating and I’ll be going back for a recheck in a few weeks to see what else we can try. I think I will just be flushing his ear every week for the rest of his life(with a Baytril solution). The vet warned me of this ahead of time, but at least I can treat/manage the area now that we have a wider ear canal to work with. That’s what he told me another client has had to do, and it turned out to be a BB’er, though I never looked it up to see if she was a regular contributor at any time. But her rabbits are ones she rescued/stole from an abandoned place that just left the rabbits there to die. It was a “get in and get out” operation an associate got her to do and that’s really something, I think. Anyway, I digress. She’s been flushing her rabbit’s ear for 6 years or so. Things to look forward to, but I’ve got to say it feels good to get a plug of pus out for him. I need to get the teeny tiny ear swabs, though, like the vet has, as it hurts him sometimes when I get the regular sized Q-tip in just that little bit to grab the pus.
                                      Wow! I could’ve just said no, Gus doesn’t have Pastuerella. I’m long-winded this morning!


                                    • MoxieMeadows
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                                        Ha ha, I can be long winded too MB!

                                        *Update*
                                        Moxie doesn’t seem to be getting better. She was making those honking sounds after a sneeze attack early this morning. And her breath seemed like it was starting to rattle again yesterday evening. She’s only had 2 doses so far for round 2, today will be her third. On the bright side her ear seems to be just fine though… Will keep you all updated!


                                      • Megabunny
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                                          At least we know who our newest Pasteurella expert will be now! I can’t even spell it


                                        • MoxieMeadows
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                                            Ha ha, Well, I’ve seen it spelled a couple different ways. I’m pretty sure you spelled it right though!


                                          • ergodic
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                                              Sorry Moxie is not feeling well. Have you considered doing a culture? George had a similar issue last year. It took him almost a week to show any improvement. I would definitely discuss it with the vet, maybe they can put Moxie on another antibiotic? George ended up on Zeniquin last summer, which is a much stronger version of Baytril.


                                            • MoxieMeadows
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                                                I’m going to have the vets do a culture on her if she doesn’t improve after this. Which I’m hoping she will!


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                                                  ((((((Vibes for Moxie))))


                                                • MoxieMeadows
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                                                    I’m really upset because I don’t think this first week of Baytril has done anything to help her. I found out that iron and some calciums ext. bind with the baytril so that her body will not absorb it. So not to feed anything high in that for about 3 hours before and after giving her her medicine. SO, the spinach and the baby food I’ve been giving her during giving her her medicine has most likely been canceling that out.
                                                    But nobody mentioned to not give her things like that? How was I supposed to know? During her first three weeks she was eating kale/lettuce mix, and she was having major improvements. But during this week she’s been mostly spinach and she’s gotten so much worse then before, probably back to the beginning state she was in.
                                                    So I’ve probably sabotaged her health, just trying to be nice and give her her favorite leafy green to lessen the stress of the medicine giving.
                                                    GAHHHHH!!!!!


                                                  • MoxieMeadows
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                                                      Thank you for the vibes LPT.


                                                    • LittlePuffyTail
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                                                        hmmmm…I’ve never heard that about Baytril.


                                                      • Megabunny
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                                                          I was never
                                                          Told anything like that either. If I think if it I’ll call and see if I can find anything out in this end for ya. At work right now


                                                        • Cottontail
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                                                            Sorry that she’s still having such a hard time of it. I hope she feels better soon!

                                                            {{ VIBES }}


                                                          • MoxieMeadows
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                                                              The vets said not to give Moxie any yogurt chip treats while on it, so maybe that’s all they thought of? And thanks MB.

                                                               

                                                              A few days ago she was very lethargic and not eating, so at least now she’s starting to eat again and isn’t so lethargic today. I’ve decided to not give her spinach or pellets for 4 hours before her meds and 4 hours after them. Hopefully that will give the baytril enough time to do what it’s supposed to do.  I don’t understand why the vets never mentioned anything about that though? I think I’m going to call them and find out for certain if this is true (which would make sense because she only had improvements when she didn’t eat spinach) and why they never told me.

                                                              Everybody  know who has rabbits (and doesn’t particularly care about them), their rabbits live for 10+ years. Well My rabbit is taken good care of, vet care, good diet, gets to run around ext. and she gets sick? Funny how that works.

