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    • Zombie-Sue
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        NEW DRUG: A Shot Can Now Neuter Some Dogs

        Summary of the article: apparently there’s a new shot that can neuter your (male) dogs. Yep, just a shot. No cutting, no anesthesia. They don’t list prices, but it is suggested that it’s cheaper.

        What do you think about this? I wonder how well it’s been tested, and how it works. I am optimistic about the future, though. Someday, for buns, that would be great!


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          It does sound great! (but so do a lot of things…. like my ‘new’ IPod that I just realized doesn’t take pictures the same as the old one – dam!).
          I wonder, is it like the male pill? (sorry, ‘my’ computer is playing up and I can’t read/see the whole story). But yer, if it turns out to be everything wonderful, how awesome for all our pets – one day.


        • Zombie-Sue
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            It doesn’t sound like it, it sounds like a 1 time shot. I don’t think there’s any contraceptives that would prevent pregnancy for a life time. But maybe o__O It’d be nice if they clarified that LOL


          • Roberta
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              Chemical sterilization is not actually a new idea… It has been used on convicted pedophiles and sex offenders for years in several European countries with great success. I suppose it’s one of those instances where a product has been tested on humans first before being decided safe for animals.


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                Ha ha hah Roberta – and that’s how it should be!


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                  Sterlization isn’t the only reason to neuter though… behavioral issues like aggression would still be there with hormones.. and false pregnancies in female buns. I’d still go with the tried and true, myself.


                • Zombie-Sue
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                    I’m not going to make up my mind on it one way or another until I know more about it…. and it’s been tested more o.O

                    Chemical castration I understand stops when a person stops taking a certain drug. To be actually “neutered” this particular drug would have to function in a different way. It could be confusing wording on the article’s part, but I understood it being different than that.

                    it’d be nice, anyway, if one little shot could solve all of our problems…. Here, give your pet this shot and it will live a full life of happiness and good behavior, lol.


                  • Zombie-Sue
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                      Okay, I just went ahead and googled it… ^_____^

                      The remedy nearest to market is Zeuterin, a mix of zinc gluconate and arginine that is injected directly into a dog’s testicles, killing the sperm and then shutting down the passageway through which it would normally travel. The results are permanent, and the process takes only a few hours, poses little risk compared with surgery and works in 99.6 percent of dogs, according to research trials.

                      http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/12/02/new-strides-in-spaying-and-neutering/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=1 Here’s the article–and it mentions something that I hadn’t thought of. Imagine how much EASIER it would be to neuter strays? Trap – Neuter- Release type programs in areas that have extremely troublesome populations have a far more practical and humane system for reducing the numbers.

                      Since some testosterone appears to be preserved, the behavioral issues are probably better fixed with the old tried and true as monkeybun says, but this could be extremely useful for people who, for whatever reason, are opposed to neutering or for strays

                      Deeeucchl, now that someone brought it up, I can’t stop thinking about pedophiles.  Makes me sick.


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                        “Under the FDA rules for Zeuterin, only dogs that are between three-and 10-months-old are approved for the shot.”

                        Not going to be very useful unless they expand the age range.

                        “The remedy nearest to market is Zeuterin, a mix of zinc gluconate and arginine that is injected directly into a dog’s testicles, killing the sperm and then shutting down the passageway through which it would normally travel. The results are permanent, and the process takes only a few hours, poses little risk compared with surgery and works in 99.6 percent of dogs, according to research trials.”

                        It’s over 10 years old in our country apparently.


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                          I wonder how it would work for cryptorchid dogs. They had to make three cuts in poor Brevins abdomen on Wednesday. Found his other testicle all the way up by his belly button.
                          I wonder why it’s only good for dogs up to 10 months? I wonder what kind of change takes place to where the shot wouldn’t work anymore. Odd. Although those months are the ideal times to neuter a puppy anyway. (I’m a big 6 month person. Abbie was spayed at 6 months and Brevin was neutered at 6 months. And so were the bunnies! Haha!)
                          I guess in the end, I’d rather the testicles be fully removed. It would completely eliminate the risk of testicular cancer. With the shot the testes would still be there, from the sounds of it. It just cuts off the access of where the sperm travels. It sounds pretty interesting though for those who can’t afford a surgery.


