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    • Baby-Daisy
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        Well yesterday when I had daisy in her nic cage, I had to take her out of it because is is not to strong, and it wad time for bed. We are going to get more zipties to make it strongeg, later. It took us like 20 mns. To get her out of that cage and put her in the other one inside. What can I do to make getting her easier.?


      • LittlePuffyTail
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          Try bribing her out with a treat?


        • RoyalElvira
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            Definitely try bribing with a treat. My buns now have free range of their room, but before that I would use pellets to lure them in their pen!


          • Baby-Daisy
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              I would try to bring her in with a treat but she can’t walk to jer other cage. Out floor is too slicl, and she would have to walk up stairs, and she does not know how to.


            • Snowytoshi
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                You can teach her how to run up the stairs, just place her on the first step and direct her upwards. We taught our rabbits by placing their front paws gently on each step and then helping them up the rest of the way. If you do this calmly and gently she won’t get scared or hurt.


              • Baby-Daisy
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                  There is spacing between out stairs, I will put a picture on my wall in myprofile


                • RoyalElvira
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                    You could also get a cat carrier and use that. My bunnies really dont like to be held, so whenever I have to move them somewhere I use the cat carrier. I lure them in with apple or pellets. You could also try putting towels or something down on the slick areas to get her to walk there. I have to do that on our hardwoods.


                  • kamdynandsunshinesmom
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                      The way my buns cage is set up so I can reach her no matter where she is at in her cage in case of an emergancy try doing that.


                    • Baby-Daisy
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                        I can reach her nomatter where she is in the cage. I also have another problem. We wete not able to bring Daisy in toinght.. We were going out the whole day, and no one would be home , so my mom told me to put her outside in her cage, I told her how much it is a pain in the butt to get her out of that cage, but she said if I don’t pur her out then she would not beable to come in again. So I put her out. Well a few mins agao when me and my dad went to go get her she started hissing. So we just put a lot of blankets coverering her cage.


                      • Snowytoshi
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                          You need to keep your rabbit in one cage, moving her back and forth is extremely stressful. She won’t display cage aggression if she knows where her home is.


                        • Hazel
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                            I thought you had her NIC cage ready? Why can’t she stay in there when you’re not home?

                            She is terribly stressed out because she gets moved from one place to the other all the time and she won’t start to trust you if you have to forcefully catch her every day. Every time you do that it makes her trust you less and fear you more. That’s why she hisses and won’t come to you. She NEEDS a place to herself where she can stay permanently and feel safe and at home.


                          • Baby-Daisy
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                              The cage is not strong enough. If she jumps up on it it will flip over


                            • Snowytoshi
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                                Why can’t you move her hutch inside?


                              • sleepy538
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                                  daisy needs one home that she can count on. by carting her in and out you are confusing her, scaring her, and ticking her off. she is going to get more wary of you and not want you too close, which is probably why she doesn’t want you to take her out of her cage. bunnies bond through trust, and right now, to daisy, you might not seem trustworthy.


                                • Pandorachik
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                                    The only time I move Jack to another cage is when I clean his pen. ( He is a messy bunny!! ) I learned to pick Jack up by putting some treats on the ground and picking him up correctly. Watch a video on how. I suggest 101rabbits video on how. You can’t just pick them up like a dog. That may the the problem.


                                  • RabbitPam
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                                      I would urge you to shore up the condo firmly, get it stable, and finish that as soon as possible so she can use it as her only place. If it’s just not working, maybe you can return the parts and get an X-pen instead, which can be shaped to fit your available space. You can get squares of coroplast that might be helpful in strengthening the sides or bottom. Also, check out the habitat photo section for more ideas. There are materials that can be used, like dowels, unfinished pine slabs or corner brackets, that can help to make a condo more sturdy. It sounds like that project needs to be done.

                                      A treat into the carrier is a good way to transport her around. Also, she may not like being caught or heights once held, so a light weight towel draped over her to scoop her up, and block he vision when being carried, may help as well. Get your hand and arm Firmly under her back legs and butt, and hold her tightly against your chest or in the crook of your other elbow so she can feel very supported. Lower her to the ground before releasing her (like kneel first) so she doesn’t feel she is falling from a great height.


                                    • Sam and Lady's Human
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                                        Return the Nic and get an x-pen. Plenty stable, and she’ll finally have one safe home.


                                      • Baby-Daisy
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                                          I can’t return them. I got them at a place that was going out of biss. And they won’t take returns. And she still does not want to come out of her cage. I tried everything!


                                        • sophie_gretel
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                                            I know that in one of your other posts, members gave you lists of the supplies you needed to make an NIC cage. Zip ties was on there, all you need are those to make the cage sturdy and then it won’t be flimsy. From the picture in your profile, it looks like you just used the connectors that come with the cubes and no zip ties. Those definitely will not be able to make the cage stable enough for a bunny or anything really.

