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Last Post 04/07/2010 08:20 AM by TARM. 75 Replies.
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Petzy 
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| 03/31/2010 11:36 AM |
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What was the fight like? Describe. What did it take to break it up? |
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"what happened?
did something happen or can I just go back to my hay?" |
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CottonTiger 
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| 03/31/2010 11:50 AM |
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There was a lot of furr flying. It was actually a real fight. Right before we could seperate them, Tiger was on his side and kicking. Cotton also. I checked them afterward, and there are no injuries. It was only a few seconds, but we had to physically part them. I took Cotton while my mother took Tiger and they were still trying to go at each other.
As soon as we had them calmed down, Tiger jumped over her and then Cotton seemed to try to ride him. At that point he started circling but we broke it up. Well, at least the were peaceful for a few hours.
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Petzy 
Forum Leader Northern AB Canada
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| 03/31/2010 11:56 AM |
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Too early for the overnight. It often takes two attempts at moving them in together, no worries, next time might just be a charm! Separate them at bed time. |
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"what happened?
did something happen or can I just go back to my hay?" |
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CottonTiger 
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CottonTiger 
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| 04/01/2010 02:30 AM |
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Good morning,
we tried the pen this time in the frontroom same set up, with blankets. i planned to leave them all day until my daughter comes home. then we move the pen to her room.
The the first 30 min or so session did not go as good this morning. There was alot of aggressions.
Then they mostly lay next to each, eating together, and grooming each other. I watched them and it appears things are Ok unless cotton tries to ride Tiger, He would mostly try to get away, but if she was insistant he would go back after her, but now after almost 2 hrs in the pen. They just push each other for kisses, and grooming. and breif episodes of chasing, and circling, I stop the circling, again He mostly tries to get away. he hides in the litter box because she continually tries to ride his head, I try to stop that, I am afraid he will bite her parts.
It is a complete turn around from the other days she is being the aggressive one, only by trying to ride him. He seems to have mellowed some. Like i said mostly tries to get away from her advances. And he no longer nips. They look like they are getting along .but i still don't trust them to leave the side of the pen.
I wonder how it will go after we have them finally in the same cage. if they will be able to have playtime together, out of the cage, or pen they had normally have run of the whole house. I am still not sure when to try and introduce them back their condo.
till next time,
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Petzy 
Forum Leader Northern AB Canada
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| 04/01/2010 08:18 AM |
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You are right to stay with them, do not leave them unattended at this still volatile stage. It is too early to house them together, but keep up the sessions as much as you can. I would also now add a stuffed animal to them for Cotton to mount. Leave it overnight with Toger so it will have his scent on it. Sometimes a stuffed toy like that can take the edge off. Is the condo you are planning to move them in together neutral? Whose was it before? Is Cotton's mounting the only aggression for now? |
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"what happened?
did something happen or can I just go back to my hay?" |
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CottonTiger 
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| 04/01/2010 09:28 AM |
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Hello! I was able to grab a quick bite to eat or run quickly to the bathroom, with no episodes. They have been in the pen since i first wrote, this morning, it is now evening 6:30 and except for the first 30 min or so. there has been no other episodes. The pen has been in the front room, I don't know if it being in their room will change things. They have been grooming each other the whole time and THE ONLY AGGRESSIONS ARE COTTON riding him, she rides his head , he lets her, when he has had enough, or if I don't stop it, he will run away and hide in the litter box so she can't reach him. Since he is not biting I try to let her ride for a few seconds. Then push her away. They still push each other trying to get kisses, but no biting, or aggressions. there are no territorial problems with the litter box. It was also switched between the 2 cages. "She" has even been doing some Binkies in the pen. The condo that we want to put them in was both of theirs, before the broken bond. now they have been changing cages every night, She also has time in the condo every other night, and day. We thought we should wash everything in the condo with Vinegar? To eliminate ones smells. But we are concerned about the playtime they both have. they used to run all over the whole house, but especially in their room and hallway. I am worried about Territorial fights. Even if they do OK in the condo. I don't know if we should try an all night in the pen either. I feel like since they have done so well now for over 10 hours, it would still go overnight. But with all the previous problems, I makes us skeptical. I think it is apparent though That "She" is the boss again. And that" I" am the boss of them. because when I stand and grab the cloves they stop and look innocent like. "I am not doing anything". We used the stunt double before too, and it didn't effect anything, but maybe now it will! If it is even needed.
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Petzy 
Forum Leader Northern AB Canada
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| 04/01/2010 10:07 AM |
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I wouldn't worry about the free-range area, it should be fine at this point. The condo however I would not use until the two buns have cemented their bond in another area first. I say this because Cotton has had the condo to herself sometimes. She is the boss, so she may freak out at Tiger in the condo, even after you wash it. Let the condo stand empty for a month while they cement their bond in the pen. It all sounds good, the fact that Tiger takes off when he has had enough of her mounting is very good. You might try the overnight if you are a light sleeper  that way you will wake up iif they have a serious dispute. |
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"what happened?
did something happen or can I just go back to my hay?" |
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Monkeybun  Hillsboro, Oregon
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| 04/01/2010 01:21 PM |
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Petzy, reading this and thinking of M&M, I'm wondering if I should do an overnight with them. They're behaving quite well, except that Moose stole Monkey's treat last night which made her cranky... He doesn't chase her much anymore, and Monkey got close enough to groom him last night before scampering off. I'd of course be sleeping next to the pen with them  |
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Petzy 
Forum Leader Northern AB Canada
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| 04/01/2010 01:40 PM |
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Monkey, you won't get any farther with them than where you are unless you cement their bond by housing together. Once bonding rabbits share a defined living space they become family. If they don't turn on each other any longer, and it sounds like they are just thriving together, it is time for the 24 hr session. If it goes well, move them in together. |
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"what happened?
did something happen or can I just go back to my hay?" |
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Monkeybun  Hillsboro, Oregon
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| 04/01/2010 01:58 PM |
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Sounds good.. will wait til saturday, as I pack hay for the rescue saturday morning and I don't want to leave the hubby alone with 2 freshly room-mated buns  |
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CottonTiger 
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| 04/02/2010 03:29 AM |
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YES!!!! We have a breakthrough!!!!!!
Tiger and Cotton spent the night in the pen in their room. They were not soo happy about being confined to the pen, as they knew where they were. We had to weigh down the pen with bricks, to keep them from trying to get out. After moving them into the room, they still behaved as before in the front room, no change.
The night went very well, without any problems. Early this morning, as Cotton was gettting restless in the pen, she started riding him again. Tiger just kept running from her and they were quickly running in circles, but no fighting or aggression. I got up and made them stop as quick as possible.
As soon as it was light outside, it was very hard to keep them in the pen. So we decided to try something risky and put them in their condo. We cleand it with vinegar und put in new bedding. Then we fastened a new board, so they would have more room to lay down in. We made this condo ourselves, while they were still small. That was not that good of an idea, because they got a lot bigger than we expected them to. Especially him. He is the first male we have had and he is huge! He can no longer lay outstretched on the top or middle platform. He can lay down, but not to his full length. Who would have thought, he could get so long. He is about 22 inches (55cm), when he lays all stretched out. Is that normal for a dwarf rabbit?
The condo is 120 x 80 x 40 cm and the two platforms are 40 x 40 cm. On top they have another small extension of 40 cm x 20 cm (with a hole to get up the steps). It's a bit small, but they have time to run around the whole house daily.

