BINKYBUNNY FORUMS > DIET & CARE > Oh, Bindi Loo- Very sick this morning
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User is Offline LittlePuffyTail
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9/20/2012 1:17 AM

Bindi`s vet appointment was last night. It was very hard going back there so soon after Stormy. I`ve been there 4 times since Saturday and it will be 5 times before the week is out.

The vet is quite concerned about the big fluid blob that has formed in his armpit area. It`s from the Sub Q fluids that traveled down and, for some reason, didn`t dissolve. It`s not an abscess but it`s very inflamed and he`s having a hard time hopping. She said she`s never seen that before. Go figure. My animals love coming up with unique and unusual health problems. I was hoping she could drain it but she said she doesn`t want to disturb it for fear it will abscess. He`s on Baytril as a precaution, Metacam for the swelling on top of his motility drugs he still needs for several more days. My house has looked like a bunny hospital for the past month and, I guess, it will have to for some time to come.

With regards to his GI upset from the weekend, she wants me to try to get as much Critical Care in him as I can to up his fiber. I tried telling her it`s literally impossible to get CC in him, but she said I have to try. I`m not too worried though because this morning his poops were his normal `Bindi Loo cannonballs`.   Re-check Friday night. Really hoping his lump has gone down by then. I`m going away for the weekend and want to be able to relax and have a nice time. I need to de-stress.

His GI upset was most likely caused by his teeth. She could see two hooks on his bottom teeth but we need to make sure his belly is fine and wait till that lump clears up before going ahead with the dental. His last dental was April so it looks like it will need to be done a few times a year. Ugh.....so much stress every time. And it`s frustrating because his weight keeps yo-yo-ing which I`m assuming is due to his teeth. Right now, he`s too thin.

I really need Bindi to feel better and start being his cuddly, hilarious self.

I`m concerned he is going to get depressed without Stormy. They weren`t bonded but they spent several hours together in the living room every day. The last month or so, though, they pretty much just ignored each other. Bindi is also used to having Stormy`s condo right beside him. The lack of activity is probably strange to him.

 

 

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9/20/2012 2:20 AM
Just gave Bindi his meds and the lump looks super icky. Last night it looked like a ballon filled with jello. Today it looks, like a deflating balloon. It looks all wet and gross like it`s going to burst. I wish he would stop washing it. The vet shaved the area so it looks worse. Hopefully, the deflating look of it is the Metacam bringing the swelling down. Will have to keep a super close eye on it today.
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9/20/2012 5:05 AM
This is a difficult development for both you and Bindi. I am wondering if the vet is hoping it will burst naturally (or with Bindi's help) on its own, but I don't see how that is better than deflating it by draining it. Maybe a quick email to Dr. Dana Krempel to ask if she's seen this before would give you another perspective.

Not getting the teeth worked on is a hard delay, too, since it impacts his eating. I wouldn't add worrying about his grief for Stormy. It sounds like, in their own bunny way, they were both well aware of the health issues they were dealing with and did a bit of withdrawal before the event. I think Bindi is more concerned about what's bothering him at the moment. His routine is changing due to that anyway, so just keep giving him care and attention (even if you have to fight him to eat CC).

It's more your grief I am concerned with, so if you can possibly go this weekend, then go. My vet boards bunnies, and I wonder if taking him to your vet for the whole weekend so she can watch him and be on hand if anything happens with the blob is a viable option.
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9/20/2012 5:19 AM
Oh no, poor Bindi, that sounds terribly uncomfortable. Wonder how that could have happened...did the vet have any ideas about that? I hope you can get his teeth filed soon too. Vibes to Bindi.

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9/20/2012 5:37 AM
((Healing vibes to Bindi)). I hope that lump gets cleared up so he can get his teeth fixed and be a happy bun again. *Hugs*

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9/20/2012 9:02 AM
I wonder if the fluids were between layers of fat?

A vet I saw about a year or more ago with Jersey (stasis) said sometimes subQ fluid would move or pool down there but normally it would still be absorbed.
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9/20/2012 9:29 AM
((VIBES FOR BINDI LOO)) I really hope he feels better soon LPT.
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9/20/2012 10:14 AM
I hope that the fluid lump will dissolve and that Bindi will be completely well soon. It's good to hear that he is making big poops.

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9/20/2012 10:33 AM
Now it looks like a big, empty skin bubble. It's horrible looking. Hopefully, it will deflate by tomorrow. We have a vet apt. tomorrow evening anyways. This afternoon, he refused a piece of lettuce which concerns me. Hope we're not going to go through the not eating thing again. Man, that was stressful. Maybe his mouth is hurting him and he's being super selective. He hasn't eaten much hay today. I tried giving CC once and got maybe a mouthful in and the rest all over him.