                                            She doesn’t want to come out of the cage because she is stressed and probably scared of you. Moving her around from cage to cage all the time is not good for your relationship with your bunny. She will continue to do this and get more aggressive with you unless you give her proper, consistent housing. Zip ties can be found at any hardware store, like Lowe’s or Home Depot and they are very inexpensive. I suggest you get them ASAP. That way Daisy can finally have a safe, secure home.


                                          • Kokaneeandkahlua
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                                              Hi Baby Daisy!!

                                              For the stair problem-I looked at your pictures and I think with time she could learn to use the stairs-even with the gap rabbits are pretty acrobatic

                                              I think the quickest solution to your issue is getting a ton of zip ties and making that cage stronger -teaching Daisy to be held, or to trust going into a carrier or use the stairs would certainly take a lot longer than spending a couple of hours fortifying the cage with zip ties. Is it possible for you to get zip ties somewhere this weekend so you can fix the cage up this Saturday or Sunday? How is she doing in the meantime?


                                            • RabbitPam
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                                                If the nic cubes really aren’t working, you can probably sell them to someone second hand and get an xpen instead, which I think is the easiest, sturdiest and most flexible for space in the home.

                                                In your other post Sarita gave you this link to video showing how to build a nic condo. If you can’t open it because you’re using a phone, try to find another computer to use. Here’s the link to paste into the address box above:
                                                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rrm4…-b78

                                                It’s on YouTube, and is called “How to Build a NIC Rabbit Condo” by 101rabbits. (Who is one of our members I believe.) You can just look it up on YouTube.
                                                My thinking is that there may be a step suggested that you didn’t try in yours that will solve the problem for you. I work better with a demo, so it may help you get a solution to yours.


                                              • Baby-Daisy
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                                                  ok I am working on it so the cage is better. Does anyone haveideas that I can use to get Daisy out of her cage?


                                                • Sam and Lady's Human
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                                                    There isn’t a way to get a rabbit out of a cage if they don’t want to without stressing them out and making them fear you. Support the cage with a couple chairs or something you have around the house, run to the store and buy zip ties for a couple bucks, and fix the cage today


                                                  • Kokaneeandkahlua
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                                                      Have you picked up zip ties, or how are you working on the cage?


                                                    • Suivezmoi
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                                                        My guy usually won’t come out, and refuses to take any food from my hands. However, he goes crazy for craisins. I think if you just sit near her cage, and give her treats (something she really really likes) and talk softly (no grabbing her!) she might decide to come out. Teaching her that when you are around, yummy treats are too is a good step. Animals associate you with things, and right now she associates you with something trying to eat her (getting picked up) and being moved around to new scary places. I

                                                        Moonpie will run out of his cage now when he hears me talking, because he wants to make sure I’m not hiding any treats from him. He is much more interested in me now that he knows I give him yummy things. Also, I never put him back in his cage or take him out bodily. If i want him to go back in I get him some hay, or veggies and usually he’ll go back in to investigate. Even when I have to give him his eye meds, I entice him out with a treat, and make sure to give him one right after I’m done, so he knows that even if I am gonna bug him for a little bit, he’ll be getting something good afterwards.

                                                        Animals have good memories, they have to remember what is poisonous in the wild, what predators smell like, that the last time they went into that clearing something tried to eat them. It’s not wonder our buns can hold a grudge, especially when it comes to something they are afraid of.


                                                      • Suivezmoi
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                                                          Also the sitting and waiting thing could take over an hour. I’ve had to sit that long when I was trying to entice a stray kitten to come out from behind my toilet. I just sat there and talked softly to her, and let her come to me. I think that’s what you’re going to have to do with Daisy if you want her to trust you again.


                                                        • Baby-Daisy
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                                                            The cage I am trying to get out of is the one outside. And she can’t exactly walk out on her own. The cage is raised 3 feet above the ground.


                                                          • Sam and Lady's Human
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                                                              Posted By Baby-Daisy on 01/27/2013 07:03 AM

                                                              The cage I am trying to get out of is the one outside. And she can’t exactly walk out on her own. The cage is raised 3 feet above the ground.

                                                              Is her inside cage done?


                                                            • Baby-Daisy
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                                                                Yes, her inside cage is finally done.


                                                              • Sam and Lady's Human
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                                                                  Put on some long sleeves and a heavy coat, gloves, and reach in and pull her out. If its her last move (hurrah!) then you gotta do what you’ve gotta do. And then leave her in her new cage for a few days, to give her a break


                                                                • Baby-Daisy
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                                                                    Well I was just thinking, and I thought that I could get wood and use it like a ramp, and put the end of the ramp at the bottom in her fabric cage I use to house her in when I clean her cage.


