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Forum THE LOUNGE PAC’s & PVC’s (NBR)

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    • MimzMum
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        So this week has been a nightmare for me. I’ve had a lot of medical issues all year long going on with the bunnies, cats and dog…plus my daughter’s extraction (luckily it went very well and she’s recuperating nicely…been a week or more now…she didn’t have IV and did beautifully on just the N/O)…so after a month of having vertigo myself, I got fed up and went in to have my head adjusted…so to speak. lolz

        The nurse practioner at my ongolocists’ office did what is called an Epley maneuver. They pull you backwards from a sitting position to about 45 dgrees towards whatever side you’re most affected by the dizziness on (for me it was my left), then they throw you forward in the opposite direction to shunt the otoliths (literally: rocks in your head-they are crystals in your ear that help with balance and they get misplaced sometimes) back to their proper chambers. Well my back was already out and she pushed me forward so hard I thought I’d be falling right off the table. It was like getting whiplash in a car wreck. So I screamed involuntarily and then my head was whirling madly for a few seconds, though it seemed like minutes. I also heard my back crack in several places and my neck stitched up. Once I was not spinning any longer I was sat up and she did a few more motions to see if I was having any more vertigo. It had stopped, but now my back and neck were killing me. It did seem as though the vertigo was gone though.

        So hub and me went to get lunch and do some grocery shopping. I felt pretty much fine the rest of the day but for my back/neck hurting. This is typical for me though, so I didn’t think anymore about it. I had some mild spins at bedtime, but nothing like what I’d experienced for the last 3-4 weeks. I was able to turn in bed without feeling like I was on a mad carousel.

        The next day I got up to clean bunnies and take Jenna for her walk and that’s when it hit. At 11:30 AM I began having premature heartbeats. I usually have these when I’m at rest or have drunk too much coffee, but instead of fading off like they usually do after two or three of them, they just kept coming and began to get worse the farther I walked. Panicked now, I turned Jenna around and hobbled as fast as I could back home, praying I wouldn’t collapse before I got there.

        When I got back in the house, I calmed a little, thinking, Okay, I’m inside, nothing more to worry about…but instead of being able to relax, the irregular beats kept going, to the point where I told my daughter I wondered if I should go to hospital. Hubby was not here, so I had no one to drive me and wasn’t entirely sure we still had ambulance service out here in the boonies.

        I tried just sitting still and breathing normally and relaxing, but it was no good. These odd beats just kept going on. It’s a completely random rhythm; beat-beat-beat…pause…big beat…pause…beat-beat…and so on. And the longer it went on, the more I would feel weak and strangely-as if I weren’t really here. But I didn’t want to dial 911 in case it was just one of my old panic attacks hitting. I took some aspirin (had to hunt for it for an hour, so if I was having an attack I was doing well for someone in cardiac arrest) and just tried to settle down until my hubby came home.

        About the time I was ready to pack it in, he showed up. He asked if I felt I needed to go in to town, but I said I wasn’t sure since I had no real chest pain to speak of, just the weird fluttering heartbeat. He felt my pulse and agreed it was off, I wasn’t just imagining it, so brought out his home BP device. We took my pressure/pulse all day that day and it was reading low end normal.

        You may wonder why I didn’t just go to the ER. Well we have no insurance and I had no classic heart attack symptoms and didn’t want to go in and have them just brush me off as a mental case. We just kept hoping it would stop. Plus I was doing research and found there is this nerve that runs the length of your body that goes through the neck and cervical vertabrae. It’s called a vagus nerve. It is in control of things like heartbeat and hearing and bladder, etc. I began to figure that while doing this Epley maneuver, the nurse had so completely shocked my system that the heartbeat was a result. Even so, I told the hubby to check on me overnight to be sure I was still breathing.