I totally hate having to give him so many meds right now when he's just recovering from a sore tum. When am I gonna get a break? Seriously. I just want time to mourn Stormy and not be stressed out or worried about my other bunnies.
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9/20/2012 11:00 AM
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When it rains it pours. :'( I'm so sorry that Bindi is having such difficulties. I've never seen sub q fluids not absorb like that either albeit I've seen them take awhile. Poor Bindi and poor You!
So it's deflated now? Does it feel warm to the touch? Reddened? How's his basal body temp?
I'll keep you all in my prayers...you have been constantly in my thoughts. I hope he will improve so you can get away for a wee bit. Ricky will be watching him, yes?
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9/20/2012 2:26 PM
LPT I am so sorry that things are so tough. Bindi is so lucky to have such a loving mommy. Yall are in my prayers, sending healing vibes for all of you.
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9/20/2012 3:51 PM
I hear you critical care can be hard to give to rabbits. Sunshine didn't want to take hers. she would run away from me. One thing i did get sunshine to eat and the only thing for a couple of days was parsley. She would eat that like crazy. Prayers to you and your bun glad bindi is doing better!

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9/20/2012 4:13 PM
Heres to hoping Bindi starts feeling better and that your vet has some good news after the next appointment.

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9/21/2012 1:07 AM
Woke up this morning and BIndi won't eat anything. Not even carrot tops or apples. He didn't touch his hay last night. Yesterday and last night he barely drank any water. Not sure what's worse, but this morning that yucky thing on his side, looks just as bad as yesterday and it smells awful. Probably infected.

The most frustrating thing in the world is having a bunny that won't eat that is IMPOSSIBLE to give Critical Care to. He has completely mastered it. I can't get any in him at all. I really wish I could since he's not drinking either. Just made an apt. for 9:00 this morning. That's an hour away. It's not my rabbit vet but at least he can be seen and given fluids. I"m going to request they keep him at the vet for the day so he can be given Critical Care (hopefully, they will have better luck than me) and because I can't give Sub Q fluids without Ricky and he's at work. I'm terrified to give fluids now that he's got that lump that formed. I'm not sure if that's from our Sub Q's or the one's administered by the vet. My rabbit vet is in this afternoon so she'll be able to check him out when she gets there.

Wish us luck and healing vibes for Bindi and sanity vibes for me.
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9/21/2012 5:38 AM
So he's at the vet. The thing on his side has abscessed, of course. The vet is quite worried about it. The poor guy will have to wear a cone. They were gonna try to give him some CC, I said good luck with that. I can call in about an hour for an update.

Looks like it's gonna be a long, long weekend again. So much for my trip. I' m honestly about ready to give up. I feel like there is a curse on my life right now. Sorry to be so dramatic. I haven't even taken down Storm's stuff and now I'm facing losing Bindi.
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9/21/2012 6:07 AM
Oh LPT. I am so very sorry you are going through this. I am keeping you, Ricky, Bindi and Olivia in my thoughts. (((((MASSIVE VIBES)))))
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9/21/2012 6:10 AM
I'm so sorry for all your pain, LPT. It sounds horrible, especially after everything that has happened with Stormy. Many healing vibes for Bindi and yourself. You've been through a very, VERY tough time and he's so lucky to have such an awesome bunny momma that is putting his needs before her own! Just keep up the good work and everything you've been doing. It's difficult right now but when he's better everything will slow down in the bunny world and you two can mourn together... he'll definitely need your love after all this.

Your bun is extremely lucky to have you, don't get down on yourself. You're a wonderful person and sometimes things have to hit rock bottom before they can go up again. Just focus on YOU and your little bun and get through this. And then give yourself some MUCH needed relaxation. You definitely deserve it. Hang in there and know we are all here to talk to if you ever need -- to vent, cry, or anything!
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9/21/2012 6:29 AM
Sending all our ((((((((healing vibes)))))))) your way, try to hold together I am so sorry you have to go through this, I just pray you get through this quickly.
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9/21/2012 8:58 AM
I'm not so great with words like TL, CM or Bullrider but I agree with them. You are a strong bunny momma and the best he could ask for. We'll all be here if you need us. You are and have been in my thoughts. ((Vibes for Bindi)) *Hugs*

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9/21/2012 11:30 AM
I'm sorry that Bindi has stopped eating again and that he now has an abscess. I hope that the vet's treatments will get him on the road to recovery. You are not being dramatic, you are going through a very bad time. We all understand how much you love your bunny and how awful it is when they are ill. I'll be thinking of you both.

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9/21/2012 12:01 PM
I'm praying for you and Bindi, Steph. Hoping your vet can get that infection under control and get him eating again.
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9/21/2012 12:15 PM
Oh sweetie...I'm so sorry you are going through all this. (((Hugs))) (((Healing vibes for Bindi Loo))) He will be ok and pull through.
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9/21/2012 12:25 PM
Sending vibes to Bindi - I hope he is doing better. Hugs Steph.

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9/21/2012 1:00 PM
So things are even worse now. The vet thinks he may have EC on top of everything. This afternoon she noticed his eyes darting and a slight tilt to his head. I'm absolutely devastated. He has to stay at the vet's overnight. We just got back from visiting him and he looked so pitiful with a cone on and he's hooked to an IV. He was laying in my arms, looking terribly weak. It was so hard to leave him there but I know it's the best thing for him. I'm trying to stay strong for him. Honestly, I feel numb. I'm just in complete disbelief this is happening.

Vet did bloodwork, everything is good. She was worried about his kidneys if it is EC.

I don't know really anything about EC. What are his chances? Is it likely that if he recovers, he could have a permanent tilt?

I feel like the most unlucky person in the world. There are 2 bunnies missing in my bunny room. Poor Olivia, just looks so lost in there all alone.

