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BINKYBUNNY FORUMS > BONDING > The Tale of Bunjamin Franklin (Photo Bomb)
Last Post by jerseygirl at 11/06/2012 4:47 PM (72 Replies)
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User is Offline FrankieFlash
Michigan
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10/21/2012 2:45 PM

Most of you know we got another bun, saved her from a humane society that was known for killing rabbits for no reason. We hoped she and Bunjamin would get along. We kept them in separate sides of the house until we could get all her medical test back and make sure she couldn't give Bunjamin anything (she was found outside).

Well we've tried two short dates after we got the medical clear. In neutral territory or course. With me and my bf in the pen with them (I'm a nervous momma). We're trying to go slow at this.

Let's just say after this last one, I'm not sure either of them really wants a friend.

 The first session had positive signs where it look like she was grooming him but once in a while he would jump back and we assumed she nipped to hard. He did hump her on the first and second session. The first time we let it happen but tonight (second session) she seemed to not want it (plus he kept trying to hump her face and we worried somebun was going to get hurt). When we'd separate him I had him up against my leg and he stayed there for a while teeth chattering pretty loud.

He marked the neutral territory both times. The second time being way worse (when the 15-20 mins were over there was at least 50 poops. And he peed in the hay box and sprayed which is super unlike him. I'm really doubting that he wants a friend right now.

I bawled my eyes out after trying to take him back to his room he made a suicide jump from about 2 feet and landed on my dad's treadmill. I feel horrible, I don't think he's injured because he is acting fine (as he's throwing around a box right now) but he could've easily been injured. He's not great for being held but he's never been that bad. It was like trying to hold a stick of butter. And I know how to hold rabbits properly that was just an analogy. OH and he made a really strange noise when we were on way back to his room.

Her reactions to him are simple. She bows for pets and does that fake grooming thing. She tolerates humping, once and a while runs away. But she seems more interested in getting out of the pen. I think she is afraid of Bunjamin.

I'm not sure I'm going to continue with bonding but if I decide to I need all the advice I can get.
 


User is Offline tanlover14
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10/21/2012 2:55 PM
Aww, I am so sorry it's been a plop of a time with them! Did you think of doing smaller bonding sessions and possibly getting yourself out of the neutral territory or hiding yourself behind a barrier. My girl was a total brat with our boy until I finally just removed myself from the situation and BAM -- some dominance battles and after another session they were doing pretty good!

I wouldn't give up yet! Whether they like each other or not there's going to be a MILLION poops. I swear, my floor looked like a barn yard for like a month after bonding ended.

I would definitely smaller, more simple situations with them. Or possibly stress to help them get a little closer.
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User is Offline FrankieFlash
Michigan
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10/21/2012 3:04 PM
I've wondered about that but I worry there would be a fight without someone in there at least. Good to know the poop thing isn't a horrible sign. It's just hard to see a litter trained bun have such horrible habits. And he was laying the really smelly ones out tonight. Almost gassed us out. lol

We've been keeping it simple. Just the buns and some hay. We did do the smushed banana thing but I didn't smush it well enough because Bunjamin sneaked it off her head and somehow his ended up under her chin :/

User is Offline peppypoo
Texas
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10/21/2012 9:27 PM
Especially since you have your boyfriend to help you out, I think stress testing would be a good idea. Go for a car ride perhaps? One person can drive while the other one plays bunny referee to break up fights.

Also, I'm not sure how your living area is arranged but once the girly bun has a clean bill of health, maybe you could set them up in pens/condos next to each other in a neutral territory, so they can spend some time getting used to each other.

I really hope it works out...they both are so adorable!
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User is Offline Monkeybun
Hillsboro, Oregon
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10/22/2012 3:43 AM
It doesn't sounds too bad to me so far. Don't give up yet

User is Offline Sarita
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10/22/2012 4:40 AM
Don't give in so quick. I think this is normal behavior for both rabbits - keep trying.

User is Offline FrankieFlash
Michigan
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10/22/2012 5:11 AM
thanks so far for all the encouragement. We kinda split the house down the middle with my dad. We are currently using one of my dad's living rooms to house sweets since bunjamin runs our whole half of the house. I could set him up in xpen when I'm home today next to her condo and see how that goes (but it's kinda her territory?) but if we move her condo into his room (which there is room for) it's not coming back out lol. Plus it's not neutral since it's bunji's room. We spoiled him bad lol. I don't think we have a completely neutral space big enough for two condo's or two pens. Just one pen. :/ (OH and she got clean bill of health-yay!)