        By morning I was so uncomfortable; the odd heartbeat had stopped a few hours after I went to bed because I did what they tell you not to do after an Epley, put my head flat on the bed without support. My vertigo came back with a vengence, but something in my neck or back finally let loose and the odd rhythm stopped after a few hours and didn’t return. However, I felt weak and faint and didn’t know if that was something worse going on, so we went in to my oncology office to see if the doc there would refer me somewhere, thus avoiding a full on ER charge in case it was nothing. They are doors down from the ER, so I was right there in case it got serious.

        They very kindly agreed to squeeze me in and took an ECG and one of the more knowledgable nurses (not the one who did the Epley) took a good look in my ears and eyes and said she could see some crystals in my left ear. My ECG strips came out completely normal, my BP was up to a decent level (perhaps our cuff on our machine isn’t the right size) and they gave me some scripts to help with the resurgence of vertigo and a referral to an ENT specialist. Just knowing the heart was doing what it should be (of course I didn’t have an odd beat until a few minutes AFTER the ECG) gave me some comfort, but it also reminded me that, when your number’s up, it’s up. No amount of brilliant doctoring is going to bring you back from the edge if that’s where you’re meant to be. It was sobering and made me think about what would happne to the bunnies and the cats and dog if I weren’t there for any reason. Jenna herself would’ve probably stopped eating had I been admitted, or worse, not come back at all. I don’t want to know how the kids would react…probably begin fighting over who gets what immediately.

        Sooo…just curious to know if anyone else suffers from these ‘ectopic heartbeats’, which are often called PVC’s or PAC’s, and what you do for it, besides eliminating sugar and caffeine (WHAT? No more COFFEE? Seriously??) I think, and so does the doctor, that the irregular beats were directly a result of the previous day’s Epley maneuver, and that perhaps we don’t want to try that again, but will have to find a different route to eliminate the vertigo, which is now back in spades…hence the appointment with the ear/nose/throat guy. It’s very frustrating because, although my tumor markers are not elevated, one of the things that can cause this problem is a tumor in the inner ear. (I’ve not had a blow to the head (unless the hubby is beating me with a bat while I’m asleep) nor do I have a virus-certainly not one that would last a month and go away for a day after physical therapy.) So it’s hard not to let my thoughts wander that way. In fact they say that Epley is contraindicated in cases of inner ear tumor, it does more harm than good. Yikes.

        My heart and energy level are still not up to snuff, but hey, when you think you’re about to die and you’re mentally making your will for a whole day, it takes a good deal out of you.

        Also, does anyone here have persistent positional vertigo and if so, what do you do for it? It sure makes things like clipping bunny toenails a new experience.

        I almost have to do it like this….

         

         


      • TaraMichele
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           Im actually a paramedic, and pvcs are extremely common, many people have them everyday and never realize it.  It becomes a concern when someone suffers from bigeminy or trigeminy which is when these irregular beats occur every other or sequential,  if they occur 4 or more in a row its actually called ventricular tachycardia which is extremely dangerous.  Im actually curious, from the symptoms you described it made me initially think you could be in atrial fibrillation with rapid ventricular response (basically the top and bottom of the heart are beating out of sync and its causes what appears as a rapid irregular heart beat) but with this most people feel a fluttering feeling, dizziness and some shortness of breath.  

           
          I could go on and on but if you have any questions Im pretty well versed in this stuff  and I hope you feel better!!


        • Monkeybun
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            Oh my! I don’t have anything helpful to add, but I have to say I hope you feel better! We need our MM to stick around for many years to come

            *hugs and get well vibes!*


          • jerseygirl
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              Geez MM.

              I hope you can get to the bottom of this.
               

              so I had no one to drive me and wasn’t entirely sure we still had ambulance service out here in the boonies.

              Surely there would be? Either way, please make a contingency plan. Sorry if that comes across patronising. I don’t mean to be, just want to know you’d be okay and not feel isolated where you are. 

