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BINKYBUNNY FORUMS > RESCUE EFFORTS FOR SHELTERS > Our new little bunnies... (Kafrn and JG)
Last Post by jerseygirl at 6/02/2012 7:55 AM (60 Replies)
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User is Offline Kafrn
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1/31/2012 5:28 PM

Hi everyone, I have been lurking on the forums but havent posted for awhile so I thought we could give you an update on whats been happening around South Australia  

So a few months ago a man came into my shop and told me that he had 6 bunnies from an accidental litter that needed homes. I had a few personal issues with the local shelther around that time, and said that I could take them in and rehome them, and we talked about desexing his rabbits etc (2 of them were already done)... So they came home with me.

Finding good homes for them was really hard! We had heaps of people enquire, but I was so paranoid about them going in someones backyard in a hutch... and being forgotten... but finally everything went fantastic, and they all found good indoor homes in same sex pairs with people who desexed them etc... A happy ending.

The same man came into the shop again the other day and told us he had more litters. All of his males were now desexed so we werent sure how. There were 9 in the first litter, 5 in the second, and 6 in the third. They were all 4 weeks apart.

JerseyGirl and I went to have a look one night, and sexed all the 8 week old babies. There are 8 in the first litter to be rehomed.

The next day he came in to see me and told me that some of the babies that were 6 or 7 days old were dying, and one wasnt looking well at all!  I wanted to go and have a look that night but he was working. The following morning I went around there but unfortunately it had passed away. We were too late. We looked at the rest of the ones in the litter and 3 of them looked fat and healthy, but 2 looked really skinny and wrinkly. We tried to catch mum but all the adult bunnies were hiding in burrows and really stressed.

I ended up taking these 2 little ones home to bottle feed. One had diarrhea, but was still a bit thirsty, and the other one sucks from the syringe really well. They were both bright and happy last night but unfortunately when JerseyGirl came to visit this morning we were sad to find that we had lost one.

Jersey and I went to pick up the 8 week olds, as they are fostering at her place until they find homes.... (JG has 12 bunnies )

When we got there the man told us that another tiny baby had died overnight and the remaining 2 looked really bad.

There were 2 left, a little black otter and a little fawn one.

Mum obviously wasnt feeding because these 2 looked so malnourished. We brought them back to my work and gave them some milk. Little Otter one (Koo-Koo-Kachoo) passed away within 20 minutes, but the other one is doing really well so far...

So now we have 2 little babies that are about 7 days old. JG and I think they look younger, but its hard to say. Im milk feeding them every few hours as they are so thirsty. One had diarrhea but it seems better this afternoon... and JG has just taken her 8 little babies home...

We tried sexing the rabbits that were at the mans house this morning to see who the male is thats not fixed but we cant find him! There are 2 more pregnant females there, he says he only has 5 rabbits that are adult but that kind of doesnt add up. We found three females, two of them are pregnant AGAIN, and 2 males.... neither of them seem to have "Boy bits" .... I know he had 2 desexed.... we cant work out how they are getting pregnant! The bunnies had used the same nest for 3 litters, and it smells really really bad, like a decomposing smell, so hopefully if he cleans it out the  next 2 litters could be raised by mum, but its got us really confused as to how they are getting pregnant  

 

 

The one on the left is doing really well today, JG named her Earl, and the one on the right is Chance, unfortunately he passed away this morning.

 

 

This is Earl, after giving her a syringe of her milk.

 

 

Here are the 2 little bunnies that are thriving this afternoon. JG has named them for me because I was worried about getting attached, they are touch-and-go at the moment, but they are doing well today and with some healing vibes we are keeping our fingers crossed.

Pekoe and Earlie are their names. Pekoe is slighly more orange than little Earlie. Im off to give another feed to them now, but I think JG has some great pictures to share too   And of the 8 week olds too.

 

 

 

What weighs 35 tonnes, has four fuzzy ears and is 80 million years old? Two rabbits riding a brontosaurus.

User is Offline jerseygirl
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1/31/2012 6:46 PM
Yes... We're up to our eyeballs with rabbits here.
It's amazing how quickly the numbers can escalate when rabbits are left intact.

I'll add some pics later if that's ok re forum rules. Right now though just want to request some BB power vibes for these 2 please.

User is Offline Kafrn
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1/31/2012 7:12 PM
Just had another feed. They are taking about 2mls each feed, and are feeding during daylight hours every 2 hours at the moment. Just to keep them hydrated and keep their tummies going. I know that mum would only feed once every 24 hours, but our milk is not as rich so I am feeding more regularly. Plus we are only feeding when they are searching for milk. They are now pooing normally again so the wombaroo milk must be doing them good. THey love their wheat bag and snuggle right into it to stay warm.
What weighs 35 tonnes, has four fuzzy ears and is 80 million years old? Two rabbits riding a brontosaurus.