                        • Zombie-Sue
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                            I’m sure they will, no product becomes perfect over night. That’s still extremely useful for stray dogs or for people who won’t neuter otherwise.


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                              Chemical neutering is quite common in Sweden, among dogs, not human sex-offenders. But it’s not a one-time shot, it has to be renewed twice a year or so. It’s often done to see if whatever behavioural issues the dog display are hormonal. If they are, it’s recommended to have the full surgery.

                              This med doesn’t seem to deal with the hormones though, just the ability to procreate. Couldn’t you just have a vasectomy done instead? Or maybe it’s for breeders who wants the dog to be able to be a father sometime in the future but for practical purposes need it to be sterile most of the time?


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                                Posted By NewBunnyOwner123 on 01/19/2014 11:19 AM

                                I wonder how it would work for cryptorchid dogs. They had to make three cuts in poor Brevins abdomen on Wednesday. Found his other testicle all the way up by his belly button.
                                I wonder why it’s only good for dogs up to 10 months? I wonder what kind of change takes place to where the shot wouldn’t work anymore. Odd. Although those months are the ideal times to neuter a puppy anyway. (I’m a big 6 month person. Abbie was spayed at 6 months and Brevin was neutered at 6 months. And so were the bunnies! Haha!)
                                I guess in the end, I’d rather the testicles be fully removed. It would completely eliminate the risk of testicular cancer. With the shot the testes would still be there, from the sounds of it. It just cuts off the access of where the sperm travels. It sounds pretty interesting though for those who can’t afford a surgery.

                                I totally agree with you. There would still be a chance of the dog getting testicular cancer, definitely. That can be fatal, and even more expensive that the surgery. 


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                                  Bam – I think the med Sue is talking about is permanent unlike the temporary one in Sweden. Which intrigues me! Do you know what it’s called?


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                                    Sounds more like a nonsurgical vasectomy than a nonsurgical neuter.


                                  • Zombie-Sue
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                                      Right, it’s permanent. The product I think is called “Zeuterin” but the procedure is called “zinc neutering” I think!


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                                        Posted By MoveDiagonally on 01/19/2014 01:20 PM

                                        Bam – I think the med Sue is talking about is permanent unlike the temporary one in Sweden. Which intrigues me! Do you know what it’s called?

                                        THIS incarnation is called Zeuterin. It was released years ago (10? I think it said) under a different name, same product, but it got a bad reputation due to a large number of owners complaining of swelling testicles, etc. Which, the company that is making it now, says was due to poor training on the vets part. They are requiring a training session with it before they provide it.

                                        It’s in use for other animals in other countries and is just being adapted to dog use. From what the product is for its other uses, I don’t think there is a reason it’s limited to the 3-10 month range other than the FDA doesn’t trust it yet.  If it does take off this time, the price tag of $15 they quoted in one of those articles sounds better than the $100-$500 range for surgery.


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                                          Which will definitely help the issues of shelters here if it’s only $15. I wonder if there would be a way to mark the dog somehow that he’s now “sterile” since the testes will still be there and not as obvious. Or is it safe to do multiple shots for found strays and such.


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                                            I imagine they could do something like tattoo the dog. There will be a sedative for the procedure, just not full anesthesia.


                                          • Bam
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                                              Md; the chemical neutering used in Sweden is in a chip and the substance is called deslorelin. It has a duration of 6 months. Over time it’s way more expensive than the surgery.

                                              Chemical vasectomy sounds like a great idea if it’s safe for the dog. 

                                              I doubt it will reach Sweden though, vet’s will fight it and claim it’s not safe. They don’t want to do low-cost procedures. There’s little profit for them in it.    


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                                                This is interesting! I really like the idea of using this for neuter/release programs!

                                                The low cost thing that Bam mentioned is something to think about… I don’t work in the vet field, but I can see general vets considering spay/neuter their “bread and butter”. If animals can be sterilized for a fraction of the cost, that’s a big hit on the practice’s income. I could see this getting a BIG markup. Even if the vet’s cost is $15 dollars, they would put their fee closer in line to what a full surgery would cost.


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                                                  Which wouldn’t help the issue at hand. Greed is such a dangerous thing.