              {{{{{Healing Vibes}}}}}


            • MimzMum
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                Thanks Tara! Yeah, I was seriously worried about it all, but as you said, I didn’t really have shortness of breath (I was up and down on a chair over my refrigerator looking for aspirin for at least an hour after it started and still did physical stuff all day that day) and well, I’ve lived with some semblance of dizziness for the last month or so, I’m not sure I would be able to distinguish it from dizziness due to heart trouble.
                They did take the ECG the next day. They didn’t see anything untoward. If it were AFib, it should’ve shown up the next day as well, right? Or some sign of the Pwave not registering right?

                When I get the single or doubled irregular heartbeats I sometimes have a gasp for breath simply because it startles me and I think it feels like a big goldfish flopping in my chest, but for the most part it passes without problems. But this was all day, several times a minute and it was driving me crazy trying to figure out, “Is it a serious cardiac event, or isn’t it??” We live 30 miles outside of town, so I didn’t really want to fiddle with it. But I didn’t go in till the next day when I started feeling faint right after getting out of bed.

                I know, it was stupid not to go in the day it was happening. To think, I had all day for them to actually document it on paper! It is kind of odd how it just stopped once I set myself in a position that my back released whatever nerve it was pinching though. I guess I should start thinking about having some tests done on my heart, I’m in my late forties and ‘at that age,’ I suppose. >.< There's no history of heart trouble in my family, but my maternal grandfather and great grandmother on that side of the family both had hypertension. I seem to be in the opposite direction though, my heart seems to beat too slow and my pressure is usually lower.


              • MimzMum
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                  Thanks Jerz and MB! Yeah, I know, I need to be sure we can get in during an emergency. Odd, since it’s always been the hubby who frequents the ER, not me. I think he’s got his own monogrammed cup and chair there! lol….


                • TaraMichele
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                     actually it can be pretty undetectable if a person is going in and out of a-fib, Ive had pts I was transporting go from a completely normal rhythm into a rapid a-fib and back and not even realize it….Ive actually had a lot of these pts lately lol one on Friday night.  but its something you do have to watch for, especially i you have fluctuation in you blood pressure…I would keep monitoring your pulse even when it feels normal  I hope any of this was helpful  Usually getting rest and de-stressing a bit can work wonders!!


                  • Kate Monster
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                      Sheesh, what a scary day! I know my mom has the same issue with vertigo and the crystals. She likes to tell me that she has rocks in her head. Next time I talk to her I’ll have to ask what they ended up doing for it. And if it was something other than the Epley maneuver I’ll let you know.


                    • MimzMum
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                        Posted By TaraMichele on 08/01/2011 05:10 AM

                         actually it can be pretty undetectable if a person is going in and out of a-fib, Ive had pts I was transporting go from a completely normal rhythm into a rapid a-fib and back and not even realize it….Ive actually had a lot of these pts lately lol one on Friday night.  but its something you do have to watch for, especially i you have fluctuation in you blood pressure…I would keep monitoring your pulse even when it feels normal  I hope any of this was helpful  Usually getting rest and de-stressing a bit can work wonders!!

                         

                         

                                           Oh dear. I’m afraid this doesn’t inspire confidence in that ECG I just had. I was hoping that was the end of this.

                                           De-stressing will be a challenge, between all the problems I have with either bunnies, dog or cats and then don’t even get me started on my kids. Son is coming home from college, permanently it would appear, and this is not going to make things ‘calm’ around here.

                         

                                            So if I have A-fib, it never goes away for good? Is there anything you’d recommend me having done immediately to diagnose it properly?


                      • TaraMichele
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                           well many people will wear a holster monitor to document it, and many times doctors will prescribe a medication called cardizem also known as diltiazem to keep it under control on a daily basis.  Its kind of one of those things thats difficult to diagnose without catching it on the monitor….


                        • MimzMum
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                            I think unless my doctor gives me a referral to a cardiologist, that’s unlikely to happen though. You can’t just go into a doctor’s office and ask for one of those, can you?