Please keep Bindi in your prayers. I'll be hearing from the vet around 9:30 a.m. It's not my rabbit vet working tomorrow but she said she is personally going to go in to care for Bindi. I'm glad for that.
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9/21/2012 1:22 PM
Oh my goodness, Steph, I'm sorry to read this development. :'(
You are correct though, if it is E.C. then he is in the best place where they can get him eating and maintain his fluids and keep meds running through IVs regularly.
Yes, bunnies can live with e. Cuniculi. It is possibly what caused Mimzy's head tilt. It takes intensive nursing care but it can be controlled. It will depend on how Bindi responds to his treatment.
He should be on metacam for pain and swelling, panacur to eradicate the parasite and continue his baytril for now at least to keep secondary infection at bay.
Sadly loppies because of their ears can develop this parasite or inner ear infections that bring on head tilt. Sometimes the tilt resolves and sometimes it doesn't. The first two weeks that Mimzy was ill I wasn't sure he'd make it ...but he's still here and functional. It's been almost four months since he got sick.

I am all for aggressive treatment to tackle this parasite. Testing is liable to be inconclusive since he was already on baytril. But he's already on much of the therapy he will need to beat this.
Sorry if I sound scattered. Typing from my phone so it's hard to post correctly.

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9/21/2012 1:26 PM
It's frustrating, like you said there is really no tests that can be done to know for sure. Just like with Stormy.

He's still on the Baytril and Metacam, I believe. Not sure what the med is she is giving him for the possible EC. Will ask tomorrow. I'm hoping that whatever this is, we caught it early enough. I spend a lot of time with Bindi and have never noticed any neurological symptoms. He was already at the vet when they started.

The Dr. mentioned she was going to be aggressive in treating this. This is truly unbearable. Not sure how much my heart and stress level can take.
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9/21/2012 1:32 PM
One more thing...if it os head tilt and he should start rolling, meclazine (Dramamine) is sometimes helpful to keep their balance correct.
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9/21/2012 1:45 PM
Oh, poor Bindi. And poor you Sending vibes your way for a healthy bunny. *hugs*

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9/21/2012 3:38 PM
Good god LPT! That just leaves me speechless... You must be completly devistated. I wish I could send words of comfort, but I am sure you wont be comfotabke till he is back home and well. My wife and I send hugs and prayers your way, and as always we are here if you need anything... Bindi please get better soon!!!
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9/21/2012 3:40 PM
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Oh my gosh!! Well for the head tilt, it's really a quality of life thing. The problem with Chuck having tilt was that he was blind and deaf too. They almost always recover from tilt. The articles I read, said that they often recover even with no treatment. It's not often known what causes it. EC is thought to be an archaic explanation and it's often middle ear infection rather than a protozoan in the brain(EC)-so treating aggressively will mean lots of meds. Meclizine is a anti nauseant we used, maybe your vet will be able to find someone to make it should he actually have tilt. Its a cant hurt might help drug. The only real worry with tilt is some uncomfort and the inital rolling. You just make the area safe and do frequent checks, lots of meds, they usually don't make it to the litter box so lots of cleaning, but ultimately the usually recover completely or with slight tilt. There is also surgery for persistant-a teca bo, Mandy my parents dog had this, Chuck I was not going to put through it. It's a last resort and works. But often not indicated as antibiotics will do it.

I hope what I wrote is helpful, what I want to get across is head tilt is not life threatening, and Bindi is a trooper, so this is a stumbling block maybe and will stress you out, but otherwise you'll both get through it.

I wish I could pop over with my banana critical care for you, mine eat it off a plate. Do you have the regular flavor or the banana? It might be just worth a try mixing it up into a solid mush and presenting it on a plate?
Another option-maybe a bunny smoothie-pumpkin plus favorite fruit in a blender? Pumpkin has tons of fibre...could help maybe? He might take that off a plate for you?
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9/21/2012 4:35 PM
Being very inexperienced with rabbits thus far, I have no advice but I just wanted to stress again how many vibes are coming your way!!

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9/21/2012 6:09 PM
This is terrible, LPT. I feel for you so much and really hope things start looking up soon. You really are a phenomenal bunny parent. I'm not sure how I could even cope with what you're going through right now.

You and Bindi WILL get through it though -- keep your thoughts positive, he needs you to and YOU NEED yourself to to help you get through this really tough time. We all know you are strong and can do this though.

Continued healing vibes for you both! <3
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Prayers and vibes coming your way from everyone here at my house! it will all get better!
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9/21/2012 6:29 PM
Sending so many vibes your way, Stephanie. I know you're having an awful time, and I couldn't imagine having the amount of stress and heartache you're having right now. Bindi is definitely in my thought - I'm sending my veterinary student healing powers his way!!!!! Please keep us updated.

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9/22/2012 9:02 AM
How's he doing today? I've been following this thread for a couple of days, but haven't had much to add. I really feel for you, though - it must be terribly hard having two very ill bunnies at once, much less having to face the loss of one and the possible loss of another. You, Bindi and Olivia are definitely in my thoughts.
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LPT, I'm very worried about you and Bindi. Please, please get better, Bindi Loo! We all love you. (((Hugs and prayers and many, many healing vibes)))

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9/22/2012 10:56 AM
Hi, LPT. I don't know exactly when the site came back up again, so I'm checking in late.
I know you said Bindi was possibly coming home this evening. I hope he either does because he is in stable or better shape, or that they keep him overnight again with that goal in mind. I don't like the abscess and wish they would take care of that first if they can.