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                                                    Some vets may not, but there are many vets that already take a loss on spay/neuter to provide low costs to the owners, so they I am sure would love the low cost, non-invasive method.

                                                    My vet for example has been in business for over 25 years, his education debts are paid off and he’s very passionate about his patients. He has offered to stay after hours for Stickers because he doesn’t want her to see an emergency vet that doesn’t know anything about bunnies. I’ve seen him talk to owners for over 40 minutes without charging, because they were worried about something. And he keeps spay/neuter very low in cost (Powder only cost $95 for checkup+procedure+painmeds+antibiotic+after surgery care). And he doesn’t skimp on good meds either to cut costs, he insists on using only what he feels is best for the animal.

                                                    The humane society offers spay/neuter based on income of the owner, rather than cost of procedure, so I am sure they would love to being able to cut their costs as well. My mom and grandmother due to being low income only have to pay $20-$40 a pet already for spay/neuter, which is a big loss for the humane society. They already do so many procedures every day that it takes 3 weeks to even get an appointment where my mom lives. That is a lot of money saved for them if they could pay $15, do a shot quickly and send the animal home right away. Also, more animals they could fit in. Many vet clinics are also involved in low cost spay/neuter programs.

                                                    Not sure what sort of low cost options there are in other countries though. I know the humane society program is really great here for low income families. People that otherwise were having oops litters, started spaying/neutering because it was just a few dollars instead of hundreds.


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                                                      Besides that, in order for the drug companies to make money off of it, it needs to be cheaper than surgery–substantially so. They could come up with a system where vets are only allowed to stock it if they agree to charge only $x.


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                                                        Posted By Zombie-Sue on 01/20/2014 09:36 PM

                                                        Besides that, in order for the drug companies to make money off of it, it needs to be cheaper than surgery–substantially so. They could come up with a system where vets are only allowed to stock it if they agree to charge only $x.

                                                         There is already a chemical treatment available which runs $400+, more than most surgeries, because show dogs and work dogs are not neutered because the weight gain etc that some animals undergo when they are fixed would be detrimental to their working careers. Drug companies have a lot of ways to market their products to make money. This one is betting on the low cost though, from the sounds of it.


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                                                          There is already a chemical treatment available which runs $400+, more than most surgeries, because show dogs and work dogs are not neutered because the weight gain etc that some animals undergo when they are fixed would be detrimental to their working careers.

                                                          That’s not why show dogs aren’t neutered, show dogs aren’t neutered because it’s against the rules of showing.


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                                                            Posted By Zombie-Sue on 01/21/2014 01:16 AM

                                                            There is already a chemical treatment available which runs $400+, more than most surgeries, because show dogs and work dogs are not neutered because the weight gain etc that some animals undergo when they are fixed would be detrimental to their working careers.

                                                            That’s not why show dogs aren’t neutered, show dogs aren’t neutered because it’s against the rules of showing.

                                                            Physical alteration is against the rules of showing, chemical is not… at least, I know some European show dogs have been chemically neutered (temporary) not sure about AKC rulings. But, some of the chemical options have side effects that are bad for show dogs. And, as stated in the articles you linked, owners of working dogs worry about side effects of the surgeries (which is why the guy they interviewed tried the shot). This one is supposed to have few side effects, so they say.


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                                                              Physical alteration is against the rules of showing, chemical is not… at least, I know some European show dogs have been chemically neutered (temporary) not sure about AKC rulings. But, some of the chemical options have side effects that are bad for show dogs. And, as stated in the articles you linked, owners of working dogs worry about side effects of the surgeries (which is why the guy they interviewed tried the shot). This one is supposed to have few side effects, so they say.

                                                              Really? I wonder if it will become against the rules. I’d think that temporary altering would change their behavior, too. That could make an uneven playing field.


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                                                                I’d think that temporary altering would change their behavior, too. That could make an uneven playing field

                                                                I imagine any difference would be miniscule if it doesn’t effect hormone production/hormonal behavior. Isn’t it basically like a chemical vasectomy? So they should look and behave like intact dogs just without the means to procreate.


                                                              • Zombie-Sue
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                                                                  No, according to the FAQs page, testosterone is reduced by up to 50%. That strikes me as significant but I don’t know.

                                                                  The testicles actually shrivel a bit as a result of this.