I figured out what the noise bunjamin made and he honked at me! I've never heard really a peep out of him but he did not like being transported last night.

we could definitely try stress bonding. How long do you do the car ride for though?

User is Offline Monkeybun
Hillsboro, Oregon
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10/22/2012 6:27 AM
Do either of them go into a bathroom? That and the kitchen are what I use for neutral territory. No bunny likes stepping on the evil lava floor

User is Offline FrankieFlash
Michigan
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10/22/2012 8:02 AM
Bunjamin actually frequents our bathroom lol. But he's gotten used to lava floors since half our half of the house is hardwood floors. Of course with rugs like stepping stones. And my dad's bathroom is super tiny. Actually they are all. I miss our old place just thinking about this.

But I thought about the kitchen. It's just small. I'm going to ask my dad if he'll let me re-arrange one of his living rooms for a month or so to try to build two pen areas. The condo's aren't really easy to move.

User is Offline FrankieFlash
Michigan
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10/22/2012 8:03 AM
Or did you mean bathrooms for bonding session? I totally thought you meant put condos in there lol duh!

User is Offline Monkeybun
Hillsboro, Oregon
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10/22/2012 8:39 AM
No, bonding sessions It does have to be neutral for them though.

User is Offline FrankieFlash
Michigan
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10/22/2012 11:07 AM
Okay so maybe my dad's bathroom would work. Neither of them have been there before. And then I could sit with them but not be super close.

User is Offline Skipper's Mama
Florida
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10/22/2012 12:36 PM
You can do it FF don't give up! =]

User is Offline FrankieFlash
Michigan
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10/22/2012 6:58 PM
So today's session in my dad's bathroom went alright. They ate their piece of apple an inch apart with no issues. She tolerated the humping that inevitably occured and he let me stop him from chasing her when she had enough where as yesterday he was crazy. And they cuddled right next to each other as long as I pet them.

I made a spontaneous decision to put an xpen next to her condo on a scrap piece of carpet we had and put some of Bunjamin's stuff and him in it. So they are getting to know each other. I'm sleeping with them- in a chair on the other side of the room of course! I didn't know if I should seperate them when it's going well them being close but not able to really do more than nose touch. Bunjamin still is super marking boy but if I sweep them up, he puts less back down. He also chinned his litter box. Silly boy.

Our next plan is to clean his room to make it slightly more neutral and put her condo in there and have them both have condos in there next to each other and each will get designated out time. Hopefully this is the right move. We also heard that switching condos every day or two helps them get used to each other's smell. So we thought a day or so after we move her condo we'll start doing that.

User is Offline Monkeybun
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10/22/2012 7:09 PM
Sounds good so far Switching pens definitely helped with my girls, and with my boys even though i did have to stop the boys sessions due to other issues not related tot hem at all... So good idea on that

User is Offline LittlePuffyTail
New Brunswick, Canada
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10/23/2012 1:26 AM
Keep at it!!! Not all bondings are fairy tales. It took a long time for Bindi and Stormy to not want to kill each other. Patience and persistence!
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User is Offline FrankieFlash
Michigan
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10/23/2012 4:40 AM
Thank you guys for the encouragement. Last night Bunjamin was super silly in the pen next to sweets. He was doing binkies galore! I thought he might be trying to show off for the lady But I don't think he's rested while in the pen. Everytime I check he's awake, not even loafed. We think we might give him back his room during the afternoon so he can actually sleep. He gets cranky with no sleep I just hate to break them up since they've adjusted to each other. Although this morning they are both hiding in their huts. haha

User is Offline Skipper's Mama
Florida
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10/23/2012 7:44 AM
Glad things are going better! =]

User is Offline FrankieFlash
Michigan
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10/23/2012 2:23 PM

From last nights pellet time I think that's pretty good right? (But notice all the poos. There's double that now. lol


User is Offline tanlover14
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10/23/2012 2:28 PM
Hahahaha, all that marking! I know how it is! Try three buns doing it everywhere. Oy vey! I'm glad to hear everything with them is going slowly but better!
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