Try not to take it as a personal black cloud if you can avoid that kind of thinking, though I've been there many times and it's hard not to. It's much more likely that they are similar ages, or got a shared illness at some point, and Bindi is just vulnerable at the moment. It may be that he had something going on under the surface that is now getting treated, so this may be an awful ordeal for you that will result in having Bindi a much, much better bunny in the long run. Just try to do stress relieving and distracting things. Believe it or not, I can't worry a lot and read a book at the same time, so I try to get a fiction novel to read to hold my attention for a while. I usually have my mind wander, but the act of reading is calming and you sit quietly, which is physically relaxing. Try it?

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Hi LPT, I was just stopping by to see how bindi was doing. we are all still praying for yall.
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Hey, guys. I didn't read any of your replies yet. I'm exhausted and will read them all later tonight or in the morning. Just wanted to leave a quick update, I know you are all concerned (and I appreciate it).

We brought him home around supper time. He's super depressed and agitated because of the cone. My rabbit vet said that the lump on his side (which is incredibly icky looking right now) is not an abscess or infected. Guess the other vet was wrong. Still, that's the least of his problems right now. My vet is still very concerned about him. There looks to be a slight tilt but it's hard to tell with the cone on. I can't take it off except to give CC because he immediately tries to dig at the lump. The cone/lump is making this whole thing much, much more difficult.

I want to keep his spirits up. He needs to fight this. He will most likely need the cone for a week. Any tips appreciated. I CANNOT lose him too. Especially, so soon. My heart is just going to burst. I'm staying strong for him but I just want to go in a room and scream and cry. My heart is aching for Stormy too and I haven't really had time to properly grieve for him yet.

Vet said to keep a close eye on him. If he starts rolling to call her. If not, she wants to see him in a week. He's on febendazole (I think that's the name) for 30 day treatment and Baytril. I'm hoping we caught it early enough. He literally only started the symptoms while he was at the vet yesterday.

Please send vibes. We sure need them.
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Is he still on metacam? If E.C. is suspected or inner ear infection it's essential he have an antiinflammatory.
If the lump isn't abscessed or infected then I can't imagine....did she say what she thought it might be?
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9/22/2012 11:51 PM
Just catching up on this. Stephanie, just want to give you a big hug. I'm so sorry you're going thru all this.

The 30 days on fenbendazole (panacur) sounds right. Standard for suspected ec. I want to reiterate what MM said about ear infection being possible cause for tilt also. Especially with Bindi's history. Also his molars causing some complication?

Perhaps the lump was a sterile abscess just under the skin? These can self-resolve. Very good there's no infection evident. One blessing at least.

Is it possible to put the cone on reverse? So it's more like a cape, extending over the front leg area. That might settle him and he'll have his vision back more.

Sending some major ((({{{vibes}}}))) out for Bindi <3.
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9/23/2012 2:55 AM
 I Thanks, everyone.

K&K- Thanks for all that info. I really don't know anything about EC, head tilt etc, so any info greatly appreciated. If it was due to inner ear, what would the treatment be?
 

Mimz- Yes, he's on Metacam, Baytril and the fedendazole.

Jersey- I will try that with the cone. I had thought about it but it's a pretty big cone so not sure if it will work or not. Will let you know. 


She said it's just from the sub Q and that he must have been digging at it.

Woke up this a.m. to find him sitting on a big pancake of diarrhea. Not sure whether that's stress or the meds. I e-mailed the vet about it. He was having big, normal poos last night.

Took the cone off this morning to give him meds, there is a slight tilt and he's walking with a little wobble. The worst part right now is how miserable he is. He hates the cone. I feel like the stress of it is going to kill him.... or me. If I take it off, he immediately goes for the wound.

He's super cranky about taking the meds and CC. This whole situation is so much for us both. I have to give CC like every 2 hours. Wish I could just fast forward a week. Or even more, go back to the way things used to be. With a healthy Stormy and Bindi.

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9/23/2012 3:32 AM
Continued vibes to Bindi. I hope he gets better very soon.

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Could you trim the cone down and reverse it?

How about trying softened pellets mixed with something like pumpkin instead of CC? You can put a little water on pellets, zap it for 20 sec in microwave and they sort if fluff up. You can let it cool then give as or add pumpkin, baby fruit purée etc.
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9/23/2012 5:38 AM
If it was due to inner ear, what would the treatment be?

Antibiotics would be first step I would think. If baytril hasn't help with his ear infections in the past, I'd consider talking with vet about penicillin. Also, X-ray might reveal something.

Am I right in that you've had cultures done of his ears that gave no clue to what was present?
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I think all I can do at this point is send
{{{{{{{{{{{{Mega Healing Vibes, Bindi Loo}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}.

I think I missed what your bunny vet said the lump is, since it's not what was suggested earlier. And it still can't be drained in her opinion?

You must be so exhausted. {{{{{{{{{{{{{{Peace and rest to LPT}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
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9/23/2012 6:06 AM
you're in my thoughts LPT.