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                                                                    Interesting! I honestly hadn’t looked into it at all and don’ t know much about dog showing/ect…

                                                                    I wonder if it’s the same for the temporary drug?


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                                                                      Me too!

                                                                      I know a little bit, I used to really like to watch the shows on TV heehee


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                                                                        It is a chemical temporary neuter, and many breeders choose this because they often have several dogs, both boys and girls, in their home and don’t want oops-litters. But they do want to be able to breed the male dogs, if they do well on shows or in tests for working dogs. It’s not against the rules in Sweden at least to show a neutered dog, but it’s kind of pointless because it’s gone from the gene-bank if it’s neutered. But some breeders want their buyers to show their puppies a couple of times so they can evaluate the result of their breeding. That’s why some neutered dogs are shown.

                                                                        Temporary chemical neuter does change the behaviour of the dog. But it doesn’t render the dogs sterile for more than 6 months.


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                                                                          So it’s like a birth control pill for dogs?


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                                                                            Personally, I think this shot is a fantastic idea for dogs. I’m becoming more and more pro-intact dogs because of the health benefits. Especially for males, the benefits of having hormones until full physical maturity (~2 years) seems to out weigh any risks. Females have higher risks, but the benefits of waiting until at least the first heat seem important for bone and joint development. The shot wouldn’t eliminate the risk of pyometria, which is probably the biggest risk I can think of for females, so the shot would probably have similar risks to keeping the dog intact. I think having a way to sterilize dogs without removing these hormones would be awesome.

                                                                            For rabbits, I’m still very pro-spay/neuter for health (females) and behavior. So I don’t think the shot would be nearly so useful.

                                                                            As far as the showing thing, dogs must be kept intact because the original purpose of conformation shows was to evaluate breeding stock. If a dog can’t be bred, there is no reason to show it in conformation (according to the original logic). I can’t find a specific rule about chemical sterilization though, so I guess you could show a dog who was sterilized. You also must have the dog registered correctly on a non-limited registration.

                                                                            I show my dog in AKC shows so he is intact. I never intended to keep an intact dog, but I find that the negatives are typically overblown, and the research is now leaning towards keeping dogs intact, at least for longer than previously thought.


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                                                                              I’ve never had an intact dog before myself. We let them outside often, the risk of impregnating strays was REAL lol


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                                                                                We can’t let dogs out unleashed or unsupervised in Sweden (except during hunting). We don’t have stray dogs. Maybe we will have in the future. We’ve loads of stray cats. A chemical permanent neuter for cats would be enourmously helpful here.

                                                                                My brother found 2 abandonned kittens last summer, in his garden. They were so tiny, just 4 weeks old or so. Luckily we managed to find a home for them. The pics above are of them, two little girls.


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                                                                                  Wait–not even in your yard? o.O

                                                                                  We have tons of stray cats here too x( The stray cat problem is a lot worse, actually. It really makes me angry.


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                                                                                    We can let dogs out in our gardens, but if a cat or other dog comes in and your dog hurts it, you have to pay. Also if a person comes into your garden and gets hurt by the dog, you have to pay. Even a well-known burglar with a full burglary-kit on his person MAY have been in your garden just to ask directions etc, so you will in practice always have to pay. Sometimes it may be worth it though. Also if a person or animal is bitten through the fence, you have to pay. If your dog jump the fence to chase a deer or rabbit in the neighbourhood, it’s a hunting-crime (don’t know the legal term in English).

                                                                                    So it’s only possible to have your dog out in your garden unsupervised if you’ve a good, high fence, preferably a double one. (But you’re still equally liable if a person or other animal climbs the fence and gets in.) This prevents many oops-litters from happening.


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                                                                                      Sorry – don’t want to go off topic, but how outrageous are those rules/laws! ‘You’ have to pay regardless?
                                                                                      I have the good old faithful sign with a picture of a nasty bulldog on my front fence stating “enter at your own risk”! I don’t care that my dogs are a small breed – don’t want to be bit (or licked to death) – don’t visit/enter my/their home!
                                                                                      So don’t ask for directions from me, ha ha hah….


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                                                                                        The US has laws that protect people on your property – it’s not that different from Sweden. If someone comes onto your property, even with malicious intent, you are liable if your dog bites them or they somehow hurt themselves.

