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Last Post by bmt87 at 11/17/2012 6:43 PM (51 Replies)
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User is Offline bmt87
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11/10/2012 4:40 PM
We have poops! 9 of them! 11 hours later...
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User is Offline tanlover14
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11/10/2012 4:58 PM
Yay for poops! All of us bunny owners sure do know the joys of seeing poop!
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User is Offline jerseygirl
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11/10/2012 6:51 PM
She probably wasn't drinking because she had subQ fluids.
Glad you're seeing output again. The delay *may* have been purely because food she had eaten since treatment hadn't made its passage thru the digestive tract yet. The fact she was eating was (and is) great.
Whoever says "It's only a rabbit" has obviously never loved a rabbit.

User is Offline LittlePuffyTail
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11/11/2012 3:24 AM
Yay for poops!!!!!

How is Lola today? (((((Lola))))
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User is Offline bmt87
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11/11/2012 8:31 AM
Lola is doing MUCH better this morning and I am hoping it lasts the entire day --- around 8pm is when she has gone down hill the past few days.

She ate all her greens (~1.5 cups of mix kale, parsley, dandelion, and cilantro) and pooped all over her cage this morning! Still not as much as normal - but it's a start! My boyfriend's brother and his friends stayed last night so at first I was worried that it would stress her out but it ultimately being really good for her...their stuff lying around everywhere gave her a reason to hop around and explore. She was too nosy to stay in her cage and wanted to hop all over their stuff and sniff them so I think the hopping around helped. She also got another good brushing this morning.

Fingers crossed!
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User is Offline LittlePuffyTail
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11/11/2012 12:01 PM
Glad to hear it!!! (((((More Get Well Vibes)))))
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11/11/2012 5:07 PM

So on top of all this - I noticed when Lola was laying on her belly that she is also developing sore hocks.... 

I can't make this stuff up....  

I don't know what's going on and feel like we've done something so wrong.  She has a perfect diet that's completely by HRS guidelines and a completely carpeted and cushy cage. She isn't overweight - 5.2 lbs.  She's never on hard surfaces except when she is laying on her belly on the bottom of our bookshelf....

I just want to cry.  This is making me feel like an awful bunny parent.

You can see in the picture that the pink skin is showing.  It's not broken open yet....

Advice? Suggestions? Could it be because she is shedding?  Or because she has been sitting in the "loaf" position for almost 4 days straight because of the Stasis?

On the brightside we just had another fresh batch of relatively normal looking bunny poos.... 

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User is Offline jerseygirl
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11/11/2012 5:34 PM
Yay for poo!

Her feet actually look normal to me. If its a healthy pink and just looks like a callous then I think that's normal IMO. Some buns have that. Not a bad idea to keep a check on it from time to time.
Whoever says "It's only a rabbit" has obviously never loved a rabbit.

User is Offline StarryMoon544
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11/11/2012 6:50 PM
Oh no! I'm so sorry you and Lola are going through this, sending good vibes!

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11/11/2012 8:18 PM
Posted By bmt87 on 11/11/2012 08:07 PM

So on top of all this - I noticed when Lola was laying on her belly that she is also developing sore hocks.... 

I can't make this stuff up....  

I don't know what's going on and feel like we've done something so wrong.  She has a perfect diet that's completely by HRS guidelines and a completely carpeted and cushy cage. She isn't overweight - 5.2 lbs.  She's never on hard surfaces except when she is laying on her belly on the bottom of our bookshelf....

I just want to cry.  This is making me feel like an awful bunny parent.

You can see in the picture that the pink skin is showing.  It's not broken open yet....

Advice? Suggestions? Could it be because she is shedding?  Or because she has been sitting in the "loaf" position for almost 4 days straight because of the Stasis?

On the brightside we just had another fresh batch of relatively normal looking bunny poos.... 


---yes,--the fur is worn down,--start monitoring her weight--this pink spot-(hock)- may get worse depending on weight,or hard running surface,--here is the webite fr becoming a poopologist  http://www.bio.miami.edu/hare/sickbun.html  --sincerely james waller

User is Offline LittlePuffyTail
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11/12/2012 1:30 AM
I can relate with how you are feeling. My buns get the absolute best care/diet possible but they still have loads of health problems. Seems like I'm always at the vet with one or the other.

Lola's feet look fine to me. Hard, pink callouses are normal. It's important to check the callouses once a week to make sure they are not getting red/swollen/sore. Also, be sure to keep her back nails clipped short. What sort of flooring does she have?
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User is Offline bmt87
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11/12/2012 7:16 AM
Haha LPT - I'm like --- "seriously....you eat better than I do small little fluffy thing...."

They aren't hard callouses yet and they just appeared in less than 48 hours. They definitely weren't there when I took her to the emergency vet on Friday night.

Her nails are a little longer than usual because they were supposed to be trimmed when she was sick and I didn't want to stress her out more. And those fluffy, pampered feet are on plush carpet all day long except when they are in her carefresh bedding lined litter box. So....I'm not sure. It does look like she is loosing little tufts of hair on her feet and I thought maybe it was just the excessive shedding and grooming.