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We r sending hugs to you LPT, and ((((((((mega healing vibes)))))))) to Bindi. He is in all my prayers, and I am so sorry that you have to go through this. All I can say is thank god Bindi has such a strong mommy to be able to have the strenght to take care of him. I dont know if I could be that strong.
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9/23/2012 7:13 AM
I'm not strong. I just have no choice. I'm doing what I have to do but I'm super stressed and sad while I'm doing it. We have to take down Stormy's condo tonight. His cage is exactly how it was when he left it. It's gonna be hard. I haven't had proper time to grieve and it's very difficult.

Jersey- We've had many cultures done during his infections. One time a bacteria showed up and we cleared it up with the right meds. He hasn't had ear infections in a while. He's gone longer since the last one than he has in years.

Getting the CC in him 6 times a day is proving extremely difficult. The vet tech showed us a better way to do it but he's getting so mad at us. Digging and kicking.
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9/23/2012 7:44 AM
Stay strong, LPT!!!! I know this a difficult and depressing time, but think positive and healthy thoughts for your Bindi Loo. We all are sending so many vibes your way.

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9/23/2012 8:21 AM
Continued good vibes for you and Bindi. He is very lucky to have you for his Mom.

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9/23/2012 9:02 AM
I know you dont believe you are strong, but being able to do what has to be done inspite of the heartache you are going through shows your strenght. And I am still so sorry for your loss... **sending caring hugs** for you.
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9/23/2012 9:30 AM
lpt, i'm so sorry for all you're going through. when my rabbit was spayed they used like extra control pantyhose and cut front paw holes so she couldn't get at her stitches. is there anything like that you could do so you can remove the cone?

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9/23/2012 1:52 PM
So sorry LPT...I've been swamped with work since hubby returned from his uncle's funeral this week. I meant to check on this thread to see how Bindi is faring.
I know...this is a hard illness to get through for both of you. I wish I could take all the pain away that you are feeling right now...or stop time to give you the space you need to say the goodbyes still locked within you. :'(

Ironic that you took down Stormy's condo...I just took down Mimzy's night habitat last night also. It's been sitting in it's spot gathering dust for four months. It was incredibly hard to do because I fear I'll never get it clean enough for him to use again and since that was where he got sick I wish I could just afford to dump it. I never want to see him in a cage again.

It is possible Bindi's poos are a result of the panacur or, if they are smudged cecals, it is the cone or his tilt that is keeping him from cleaning himself properly and the influx of all these drugs is flipping his stomach flora upside down.
I did finally get some herbs from that store I mentioned...would you like to run their names by your vet to see if they might help?
I found that Mimzy ate fairly well despite being sick, but wasn't always big on CC or even mushy pellets. Do you still have those raspberry cupcakes from Bunspace? Try soaking those in about a tablespoon or two of warm water and see if he won't nibble those. Good fiber and the moisture helps if he's not drinking much.
Continue with benebac if you can.
Veggies were the staple of Mimzy's diet because he could no longer drink from his sippy bottle and bowls were an enigma to him. He was so disoriented I could flip him over and wash his bum each night (a good thing when he developed bad urine scald) and that's when I gave meds and a spearmint leaf for putting up with me. He baptized me quite a few times before I finally got wise and held him with puppy pad burritos and wore an apron to save my clothes. Even with the intense stress I could find those moments laughable.

Penicillin, if your vet chooses that, is an injection. I could never manage it because it always leaks back out and they can't lick it off because it's bad for them internally. Getting smaller extra needles to replace the ones they draw the doses with and gently warming the syringe for a few minutes before injection is supposed to help with administration.
I'll try to mail you tonite. Call on me if you need anything. Healing vibes and prayers of comfort for both you and Bindi. This is a tough time, but it will get better. Don't give up! (((((((((Hugs)))))))))

ETA: There may be a box from the BB store arriving soon if it hasn't already. I'm sorry it didn't get there in time to help Stormy. :'(
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9/24/2012 1:15 AM
The little bugger took off his cone sometime during the night. I'm sure he licked that spot like crazy but it doesn't seem too irritated. He seems a bit more tilted and tired this morning, which makes me sad. He did eat some breakfast, not much appetite though. One good thing is I did not notice any more eye tremors since he left the vets.

He's out right now without the cone and doesn't seem to be as obsessed with licking his "booboo". I guess he got most of it out of his system last night. He's gonna be a crank when I put the cone back on. I managed to rig up something similar to what you mentioned, Sleepy 538. I cut a hole in a sock, put his front leg through it, stretched it across the booboo and then vet wrapped the sock around his belly. It did the trick for his out-time last night.

The Diva is very unhappy that I'm spending so much time with Bindi. I feel bad but I have to take care of him so much during the day. My house remains a bunny hospital for now.

It's just so frustrating. The tilt/EC would be bad enough but the cone situation is making everything worse and making us both stressed out. Ugh.....too much all at once. I really need my happy, cuddly Bindi back. It hurts to see him so depressed. I'm so scared the tilt gets worse. Not sure what's making him so tired.

Mimz- What is Panacur? Is that another name for the Febendazole? Sure, let me know the names of the herbs and I'll check it out. Did you find Mimzy was tired/depressed when he started showing symptoms?