User is Offline Roberta
Wanneroo, Western Australia
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1/31/2012 8:07 PM
Is there possibly another burrow really close to the fence line thats hidden or access where a neighbour or even wild bun could get in ?
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User is Offline Kafrn
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1/31/2012 8:28 PM
We had considered that but the man said that there was wire underneath the whole thing so nobunny could get out... Also the adults are VERY skittish and run for cover in their burrows when we go in there... We thought if there was an exit outside the fence they would have taken it?
Also, another rabbit went to stay with them over christmas, but apparently was kept seperate... which could be untrue... but it would have had to have been there 3 months to impregnante the does 3 times...
Actually JG and I think that 2 more of the other females there are close to dropping litters now too, so its a bit of a disaster...... the females are so stressed at the moment though that they might not have the babies... I dont know...
What weighs 35 tonnes, has four fuzzy ears and is 80 million years old? Two rabbits riding a brontosaurus.

User is Offline Monkeybun
Hillsboro, Oregon
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1/31/2012 9:32 PM
yeah, thats odd. Maybe he missed one of them getting neutered.

User is Offline MimzMum
Interior Alaska
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2/01/2012 12:30 AM
These poor creatures. I would guess maybe there's a male hiding from a previous litter that's doing the dirty work here, or this guy's just not being straight with you. Is he some kind of animal hoarder or something? He's surely not breeding for money?

Poor little peanuts. Lots of loving, thriving vibes coming from the other pole for them. And thank God for you both, these babies would have no chance without you! ((((((Hugs))))))))
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User is Offline LittlePuffyTail
New Brunswick, Canada
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2/01/2012 1:41 AM
They are so cute! I sure wish I was closer (you know, and not half way around the world) so I could help you with those little angels! You guys are so wonderful to take them in!

Such an awful situation but such adorable little babies! There is nothing in the world more precious. Keep the picture and updates coming please!
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User is Offline Beka27
Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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2/01/2012 1:51 AM
This is unbelievable. I commend you guys for taking them in and trying to help, but at what point is enough enough? He's going to keep doing this (IF it's intentional) as long as there are people to "bail him out". The females need to be spayed, both for their long-term health, and obviously just neutering males isn't cutting it.
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User is Offline jerseygirl
Australia
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2/01/2012 2:06 AM

At the risk of sounding pedantic....I want to say to anyone reading this that is thinking of breeding their rabbits - Please. Dont.  Or is you have an entire Buck and Doe together, separate them now.  It is so heartbreaking seeing these ones fighting for life and burying those that have gone.  Both of us have already fretted a lot wondering about the sort of homes the fosters will go to. It's a lot of rabbits and this just from one home! We just have to hope there are plenty of good people that will do the right thing by these buns and give them a great life. 

I am trying to give this family the benefit of the doubt... They have tried to prevent this and gotten some males desexed after last years litters. I think they have maybe mis-gendered one though as a female when it's actually a male. They have been open about allowing us back and we plan to get all adult buns aside and sort this out.  *Sigh*

MM, interesting you used the term "peanut". We were just talking tonight whether some of them have been peanuts. The mortality rate has been high.

The older buns, the fosters; have fed themselves well and settled into a bunny sleep puddle tonight.  I havent got decent pics of them as yet.


User is Offline jerseygirl
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2/01/2012 2:13 AM

Sorry Beka, I hadnt seen your post yet.

We were able to bring up desexing the females the other day but there are a lot. I don't hold out much hope of that happening unfortunately. They've been open to our suggestion and would get any intact males (if we find one!) desexed and now know to keep a desexed male separated directly after neuter. They are saying its been unintentional but we can't say we're getting to full story... Maybe we'll know when we next visit and sort out the adult rabbit situation.

The ones previously taken and one currently in my care all seem very healthy. Also, the rabbits at the house appear this way too. But I think health of the possible litters to come (we're not certain) will not be great. So absolutely, this needs to be sorted out.


User is Offline RabbitPam
South Florida
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2/01/2012 2:23 AM
OMG, you guys. I don't like this man one bit. He's not being straight with you, and I think someone more "formal" needs to be involved. He obviously can't correctly sex his bunnies, I suspect there wasn't the neutering he claimed (does he even have the money for all of them to have been done?) and you are his new dumping ground. Have you talked to the local shelter to ask if they know him? He may have a history and have been rejected by others already. You guys just cannot handle this quantity of breeding, and it is breeding, not 1/2 dozen "happy accidents-oops" litters. He has to stop, and you can't enable.