                          • MimzMum
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                              LOL..so when I refreshed this page, guess which advert came up atop? The one about Dr. Crandall’s heart attack risk test… 0_o;
                              I think it’s a sign. >_<


                            • TaraMichele
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                                lol that is random! no usually a cardiologist would give it, so a referral would be necessary…have you had that feeling anymore?


                              • MimzMum
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                                  I still get the odd ones, just like I used to, but it hasn’t been all day like it was last week. I still feel kind of tired most mornings, but I’m guessing it’s because I’m cutting out all my caffeine. Otherwise I’m feeling pretty good, thank you for asking.


                                • jerseygirl
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                                    Oh, those google ads aren’t random! It’s kinda spooky but I’ve noticed several times it relates to topics on the forums. I think the “system” can pick up on key words and runs related ads.

                                    MM, I’m wondering if this (dizziness, blood pressure, heart rhythms) could all still be related to a virus or be post-viral? Didn’t your daughter and husband have the vertigo also for a short time?


                                  • Lintini
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                                      MIMZ !!!! Good grief I am stressed out now for you! I hope you feel better soon I have nothing useful to add except some vibes and bunny kisses!


                                    • Arthur'sMom
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                                        MM,
                                        If you are going in and out of Afib, it may not show up on an EKG. I think a holter monitor is your best bet if you can get a referral to a cardiologist. If not Afib (or anything else serious) sometimes it can be something as simple as nixing the caffiene, trying to stay stress free and making sure you stay plenty hydrated. Dehydration can do a number on a persons heart. Oh and did your doc do any bloodwork? Like any thyroid tests, Postassium?

                                        Unfortunately if it is Afib, it will be with you for your life but can be controlled. I myself, have a bigeminy (which is common in young children but they tend to out grow it) and would some how end up tachycardic (into the 130s without even feeling it). I ended up at the cardiologist and now I am on Lopressor and no issues since—unless I drink too much coffee. I still drink it but I TRY to do decaf and I limit myself to two cups a day.


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                                          @Jerz Yeah, I think I finally realized that…the ads are programmed to poke us for what we’re talking about…spoooooky. 0_o; lol Big Brother has come to BB! *shudders*
                                          I had thought the daughter and hubby had been feeling ill, but I really think he was just saying it to make me feel better. He knew I was wandering into the ‘oh no, it’s a tumor’ territory, mentally. He always tries to head me off at the pass on those trains of thought. I don’t think it’s that he doesn’t want me worrying per se…it’s that HE doesn’t want to think about it.

                                          No worries, Lin. I’ll be okay. I couldn’t hold back any longer and ate some dark chocolate raisinets today and BOOM…there’s the ectopic beats again. AHA! (Unfortunately, now I can’t stop eating them…nomnomnom…)

                                          Arthur’s Mom…Thank you for this information. I know I have suffered from occasional premature heartbeats since I was in my 20’s at least. I’ve pretty much always had some form of anxiety disorder. Believe me, I’ve spent a lot of nights up on my feet for hours, pacing, with my heart rate going a mile a minute during particularly bad episodes of panic. When my heart takes off running, I know it. There’s no doubt.

                                          I think it may be linked to rising hormone levels during early puberty and the teen years. Although I was a very calm bean during my pregnancies. Afterwards I became a wreck again. And now that I’ve gone through the change, the panic attacks don’t hit as often. After suffering from it all my life, I’m finally to the point where it doesn’t affect me as bad as it used to, hence why the all day skipped beats was a little alarming. Haven’t ever had that before, and haven’t had it since, so far. *knock wood*

                                          I’ll have to find some way to get referred. Not sure how to do that without having another episode of skipped beats all day…which I’d really rather not. 0_o;


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                                            So I asked my mom today about how they dealt with the rocks in her brain and she said that she actually saw a physical therapist, who used a manuever that sounds like it accomplishes the same thing, but with less trauma, basically by just manually swinging her head for her (no contraptions involved), and they gave her some exercises to do at home and she said the exercises were really very effective, you might be able to do a search and find them online.

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