I can't get him to drink much, even without the cone. I bought him a big water bottle but he can't really find it with the cone on. Can't wait to get rid of that thing. I feel like a horrible monster putting it on him.

We're going back to the vet later this week for a re-check and I'm going to ask her if he can still get Benebac.

That totally reminds me; Ricky told me on Friday that a package had come. I was so busy and stressed that I forgot about it until now. Maybe that was the BB box!!! I will have to find where he stashed it. Thanks so much, Mimz.
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9/24/2012 2:31 AM
If the sock thing is working, do you really need to put the cone back on? Or could you take the cone off and put the sock on while he has free time or if you are around for a while to watch him? To give both of you a break.
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(((((((((MASSIVE VIEBES))))))))) Hang in there, Bindi and LPT!
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9/24/2012 2:41 AM

I can only do the sock/vetwrap thing while I'm watching him, because he will destroy it unsupervised.

 

 

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9/24/2012 9:22 AM
massive healing vibes to bindi!! everything will work out! youre in our thoughts and prayers!!
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9/24/2012 10:56 AM
*sigh* I'm so sorry you're going thru all of this. Was glad to read that there were some good poops happening even though the cone is such a struggle with the ec. Packing up Stormy's enclosure will be very very sad. I've had to do that a few times now. Ugh. I'm praying for sweet Bindi that at least the spot heals up soon so you have one less worry and can heal your heart a bit. Hugs to you LPT.
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9/24/2012 12:58 PM
That picture is actually adorable...it's going on my phone desktop right now so every time I look at it I can send extra prayers for Bindi. <3

How's he doing this evening, LPT?
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I agree with MM that it's really a sweet picture.
A few more {{{{{{{{{{Healing vibes}}}}}}}}}} to get you through the night.
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9/24/2012 1:21 PM
aww Bindi is so sweet looking like always!!! Still sending ((((((((Healing Vibes)))))))) to you!!!
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9/24/2012 1:29 PM
Just want to send my continued (((((vibes))))). Get better Bindi Loo so your mom can rest!

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9/24/2012 2:17 PM
I have no advice, seeing as I am new to having a bunny, but we all truly hope that Bindi is feeling better soon. I'm thinking about you guys and hope that things calm down for you soon so that you can relax and have time to properly deal with losing Stormy. Hugs and vibes to you and Bindi.

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9/24/2012 2:20 PM
I bet that cone is stressing him out, which can't be helping him any Poor little man.

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Aww Bindi. Sending lots of vibes. Poor dude those cones are terrible
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I'm going to try leaving the cone off for the day. His lump thing is now pretty hard and looks like a hard prune. It's pretty gross. The vet said that it would dry up like a scab and then fall off. So I think it's beyond the point that licking will hurt it. As long as he doesn't pick it off.

I took the cone off and gave him his cardboard house back (which he sleeps in) and he was so glad to have it back. I had to take it away so he wouldn't get stuck in there with the cone. He's in there sleeping right now. He ate almost all his veggies at breakfast. Can't wait till we can stop the CC. He's so difficult about it. I keep telling him he needs to be a good patient like his brother was. Stormy was so much more easy going with medical stuff.
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9/25/2012 1:13 AM
That all sounds very promising, LPT. I think he is clearly on the mend.
And we all know that a very sick bunny is cooperative, but the first sign of recovery is feistiness, so I think he is doing great being uncooperative.
Glad to hear he got a good sleep in his house. AND is eating his veggies. A return to normal food must be better for him, isn't it?

I didn't realize that the lump is going to dry and fall off. That will make you both feel so much better when it happens. Does he get a medicated salve to put on the area when it does fall off if it's still a bit raw or exposed underneath?

Go find your own favorite cardboard box, now, and crawl in for some much needed rest.
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9/25/2012 2:25 AM
Oh good! Been waiting for more positive signs. C'mon Bindi !
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9/25/2012 2:36 AM
He finished his veggies and ate some hay and pellets. Should I cut out the CC completely or keep giving it? He's at a pretty low weight right now. But giving the CC is frustrating and angering him. I'd love to just stop it now that he's eating.
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9/25/2012 2:43 AM
If he is eating on his own, I would stop the CC. Don't want to over fill his tummy, and he'll probably like the break

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YAY for some eating!!!! Hang in there Bindi!
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Glad he is eating! Hope he starts feeling better soon!
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Go BINDI!!!! stay strong!!!!! I would maybe cut back on the CC to make sure that he is eating enough to bring his weight back and pooping regularly.
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9/25/2012 4:24 AM
Yay Bindi! Keep it up!

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I'd be tempted to cut it down to once a day but not stop completely. Possibly pick a time of day when he is the most tired and least uncooperative (too sleepy to struggle much). Then give him a dose at that time. That way he gets more in his system to promote weight gain and has balanced nutrition.
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9/25/2012 7:03 AM
Continued Healing Vibes to BB!! I know absolutely nothing about his illnesses and how to help treat them -- but just wanted to give my love and hope you are both doing okay physically and mentally as quickly as you can be expected too!

Much love and healing vibes again to both of you!
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I'm very glad to hear that Bindi is eating all of his veggies and some hay and pellets too. Until he's back to his normal consumption of hay and pellets, it would probably be best to give him one or two feedings of CC a day.