                                                                                        As far as owning an intact dog, my dog is always on a leash when we’re outside and we don’t have a fenced in yard. If he had a more reliable recall I would allow him off leash on our property without hesitation as we don’t have stray dogs around here (and he would be fully supervised while outside). I would only allow him outside unsupervised if we had a fence and then other dogs wouldn’t be getting in either. People here keep their dogs inside, in fenced yards, or at least under supervision, so the chances of him running off and finding an intact female are slim to none.

                                                                                        It will be much more challenging if our next dog is a female and we leave her intact. Not because I’d be worried about accidental litters, but because crating and rotating them around the house (and dealing with the male’s whining while she’s in heat) would be annoying.


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                                                                                          Elrohwen, I thought the laws in USA were a lot more about protecting people’s property, i e that you could get shot if you walked into somebody’s garden and the garden-owner would be completetly in his/her right to shoot you. I would never have thought it would be considered anybody elses fault but your own if you were bit by a dog when entering sb elses garden uninvited.

                                                                                          That’s how much watching a lot of fictional TV-shows teaches you about the laws in other countries =/

                                                                                          Not having stray dogs is of course a good thing, both for the dogs and the people. There are some European countries where stray dogs are a huge problem, f ex in Romania.


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                                                                                            These type of laws vary state to state – I think you are talking about the “Stand your ground law” in Florida which really is only about guns not dog bites too so I think that is totally different. Many insurance companies will not insure your home if you have a certain breed of dog or a dog who has bitten someone.


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                                                                                              Dog bite laws very much from state to state here. In most places you are unlikely to be held liable if someone trespasses on your property/breaks in to your home. If someone gets bitten and are found to have provoked the attack you might only be partially liable or not liable at all. If someone acts foolishly/without regard for their personal safety you might not be liable or only be half liable. In some cases you might be liable for physical damages but not emotional/mental ones.

                                                                                              I totally understand why you brought up gun laws though! Lol. It would be kind of silly to be liable for your dog biting a burglar when, in some places, you can legally shoot and kill someone in your home/on your property if you feel you are in danger. We do sometimes have a lot of silly/contradictory laws sometimes though so I wouldn’t be surprised if that was the case somewhere.

                                                                                              I love reading your comments on threads like this! I always learn so much more about Sweden.


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                                                                                                I agree MD – silly/contradictory laws! What ever happened to common sense? Oh – politicians! My bad?!?!?!


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                                                                                                  If someone breaks into my house and I shoot them, inside my house, -if- I don’t kill them (unlikely ) they can SUE ME! SO.. here.. in Virginia, it’s just better to kill the burglar, otherwise, I can be sued for his medical bills and pain and suffering. Yep. And if my dog attacks them inside my home, I would need a really good lawyer, to TRY to save my dog’s life.


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                                                                                                    In Virginia you can’t by alcohol in the grocery store, it’s all in state-run stores

                                                                                                    I wanted to see how far we could derail this thread LOL


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                                                                                                      In Virginia you can’t by alcohol in the grocery store, it’s all in state-run stores

                                                                                                      I wanted to see how far we could derail this thread LOL

                                                                                                      It’s the same in Oregon! Also you can’t pump your own gas here. We have attendants.

                                                                                                      Edited to add: Well… I don’t know if they are state run but you can’t buy liquor in grocery stores. 


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                                                                                                        You started this ZS! Here in Queensland Australia – we have to buy our alcohol from the bottle shop (Dan Murphy’s is cheapest here, LOL!)
                                                                                                        Petrol – no we pump our own. Apparently our wages are too high so can’t afford to pay a human to do it for us and create a job – we’d rather pay them welfare for doing nothing!


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                                                                                                          I don’t drink. I do get gas on occasion though. I’d like it if that were also optional LOL.

                                                                                                          I would not want someone else pumping my gas.


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                                                                                                            Why? (not drinking, lol – the gas?).


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                                                                                                              I don’t know, I just don’t want someone else messing with my car at all LOL what if they get it on the paint or lose my gas cap x(


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                                                                                                                Gosh – your SO funny (& original) ZS! Who can argue with that – not me!


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                                                                                                                  I would not want someone else pumping my gas.