In any case, I just called her normal vet and scheduled a follow-up appointment for tomorrow. I figured if we've already paid a couple hundred dollars in vet bills a $40 check-up is a drop in the bucket to make sure everything else is ok at this point.

Sigh. Now I just have to tell her that Santa is paying the vet bills this year instead of bringing new toys....
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11/12/2012 7:21 AM
Also - does anyone have any suggestions on what I should ask the vet tomorrow after the GI Stasis scare and the hocks?

SO far I have:

-Can I have a prescription for the SubQ fluids so I have them on hand in case this happens again?
-Can reglan be mixed with simethicone if during another stasis incident she is looking and feeling really uncomfortable?
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User is Offline Sarita
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11/12/2012 8:01 AM
Did the emergency vet do an x-ray? Did they think she had a blockage?

I don't usually mix reglan with simethicone myself, I suppose you could but not sure what could it can do in the case of a blockage and the reglan and/or cisapride would be to get her gut moving. My vet has always said that the gas is the result of the blockage so it's really a secondary symptom I guess...of course I'm not a big fan of simethicone but many people swear by it.

In the case of a blockage then administering sub-q's at home is a great idea - I just hang my sub-q bag on a hanger and do the sub-q's in the bathroom. If you know how to do this, then yes it can be a good idea as long as your vet gives the okay.

I guess the bottom line is to know what the cause of the stasis was. Although it can many times seem to be a mystery which is quite frustrating.

User is Offline Sarita
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11/12/2012 8:04 AM
Just rereading Dana Krempel's article on GI Stasis and she says simethicone has no known drug interactions.

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11/12/2012 8:55 AM
Posted By Sarita on 11/12/2012 11:01 AM
Did the emergency vet do an x-ray? Did they think she had a blockage?

They didn't do an x-ray. That was the second course of action if the problem was still re-occuring after 48 hours....and so far we've almost had 36 straight hours without tummy troubles. I really think it's due to her shedding and she is trying really hard to pass it.  
I will definitely ask her vet about it though!  I want to go in with a list so that was helpful! 

And the simethicone info was helpful!  That was all stuff that I didn't think to ask the ER vet so I will definitely read that article to see what else it says.

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User is Offline MimzMum
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11/12/2012 12:05 PM
Just getting back in here today and kind of skimmed through posts.... Wanted to ask if Lola always has kale? That veg gives mine gas everytime they have it and they won't pass poos for several hours and/or until I administer simethicone.

Fiver had beautiful heels one day and sore hocks the next. He has beautiful soft bedding and I change his litter twice a day. His fur is such that it was easy to wear it away. But if you can keep her heels dry and clean (has anyone mentioned bag balm for rough spots?) they shouldn't become worse. Sometimes bunnies are just prone to these things, it's no reflection on your abilities.
I think you're doing an ace job! (((((((Hugs)))))) I hope Lola continues to improve and you both get a break from troubles. Sounds like you two could both use a good snuggle and some playtime together.
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User is Offline james waller
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11/12/2012 3:32 PM
Posted By bmt87 on 11/12/2012 11:55 AM
Posted By Sarita on 11/12/2012 11:01 AM
Did the emergency vet do an x-ray? Did they think she had a blockage?

They didn't do an x-ray. That was the second course of action if the problem was still re-occuring after 48 hours....and so far we've almost had 36 straight hours without tummy troubles. I really think it's due to her shedding and she is trying really hard to pass it.  
I will definitely ask her vet about it though!  I want to go in with a list so that was helpful! 

And the simethicone info was helpful!  That was all stuff that I didn't think to ask the ER vet so I will definitely read that article to see what else it says.

--no radiograghs..??-well,does her tummy feel doughy--this is good//,,shedding -requires lots of grasses,water--to break up and pass--remember rabbits cannot throw up-like a cat/furball,--anything that is chewed up and swallowed must go all the way through--please check out this website for details  http://www.medirabbit.com  --sincerely james waller


User is Offline TBpony414
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11/12/2012 6:24 PM
Her hocks look perfectly normal to me. Domesticated rabbits often have fur missing on their hocks and it's just from hopping around on carpet (which is sort of abrasive on their tiny bunny feet) and living a normal life. Once they develop a callous like that the fur won't grow back which is fine, just keep an eye on it.

Regarding simethicone: in an emergency, it can be given every 2 hours and does not interfere with any drugs whatsoever. I give it twice a day since my guy is chronically gassy. At the first sign of an upset tummy I go ahead and give extra simethicone and start belly rubs - better to be safe than sorry.

Hope Lola continues to improve. Post more pictures of her when you can, she is really a cutie! If you're able to, having SubQ fluids on hand at home to give is always a good thing. How many pounds is Lola? My boy is 3 lbs. and he gets 60cc of fluids when he's sick. Fluids help with hydration as well as gut motility.

User is Offline LittlePuffyTail
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11/13/2012 1:29 AM
Good luck at the vet!
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