I've only had to give CC once, but my bunny didn't like it and got very upset. He does not like to be handled at all and works himself up into a real state. After a few horrible sessions I came up with a different way to get some in him, by making it into little cookies, then baking them for a few minutes in my toaster oven. It's possible that the heat of the oven may have destroyed some of the nutrients, but I had a terrible struggle trying to get him to eat it the normal way, so I came up with the cookie idea, and I knew at least he was getting food in his system. I mixed the CC and water in equal parts so it had a thicker consistency than normal. I put little nickel sized portions on a baking tray, then after a few minutes, put them in the toaster oven. It's been a while and I don't remember the details. I only baked them for 5 or 10 minutes and I guess the oven was on 300 -350 degrees. I really should have written down exactly what I did. I let them cool and offered one to him. He wouldn't eat them at first, but did start eating them after a few tries. My other bunny, who did not need CC, enjoyed the CC cookie nonetheless.

I hope that Bindi keeps steadily improving!

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I'm sure that making cookies is fine. I got an instruction sheet that said to use less and less water to make them dry balls that are more like cookies anyway since some bunnies prefer it when they are getting better. Sounds like a good recipe.
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Oh Boy. Reading this is like going through everything I did with Rabbit Pie all over again. We all have one more thing in common - the sickening stress about a sick bunny that no other stress compares to. I'm feeling just that now. SO happy that Bindi Loo pulled through. How is he doing at this very moment?

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Thanks for your continued concern, guys. I have good news: Bindi is doing much better. He's really perked up the last few days. He's eating all his meals, begging for treats and pooping lots of big poops. For some reason, he doesn't feel like he needs to use the litter box but I'm just relieved the poos are plentiful.

The only thing is he does still seem somewhat wobbly. Last night, he stood up to reach for a piece of lettuce and fell over backwards. He was okay, just a bit confused. He's still pretty inactive but hopefully that will improve soon. I'm not noticing any tilt but it's kind of hard since he's so fluffy.

That cone was obviously stressing him horribly. As soon as I took it off (on Tuesday) he started perking up. The scab hasn't fallen off yet but he's not bothering it. We have a vet apt. tonight for a re-check.
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Would love an update on Bindi Loo this morning.
I think it's time for both of you to have some relief and rest. How are you both, + your hubby + Miss Olivia (who I know is feeling sad and neglected) doing today?
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9/27/2012 2:29 AM
I can remember one morning Mimzy trying to periscope to see me and then (and it all went in some weird kind of slow motion) he began to go over backwards and his upward eye just got this look like "Uh-oh" and then he softly plopped into the hay on the other side of his storage box/convalescence bed with his feet up in the air for a moment. It was almost like watching a cartoon rabbit.
He was unhurt but it sure scared me at first thinking he would hurt himself.

Words can't express how glad I am to hear that Bindi is improving. I am thrilled for you both!
Please let me know if there's anything I can do to help.
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I am sooo glad to hear that, we will continue to send prayers your way and continued healing vibes!!!
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9/27/2012 4:58 AM
*Binky!*
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yay! continued (((feel good vibes)))... and maybe some ((liter habit vibes)) too

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Very relieved to hear he's doing so much better. Hopefully he'll start using the litter box again before too long and become more steady on his feet. Hodari has e. cuniculi and, though it's been under control for seven months, she still is still wobbly when she tries to do "head binkies." The vet said it's common for that to happen, probably because there is some scarring on the brain, he said. While she was sick her litter box habits went downhill, I think because she had trouble getting in and out of the box when she was dizzy; then it just became a habit for her to pee on the floor beside the box, even after she regained most of her balance. Now she has two litter boxes side by side. It took several weeks for me to figure out how to get her to use a box again. Continued (((vibes))) to your sweet Bindi Loo.

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Yay!!! Continued vibes for Bindi but soooooo good to hear the good news with him!!! You both could really use some rest and a break. And I'm sure Miss Olivia would love to have her momma back. You've been through so much and I can't express what an inspiring person you are for staying on top of Bindi and giving him the care he needs after everything that happened with Stormy. You are a FANTASTIC bunny momma! <3
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I'm so glad to hear that Bindi is again eating and pooping well. I hope that the wobbliness will get better soon too.

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Yay for eating and poops!!!! *come on Bindi!!!!*
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It's so good to hear that Bindi is pooping more! Keep up the appetite! =]

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YAYYYYYY BINDI LOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! I am unbelievably happy to hear how much he is improving!

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I am doing some major catch-up here! I am so relieved to hear that Bindi is doing better I really can't imagine how you have dealt with this. My gosh, what a nightmare. I know you haven't even had time to really grieve before you had to fear the worst for another bunny. This really has been too much and I'm not sure how you did it. I know I would be just a mess and crying through it all. I am sorry you have had to go through all of this, and you STILL need time to grieve for Stormy. I am so glad that Bindi seems to be getting better. I have had two bunnies with e.cuniculi. Rucy never showed symptoms, while Bailey, never had head-tilt, but she has more balance issues due to her weakened back legs. Her legs weren't actually weak, but e.cuniculi was messing with the signals from her brain to her back legs. She did improve with meds, and actually with acupuncture and Bunny Physical therapy, if you can believe it. My vet gave me a small list of exercises to help keep her legs muscles flexible and strong.