                                                                  • MoveDiagonally
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                                                                      I agree with Sam and Lady’s Human. I would just get her last move over with. Sometimes we have to do things that our bunnies find unpleasant because they don’t know what’s best for them. It’ s better for her to be inside (and stay inside).


                                                                    • Hazel
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                                                                        Don’t bother building a ramp or anything to get her out, that would just delay her moving inside, which has to happen right away! Don’t make her stay out there any longer trying to lure her out. Just grab her and get her in the NIC cage. She might be mad for a little while, but that’s better than dragging this out anymore.


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                                                                          I agree with everyone else, grab her, and bring her inside and then keep her there. Once she is inside let her come out on her own and be very gentle with her so she can adjust. This needs to happen now or your bunny’s emotional state will suffer


                                                                        • sleepy538
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                                                                            so, to sum things up…

                                                                            bring daisy in for good!!


                                                                          • Svandis
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                                                                              What’s the status, baby daisy? Is she inside, how are you guys doing?


                                                                            • Baby-Daisy
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                                                                                We are doing great! But today I have to put Daisy back out side. She was soposed to got back outside Friday, but I mannaged to fight in a few more days. At night it is soposed to b between 54 and 46. It is now much eaiser to get her in. I just put some hay in a box. Tilt the box sideways, till it matches up with the side of her cage, and then she just hops in the box. We are moving her NIC cage in to the basement, because it is taking up too much room in the livingroom.


                                                                              • Snowytoshi
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                                                                                  You cannot keep moving her outside and inside Baby-Daisy. She needs a permanent inside home, it really does cause extreme stress to rabbits, when their living situations are not stable.


                                                                                • Baby-Daisy
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                                                                                    I can’t always have her inside. My parents say that she is not a indoor rabnit, and that they are ment to br outside. And that she is only allowedin when it is cold out. I am trying to see if my parents will let her be a inside bunny for ever, but she says she smells.


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                                                                                      You have already built the Nic Cube cage, haven’t you? You need to explain to your parents the stress that a rabbit is put through when she is constantly being moved and that the best place for a rabbit is indoors.

                                                                                      Or if your parents are completely adamant against the idea, you could build her a shed. That would provide her with protection from the elements, stable living quarters, and if you attach a run to it, she will be able to run around whenever she chooses. Having a run attached to a shed is the best option for outdoor rabbits.


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                                                                                        if snowytoshi’s suggestions don’t go over well with your parents, you could also consider rehoming daisy with a friend or relative. this way you can still see her and she will get the care and stability that she needs. you’ve been very lucky so far that this stress and the shifting temperatures have not caused illness, but for daisy’s sake you don’t want to push that luck.


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                                                                                          It’s obvious that you love your bunny and I think everyone understands that you have to abide by your parents rules. Have you explored re-homing her? If you’re parents won’t let you give your bunny what she needs to be safe, happy, and healthy then it might be whats best for Daisy. If you want to keep her with you than it would probably be best for you to come to some kind of terms with your parents (you could offer to do extra chores, promise to keep her area super tidy, etc….) so that they will allow her to be inside for good (or allow you to build her a shed like SnowyToshi said).

                                                                                          Daisy NEEDS a stable safe place to call home. The stress of moving her inside and outside (and the temperature change) WILL make her sick eventually.


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                                                                                            Ditto what MoveDiagonally said. Daisy WILL GET SICK from all this stress, not to mention the changes in temperature etc. You need to find a permanent solution. If you can have her inside all the time – that would be the best thing! But if not, I would also look into rehoming her..


                                                                                          • Baby-Daisy
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                                                                                              I am NOT looking into rehoming her. Where we live, no one thinks rabbits belong inside, and she would just be outside for the rest of her life.


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                                                                                                By the sounds of it, that is likely to happen anyway, with the way your mom thinks


                                                                                              • Svandis
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                                                                                                  Yeah, then you need to work harder on finding a solution to having her inside then


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                                                                                                    This thread is turning into a fight and it’s no longer helpful for Baby-Daisy. She knows what needs to be done, but in the end, it’s up to her and her family to make sure that this happens.

                                                                                                    Baby-Daisy, all of our members mean well and they only want what is best for your bunny. Understandably, they’ve received mixed signals from your series of posts: “The bunny is inside!” and then “The bunny is outside!” and then “The bunny is in or out depending on the day!”

                                                                                                    We’ve provided some good advice for you. It’s now up to you to do what’s best for your bunny.

                                                                                                    I’m going to lock this thread because it’s in danger of becoming a battleground. You must admit, our members are nothing if not passionate about rabbit care! If you want to post a new update once you have Daisy inside full-time, that would be great. Or if you have other diet/care/health concerns not related to housing, you can post those in the appropriate sub-forum. Until then, good luck!

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