                                                               

                                                               

                                                              Thanks for all the vibes, everyone. This has been a struggle for improvement, but I’m sure she will be able to overcome it hopefully soon. She’s a fighter! It’s still very stressful for her and me, trying to get her well and there not being much improvement…


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                                                                Spinach has both calcium and iron, both of which should not be fed at the same time as certain antibiotics. But I don’t think it would render the baytril useless, a sizeable bunch of spinach weighs next to nothing and I assume you’ve not given her pounds and pounds of it.

                                                                Maybe she has bacteria that baytril doesn’t kill, if she’s a resistant strain of the pasteurella or because it’s isn’t pasteurella that’s causing this or a combo of pasteruella and sth else The immune defense is always set back after a bout of illness and that makes it easier for other infections to take hold.

                                                                The probiotic Megabunny writes about is probably benebac. Since antibiotics kill all bacteria, good and bad, in the gut, it’s recommended to add a probiotic when you’re on antibiotics. I would very much assume that’s also the case with bunnies since they’ve such sensitive stomachs and are so dependant on a functioning gut flora.

                                                                I hope she gets well soon! Most rabbits that doesn’t get cared for very well die young, but you never hear of those. Well, I know you know this. But still.


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                                                                  Thank you bam for the info.
                                                                  And I find it so strange. the person I was talking to today was like “They really should have died by now, they were supposed to die when they were 3. And now they are like, like almost 15!”
                                                                  And I’m like “No, it’s actually very common for them to live into their double digits. And you SHOULD WANT them to live forever.” Sometimes I just don’t understand people! :^/


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                                                                    I hadn’t followed this thread. I didn’t know Moxie was having issues. I hope she gets to feeling better soon.

                                                                    Vibes for Moxie and you as well!


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                                                                      I called the vet and realized I was sounding stupid in asking about this now, as the Baytril is gone anyway and we aren’t going in for a recheck for a couple more weeks But in talking with the receptionist, she said they don’t tell people to feed them any special way with Baytril. As Bam said, we were also thinking you’d probably have to feed quite a bit of it totally be inactivated, but I’m not sure.

                                                                      I hope Moxie rounds the bend soon. It does seem like they shouldn’t get sick when they are not around other rabbits, well fed and protected, doesn’t it??


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                                                                        I know, it doesn’t seem like they should get sick.

                                                                        Moxie had another sneeze attack the evening, with the honking noises. I’m going to call the vets tomorrow morning when they open if Moxie doesn’t have an improvement tonight…


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                                                                          How is she now?


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                                                                            She’s still sneezing but not as bad last night. We’ll have to see how she is tonight, because that’s normally (and strangely) her worst time. I think I have another week of baytril left, then she’ll go to the vets and see what they want to do. Let’s hope she starts improving some more!


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                                                                              {{{ Moxie }}}

                                                                              How’s the sneezing and honking? Is she feeling a bit more spunky?


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                                                                                She is still sneezing a bit but I haven’t really heard any/much honking noises.

                                                                                For the first time in a few days Moxie came out of her home base for over 5 minutes for the day and ran around for a bit. She binkyed and played for 10-15 minutes and then went back in to take a nap. It’s noon and I’m about to give her her meds, so I’m going to encourage her to come out if she hasn’t already, so she plays more. She’s always been kinda lazy, so I just need to make sure she gets some more exercise.


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                                                                                  So when I bring Moxie back to the vets,
                                                                                  1) Are there any specific questions I should ask?
                                                                                  2)Any medicine I might suggest? (Although I fully understand I am not a vet, so this would just kinda be an idea for them to consider.)
                                                                                  3)When should I expect results from a culture?
                                                                                  4) How much do Cultures typically cost so I could be prepared? (Although I understand that prices will vary, but I’d like to have an idea.)

                                                                                  Thanks in advance!


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                                                                                    When I was searching about pasteurella a different website/forum thing came up. As I was reading it one of the members said that even if buns are fixed/good vet care, buns with Pasteurella don’t live as long as other buns. That is false right???????


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                                                                                      I wish I knew the actual answer to that Moxie, but I would think that every bunny is different. I would think it would depend on how bad and how frequent flareups are, if there are complications from flareups, if something else comes up at the same time, etc. I’m sure others have better info and advice than I do on this, but I see it kindof like this . . . . No general statement will always apply to each and every bunny, and as one article I read stated, most things talk about what *can* happen, not what *will* happen. I worry more about things like gi stasis that catch us totally by surprise. Don’t spend your time worrying about what could happen or you may miss out on fun bunny moments!


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                                                                                        uhgg.. sounds nightmareish

                                                                                        too bad you couldn’t just tuck her in to bed with a hot cup of lemon medicine ):

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