That said, you have sick and dying babies on your hands and that's too tragic. The two pictured (come on, you guys, you know the rules) are doing better thanks to you. I think the pregnant does of his need to be removed and taken to a shelter where they will have their litters under supervised conditions and they will be raised and rehomed if they survive. Personal issues aside, you are NOT a shelter, and they have the responsibility of tending to these bunnies' care and dealing with him if he is either breeding (if so, he's on his own and need to comply with legal requirements of that) or hoarding or just plain dumb. He's in over his head. Now you both will be in over your heads in about a week. Don't do it.

Get more help and extricate yourselves from him. Please.
Meanwhile, little guardian angels, the two you pictured are getting {{{{{{{{{{{Healing Vibes}}}}}}}} from me. The does need them too, and they all need to be examined by vets. This guy is bogus.
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User is Offline jerseygirl
Australia
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2/01/2012 2:41 AM

Thanks for the advice. There is SO much more re shelter situation that I cannot go into on the boards here. We may be able to talk with our RSPCA.  We are currently putting together a foster network though so we're not alone in this or be inundated. I personally am a very temporary fosterer. I just don't think I'm cut out for more then that.

This guy did get a couple neutered. We've seen that as we caught a few and checked. Still, obviously there is one intact male unaccounted for!

*I'll remove the pics I added. Sorry, I wasn't sure it not being our own rabbits.


User is Offline RabbitPam
South Florida
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2/01/2012 2:53 AM
Hi, I think the RSPCA is a great idea, and it might be possible to talk to them about the shelter issues as well. Maybe they can help there, too.
Thanks for removing your pix. I vote for the 3 above to stay, as long as no more new ones. (Actually, the one you posted where the 2 look so much healthier was a relief to see, so maybe put it back? At least until BB slaps my wrist for saying so.)

Only takes 2 intact buns, like on the ark.
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User is Offline Beka27
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2/01/2012 3:25 AM
How many adult rabbits are there? My suggestion would be to catch each one, put it into an individual carrier or transport box, and take it to the vet for a complete exam, a double-check of sex, and to make sure IF male, he is neutered. Once neutered, I think an ear tattoo or something identifying the rabbit would be a good idea in this case. Would the guy be open to at least spaying the pregnant rabbits, or better yet, surrendering all of the females and just keeping the intact males?
Meadow..... Photobucket ...... Max, my angel bunny

User is Offline Elrohwen
Hudson Valley, NY
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2/01/2012 3:36 AM
Wow, this whole situation is so horrible. I'm with Pam on this - I think the guy is bogus and he sounds like a hoarder or an idiot. I commend you guys for taking in the little buns, but I would really try to separate yourselves from him. He needs to learn responsibility for his actions, though I can only imagine how hard it is to walk away when you feel like you're doing good for the rabbits.
- Elrohwen

User is Offline jerseygirl
Australia
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2/01/2012 3:39 AM

I believe there is 5 currently. Though, as Kafrn said, something is not adding up. Hopefully with another visit, we'll have a clearer picture. He didn't sell or receive money for the previous rabbits nor has asked for money for these ones. We are looking to home the older kits to people that are prepared to desex and if going in pairs, to go in same sex pairs. Attempting to stop the cycle.
We have discussed about helping arrange for further desexings of the adult rabbits they have now.


User is Offline jerseygirl
Australia
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2/01/2012 3:43 AM
Ugh. Maybe we have been too trusting? He just doesn't strike me as that way.

User is Offline RabbitPam
South Florida
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2/01/2012 3:45 AM
I'm sure I don't need to say this, but..... if he mentions money, as in asking you guys to pay for Anything, do not do it! If he can't afford to speuter them, he can't afford them and removal is his only choice. He sounds strange. (Don't tell him where you live...LOL)
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User is Offline Elrohwen
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2/01/2012 3:46 AM
You can only trust your gut in this situation and if you guys think he's genuine then you have to go with that feeling. From an outside perspective it really doesn't add up that he could be that clueless, but maybe he is. I think Beka's idea is the best - round up all of the rabbits and put them in carriers to really see what you have and get them looked over by a vet. If there's no way to get the pregnant females spayed they could at least be separated from the group so they can have their babies in peace and have a chance to care for them without immediately getting pregnant again or having other rabbits harass them.
- Elrohwen
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