                                                                                                                  Haha, it’s actually illegal here to pump your own gas. I think Oregon and New Jersey are the two states where you can’t do it and have to have attendants. I worked at a service station when I was much younger (Lol, over a decade ago!). Never lost gas cap but did have someone drive off with the pump STILL IN THEIR CAR. Yanked it clear off and scared me half to death. Lol.


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                                                                                                                    If I could guarantee I’d have a young MD pumping my gas, I suppose that would be okay. Otherwise I’d have to move.

                                                                                                                    My mom said that when she was like 10 she had to help her grandmother figure out how to pump gas. When she was young there were attendants everywhere (including here in iowa) and when they started to disappear, her husband always did it.


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                                                                                                                      Yep, that’s why I got married! I drive my car till it’s almost empty (beeping frantically) then offer for hubby to take my car next time he has to go out….
                                                                                                                      Oh, and he also cleans out Henry’s litter tray! So I decided to keep him. I can’t imagine I could do any better than that?????


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                                                                                                                        What? Are you like, afraid of it or something? It’s really easy!

                                                                                                                        But he sounds like a good man anyway x)


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                                                                                                                          Haha.

                                                                                                                          I think this thread is officially derailed! How about that chemical dog neutering? Neat stuff!


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                                                                                                                            Na – just one of the ‘only’ things I get away with being a girl? (& considering I DO everything else!) ha ha ha hah…..

                                                                                                                            Did someone say something about ‘chemical dog neutering’? 


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                                                                                                                              LOL!

                                                                                                                              It was the original topic of this thread Andi XD


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                                                                                                                                You know, before it became January Chat Number 2 lol.


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                                                                                                                                  I know ha ha ha ha ha ha hah… I was just joking – adding to the joke that the forum got so derailed! Thanks MD and ZS – I thought this was hilarious! I SO enjoyed myself. This and the ‘stealing bunnies’ is the best fun I’ve had in ages! I said it before and I’ll say it again – your good ZS! Cheers, Andi!


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                                                                                                                                    tehee  Well hubby said he didn’t want no more barracades to the bedroom for Cotton.  I was using spare oven racks.  I am now using nic cubes.  They are shorter and Cotton isn’t interested in jumping them.  Hubby hasn’t complained.  Plus he likes to cook. 

                                                                                                                                    So I don’t complain about that.  I do cook some myself but he beats me to it most of the time.  Except for salads and potatoes n green beans oh and lentils.  

                                                                                                                                    Now we are really off track.   

                                                                                                                                    If interested in the flight home I put it in january chat on Feb 1st by mistake rofl.  

                                                                                                                                    I too would rather the full spay and neuter for my rabbits. 

                                                                                                                                    When I was 16  17 that was what 30 years or so ago I had a cocker spaniel.  Decided not to spay before her first heat  We gave her a pill to stop the heat.  So back then there was birth control pills for a dogs heat.  To be used only once.  No more after the first time. 

                                                                                                                                    Anyone familiar with that?  Just wondering


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                                                                                                                                      That’s interesting bunnytowne, I’ve never heard of that. I worked at a veterinary hospital… wow.. 20 yrs ago now, wow I feel old for sure now… anyway! I never encountered that in the 3yrs I worked there. I wonder what it was…


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                                                                                                                                        I don’t remember the name of it.  My Mom remembers giving it to her tho.  Just 1 tablet that she ate.  That was the end of it.  The heat.  


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                                                                                                                                          There are contraceptive pills/shots for dogs that can be used on beotches to put off heat if f ex you have an important competition (obedience, protection) or test just when heat is due. It’s not recommended for beotches that are to be used for breeding. Is there another word in English for she-dog? Bitch has sort of a negative ring to it =/

                                                                                                                                          People who compete with their dogs on higher levels may use this method.


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                                                                                                                                            Nope, just beotch lmao. Outside of like a technical book though most people just say “female dog” for that reason

                                                                                                                                            o.O this forum edits that word LOL


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                                                                                                                                              (I agree with bam – I just say “female dog” because of that reason too…LOL. I just couldn’t refer to my female dog or anyone else’s as a beotch. It seems mean and weird, in a way)
                                                                                                                                              I think totally spaying and neutering is always better than pills, etc. Those can have bad side effects with dogs. Some people use diapers but that just looks weird….. /:

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