My mother had Cotton and I had Tiger when we put them in the condo. We expected a fight or some sort of scuffle, but nothing happened. They started smelling the new platform (board) and then went to their normal snuggle corner. There have been no incidents, no fighting, no pushing, no nothing, except snuggling and grooming.

Their bond seems to be reestablished. We hope that the day goes as it has started. Now are next challenge will be the first run of the house together. We hope this goes okay too but are optimisitic.

The whole bonding process took us about 5 weeks, which seemed a lot longer.
But we finally have two happy bunnies again. Tiger (orange) was always the type to get a little depressed, when he was alone while I am gone for the weekend even though my mother was always there to take care of them.
Thanks for the help and have a happy bunny day!
*happy bunny parents*
PS: I couldn't upload the video.
I have a very strange bonding story, which I would like to share.
We got Tiger and Cotton from a breeder. The woman had two female bunnies (Tiger and Cottons Mommy and one other) in one pen (they were not sisters). Both bunnies had a litter of babies at the same time, in the same nest and would share the nursing of all babies. Tiger was very smart and decided to drink milk from both mommies, so he had always been the biggest of his litter. We thought this was so amazing, that two unaltered females, even with babies, got along so well. At no point did the breeder have to seperate the mothers. This shows us, that in some very rare occasions even females can bind a friendship.
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CottonTiger 
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| 04/02/2010 11:05 AM |
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Hello again.
It is now 8:00 in the evening here. and Cotton and tiger have been together in their condo for over 12 hrs. No problems
only Cotton riding tiger (once in awhile) I guess just reminding him she is boss. And he runs away when he has has enough, They even had free run of their room, all went well, They played together, in their cardboard castle.
Only after being put back in the condo something strange, happened and I don't know if that is a good or a bad sign and if they should still be watched over night. He started riding her, she let him, then after a few seconds I broke it up. Other then that they still groom and lie beside each other, eat together etc. Does that mean that the dominant rabbit has not been 100 percent established??? And do I need to be concerned? I hope we haven't jumped for joy too soon!!
Thank you again. for everything. |
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Petzy 
Forum Leader Northern AB Canada
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| 04/02/2010 01:14 PM |
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A set of very humpy bunnies you have! Well, if the humping results in either bun taking off, it's fine. They will sort it out. Some people believe strongly that even altered rabbits mount each other more in the spring time. Observe them but don't separate unless there is real aggression; remember, though, that even a fur tuft getting ripped out during mounting is still acceptable. |
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"what happened?
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jerseygirl  Australia
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| 04/05/2010 12:16 AM |
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Gosh, that other story with the 2 mothers is something!! Wouldn't have expected that. I wonder sometimes if domestication plus these rabbits having less survival stress results in situations like that? Like, in the wild Does are particulary aggressive and competative when it comes to ensure their young survive. When they are in a home where they don't have to compete for shelter or food, I wonder if they accept each others litters more readily?... Anyway, going off topic a bit. Happy to hear your 2 have finally made up!  |
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TARM  VA
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| 04/07/2010 08:20 AM |
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Digger mounts Marshmallow all the time. And she just lets him. Which is strange because she seems to be dominant in everything...first to eat, first to get pets...but she lets him hump. It's funny too because she's bigger than he is...lol |
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