Also - am I understanding it right that the sub-q fluids caused a strange lump to form - one that hardened and will scab off? WOW! Did the vet say how that happens? At first when you were describing it, I thought it might have been a fat pocket that may have been moved around bit by the fluids, (as Jack had fat pockets around one of his shoulders), but it never became hard, it was deep under his skin, not on it, so that was out of the question I know we had to use a new needle each time we did the subq fluid, but I always worried about an infection or some kind of abscess forming near the needle entrance, or traveling to some place particular. Just wondering how this happens.

I am just so sorry. You need a break from all of this pain and heart ache. My thoughts are with you and I am sending "relief" vibes! C'mon life! Give LPT a break please!

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9/28/2012 1:06 AM
Exactly, that's how I feel, BB. Give me a break, life!!! Stop heaping stuff onto the pile!!! Last week I totally felt cursed. 4 days after losing Stormy and I almost lost Bindi too. I haven't even gotten Stormy's ashes back but it seems like he's been gone for much longer since I've just been so busy and worried.

We had our vet visit last night. It went well. Bindi was super unimpressed but he even gained weight since last Friday so that's good. He's now off the Baytril and Metacam and will continue the Fenbendazole for 3 more weeks and then another re-check.

Last night he did more hopping around than he did all week and even hopped into the Cottontail Cottage. Wish he would start using the litter box again. He decided that most of his poos should go on his snoozy mat.

I just feel really relieved. Maybe I can enjoy my weekend and relax.

BB- the vet doesn't know how the fluid bubble happened. Often, when Bindi gets Sub Q, it's normal for a big, fluidy lump to appear near his shoulder but it's always fully absorbed in a day or two. It looks like it was one of those fluid lumps that just traveled down near his leg and didn't dissolve. I suspect he was digging at it which made it worse. When we took him to the vet last Friday, it looked so gross. Like a big, see-through skin bubble filled with fluid. It looks gross now, but at least it's dry and scabbed. I'm totally going to be scared to give him Sub Q again. Hopefully, he won't need it again for a very long time. ***knocking on wood***
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9/28/2012 2:41 AM
Good to hear his visit went well. I'm a little concerned that the metacam and baytril are stopped already...he really should be having those longer to ensure all infection is eradicated and no inner ear or intracranial swelling occurs. Mimzy had baytril for two months. He's actually been almost straightening his head the last week, btw.
I hope Bindi continues to improve. Poor bub (and his Mum) have been through enough already! (((((((((((((((((((((( Huge hugs)))))))))))))))))
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9/28/2012 2:59 AM
Continued vibes to Bindi. Glad he's getting better.

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9/28/2012 11:50 PM

Glad Bindi is doing better 

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9/29/2012 1:34 AM
Mimz- I'm actually continuing the Metacam every second day for about a week, so I didn't just stop it all together yet. Maybe my vet feels that he doesn't need Baytril anymore because it was such a mild case?

That's great news about Mimzy!!!! Very glad to hear it.
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9/29/2012 10:22 PM
Thanks LPT
Baytril is usually more effective when given in longer courses in my experience. Unless your vet has deemed it to be too risky for Bindi's stomach, but whenever Mimzy had URI's he'd get a 7-10 day course of baytril and just as we finished it he'd relapse and we'd have to start over with something stronger.
I'm glad you're continuing the metacam. As long as his kidneys are doing well he can really use it's anti-inflammatory properties.

Is he doing well eating and eliminating? There can sometimes be gut slowdown associated with this illness in which case you may get reglan for that. Mimzy is also still taking this twice a day since his output keeps fluctuating. He's also molting heavily right now...just what we need! >_<

Prayers still going for Bindi and Olivia. (((((((Hugs))))))) for you.
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9/30/2012 2:35 AM
Bindi is eating like a piggy and pooping like a rabbit!   He also started shedding. So did Olivia.

I'm not sure why she discontinued the Baytril. I might ask her about it. I hate to second guess her, though, since I have a good relationship with my vet. But I do want to make sure he gets 100% better.
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9/30/2012 2:44 AM
YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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9/30/2012 5:10 AM
BinkyBinkyBinky!!!!

Do you think he will shed off the scab?
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9/30/2012 5:56 AM
LPT -- I don't think it should hinder your relationship with your vet at all! In my experience with my vet, she likes when I ask questions like that. I think with a good vet it should show how much you care about your little guy! Any parent would do it with their child so it's just as acceptable with our bunny babies! And with all the trauma you've had with your buns lately, it would be more than understandable for you to question and be worried!
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9/30/2012 10:11 AM
YEAH!!! I am so excited to hear he's being a piggy Great news!
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9/30/2012 6:41 PM
Oh I'm glad to hear this!
I'd go ahead and ask your vet about the baytril. I echo the sentiments that she shouldn't mind the extra questions considering what you've been through.
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9/30/2012 6:54 PM
BTW...All mine are moulting now too...well they have been. It's tricky with Mimzy because he has a heck of a time grooming now.
He doesn't like the Hairbuster, sadly.
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10/01/2012 2:56 AM
An aside to MM. A poem, "Canaries" by Ogden Nash:

The songs of canaries
never varies.
And when they're molting
they're pretty revolting.


XOXO to Bindi Loo and Olivia
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